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Post by nonrabbit on Oct 12, 2011 8:01:17 GMT
[quote author=futureshock board=solo thread=1650 post=22392 time=1318378210 You're on to something. Let's call bands businesses. They all tend to follow the business model of 1) record, 2) tour to support that recording, 3) record next unit, 4) tour, 5) repeat cycle endlessly.
Lots of opportunities to market Tull in new ways, well beyond just adding some social media channels, such as how the music is designed in the first place; collaborating with other purposes and activities. Look at the range of music created over the years, how it can merge with so many different purposes. Tull is like one long documentary on its own, might as well explore the options possible and generate something new.[/quote]
Yes indeedy the scope is far reaching !!
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 12, 2011 18:08:17 GMT
You're on to something. Let's call bands businesses. They all tend to follow the business model of 1) record, 2) tour to support that recording, 3) record next unit, 4) tour, 5) repeat cycle endlessly. Lots of opportunities to market Tull in new ways, well beyond just adding some social media channels, such as how the music is designed in the first place; collaborating with other purposes and activities. Look at the range of music created over the years, how it can merge with so many different purposes. Tull is like one long documentary on its own, might as well explore the options possible and generate something new. Opinions will vary but I've always thought that IA should have his own record company, similar to Fairport's Woodworm enterprise. Call it Salamander Records for example and he could then release/promote the band without the hinderance of the big companies and also showcase/release material by likeminded artists. Judie Tzuke has gone down this road and releases her own albums and ones by other artsists on her Big Moon imprint.
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Post by nonrabbit on Oct 13, 2011 7:21:09 GMT
You're on to something. Let's call bands businesses. They all tend to follow the business model of 1) record, 2) tour to support that recording, 3) record next unit, 4) tour, 5) repeat cycle endlessly. Lots of opportunities to market Tull in new ways, well beyond just adding some social media channels, such as how the music is designed in the first place; collaborating with other purposes and activities. Look at the range of music created over the years, how it can merge with so many different purposes. Tull is like one long documentary on its own, might as well explore the options possible and generate something new. Opinions will vary but I've always thought that IA should have his own record company, similar to Fairport's Woodworm enterprise. Call it Salamander Records for example and he could then release/promote the band without the hinderance of the big companies and also showcase/release material by likeminded artists. Judie Tzuke has gone down this road and releases her own albums and ones by other artsists on her Big Moon imprint. Sounds like a good idea although I know squish about it. Wonder if he ever considered it?
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 13, 2011 7:48:00 GMT
Opinions will vary but I've always thought that IA should have his own record company, similar to Fairport's Woodworm enterprise. Call it Salamander Records for example and he could then release/promote the band without the hinderance of the big companies and also showcase/release material by likeminded artists. Judie Tzuke has gone down this road and releases her own albums and ones by other artsists on her Big Moon imprint. Sounds like a good idea although I know squish about it. Wonder if he ever considered it? Maybe the experiences of Martin Barre with XYZ records put him off the idea. I still think it makes sense though in the long run and the "old guard" from Chrysalis would make good business consultants.
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 17, 2011 10:33:23 GMT
Promo video for The Meeting Tour with Martin Barre & Pat O'May
Credit: patomay1
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Post by nonrabbit on Oct 17, 2011 11:38:09 GMT
Promo video for The Meeting Tour with Martin Barre & Pat O'May Credit: patomay1I dunno I'll reserve proper judgement till later but so far so spinal tappish??
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Post by snaffler on Oct 17, 2011 18:01:20 GMT
couldnt agree more nonrabbito! excalibur is buttock clenchingly naff. at least when the old boy did this kind of stuff he gave a wink and sent himself up at the same time. i love martin b as a guitar player, he has a unique signature and has become more of a virtuoso as the years have passed. but as david palmer once said, IA is jethro tull and jethro tull is IA.
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Post by steelmonkey on Oct 17, 2011 18:14:56 GMT
With all due respect to Martin Barre...if it looks like spinal tap and sounds like spinal tap and smells like spinal tap and feels like spinal tap....well....Tull fans are a bright bunch...you do the rest....in otherwords....we are so quick to criticize Ian for his meanderings off what we believe to be the correct tried and true Tull path...and at the same time we are willing to extend Martin carte blanche ( that's french for 'whatever the f**k') when he treads the non Tull stage. I myself would attend any concert either Ian or Martin schedule in my time zone...at least once....but from the teaser above, I'm afraid' buttock clenchingly naff' may be all too true.
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Post by nonrabbit on Oct 18, 2011 9:52:43 GMT
couldnt agree more nonrabbito! excalibur is buttock clenchingly naff. at least when the old boy did this kind of stuff he gave a wink and sent himself up at the same time. i love martin b as a guitar player, he has a unique signature and has become more of a virtuoso as the years have passed. but as david palmer once said, IA is jethro tull and jethro tull is IA. couldn't agree more Snaffler especially about Ian and his giving the impression of not taking it too seriously onstage, that in itself probably goes a long way in keeping him where he is after 40 odd years and not disappearing down the museum of grandiose prog rockers. I suppose and apart from Martin's god like guitar playing it must be tricky to go down the solo route but would personally have preferred if he had collaborated with someone else and I don't suggest a Folkie either
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Post by hipflaskandy on Oct 18, 2011 18:09:27 GMT
would personally have preferred if he had collaborated with someone else and I don't suggest a Folkie either and what's wrong wi' collaboratin' wi' a Folkie? 'Man, that's my instrument - I was so ashamed' (not a serious reply! - and d' y' ken where m' quote is from?)
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Post by nonrabbit on Oct 18, 2011 19:12:48 GMT
would personally have preferred if he had collaborated with someone else and I don't suggest a Folkie either and what's wrong wi' collaboratin' wi' a Folkie?
...Ma Grannie always warned me never - they'll hum ye a tune then lead you on
'Man, that's my instrument - I was so ashamed'
(not a serious reply! - and d' y' ken where m' quote is from?)
Billy Connolly and his banjo? seriously my last post came out wrong I sounded like a right moanin old cow and that's just not true I mean't that amongst Barre's choices he didn't neccessarily have to down the Folk route nothing wrong with the Folk route in fact some of my.............................................................
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Post by hawkmoth on Oct 18, 2011 19:31:30 GMT
Cant say ive heard of this Pat O'shea guy. I thought Mart was gonna get his OWN band with maybe a good Vocalist on board.
Would still watch/enjoy The Excalibur stuff (Dave Pegg was part of this as well) ,dont think its ALL gonna revolve round that for 1 minute.
So hes still wearing his Broadsword uniform means nowt,Ian still wears his underpants on his head,means nowt.
Still gonna swerve TAAB 2012 dissapointment in bundles for me. No progress at all for Tull AGAIN 2012
Marts the best shot for something FRESH even if it has tinges of Spinal Tap.
"And there was my Guitar Electric Junk"
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Post by hipflaskandy on Oct 25, 2011 11:17:27 GMT
Me - 'Man, that's my instrument - I was so ashamed' (not a serious reply! - and d' y' ken where m' quote is from?) Non-rabbit - Billy Connolly and his banjo? M again... Billy? Naw! It's a line from a well-known rockin' song from way back. Come on you lot - name that tune!
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 25, 2011 17:31:34 GMT
Me - 'Man, that's my instrument - I was so ashamed' (not a serious reply! - and d' y' ken where m' quote is from?) Non-rabbit - Billy Connolly and his banjo? M again... Billy? Naw! It's a line from a well-known rockin' song from way back. Come on you lot - name that tune! All The Way From Memphis
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 7, 2011 12:47:37 GMT
credit: romromdom
credit: reimmos
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Post by hipflaskandy on Nov 7, 2011 14:24:15 GMT
Me - 'Man, that's my instrument - I was so ashamed' Come on you lot - name that tune! All The Way From Memphis I knew you'd be the one MDF! Congrats!
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Post by nonrabbit on Nov 17, 2011 8:17:51 GMT
HAPPY 65TH BIRTHDAY MARTINi41.images obliterated by tinypic/15zio3n.jpg[/IMG] Many Happy Returns on this your 65th Birthday. All the Best and have a Good Un What bottle to give i41.images obliterated by tinypic/16kzvc3.jpg[/IMG] Ah Jim Dunlop Formula 65 Guitar Polish and Cream Cheers nonrabbit
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 17, 2011 8:53:51 GMT
Many happy returns of the day Mr. Barre.
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Post by nonrabbit on Nov 21, 2011 18:46:09 GMT
Found this via Twitter and just hot off the press from Classic Rock Revisited - the online classic rock/metal site. New Q&A with Martin; www.classicrockrevisited.com/interviewmartinbarre2011.htm" ....Martin met with Classic Rock Revisited to discuss the making of the album. He revealed the difficulty the band had recording the album and the creative process behind the songs. During the interview, however, Barre shocked us by revealing that there are no plans for anymore Jethro Tull albums or tours at this time. When asked if the band was no more Barre could only say, “I don’t know.”
While the future of Jethro Tull with both Ian Anderson and Martin Barre in the band is up in the air, Barre is not staying at home and watching morning talk shows. He has assembled a band to tour Europe and play his solo music. He is also working on a worldwide tour with another band he is putting together that will play only Jethro Tull music. Barre promises that many of the songs performed will be tunes that have not been performed by Tull in many, many years. Ian Anderson has announced he will also do a solo tour performing the classic Thick as a Brick in its entirety.
While the future of Tull may be up in the air, the past is firmly cemented in solid bedrock. Read on to learn about the classic Aqualung and learn where the guitarist is headed in 2012...." www.classicrockrevisited.com/interviewmartinbarre2011.htmSome very illuminating answers from Martin- I've only read it quickly - bound to cause debate
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Post by snaffler on Nov 21, 2011 20:10:21 GMT
wow hot stuff! sounds as though there has been a major disagreement about what they both want to play. martin wants to get back to the fundamentals of the tull early seventies sound while ian wants to sing less and play more (an admission at last that his voice is shot?). i feel that eventually the two will reunite but it might by years if ever we seem both live together again. on the more positive side i think ill def go and see martins band, just as long as theres not too much excalibur stuff!!!
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Post by snaffler on Nov 21, 2011 20:15:13 GMT
martin says he cant mention who will be in the band........what if cornick, bunker or barlow are up for it?!!!!!!!!! this would be very interesting.....
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Post by onewhiteduck on Nov 21, 2011 20:19:02 GMT
Martin sounds well pissed off ......... Martin, Clive Bunker, Jon Noyce, Andy Giddins and Paul Forest .......... I,ll get me coat .....................
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Post by nonrabbit on Nov 21, 2011 22:21:22 GMT
One theory is that it's not a break more a twist.
Martin is going to do a solo tour;
"..The idea is to do a compilation of acoustic versions of Tull songs. I would like to do some of the very melodic, acoustic songs from Tull that rarely get noticed. I am writing new music with my solo band and it will be part of it as well. I would like to include a compilation from my first solo album and include some tracks that got buried when they were first released. I am working on a book and I would love to make an album and give it away as a freebie with it...."
So maybe draw in some of the Tull fans that may have dithered in going to see Martin as a solo act with some lesser played Tull songs. Probably not Paul Forrest as singer as that may make it too tributey (?)
Jeb: Don’t feel too badly Martin, a lot of people think Jethro Tull is the guy onstage
"Martin: They really do. The image for Jethro Tull really is the guy on one leg. The silhouette is the image and it is a very good image. It has never been a problem in my mind because that image is vital to promoting the band.
I think Martin is promoting his solo tour and his continuaton as Tull - keeping the whole Tull machine going not in the same format that it has been for the last few years (and possibly just as a break) Isn't that partly what we've all been wanting? The old songs - a possible guest appearance of some of the veterans - the new Ian material - the anniversaries and possibly a reunion of the band in a couple of years.
It's all marketing and promotion with even a bit of the X Factor hysterics thrown in.
"IS the band no more Martin?"
" I don't know"
We'll see!
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Post by onewhiteduck on Nov 21, 2011 22:48:29 GMT
Point Taken. We've had an acoustic tour,older songs, anniversaries, reunions, special guests and f*****g cover versions over the past five or six years. Cant see to many getting caught by the 'Tull reunion' in 2013. Maybe just maybe its all over and I for one having spent a fortune on gigs, t shirts, albums,cd's,vhs,dvd,s, and even a kimono ( BATB 82 ) would do it all again - some of the greatest music and live shows bar none. Long live Tull.
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Post by zendad on Nov 21, 2011 23:37:22 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Martins new band play live, sounds great !! My guess for the line-up? Martin/Peggy/Barrie Barlow or Clive Bunker, not sure who the flute guy is, or the vocalist, but it might be Chris Thompson from Manfred Mann' Earth Band, as he performed on the Excalibur tour. Should be good though. I've got a ticket for Ian's tour too. We live in interesting times:)
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Post by vanini on Nov 21, 2011 23:50:23 GMT
What probably put MB off playing TAAB next year was the thought of playing all the usual overplayed stuff in the second set! Please Martin don't play Aqualung, Bouree, Locomotive Breath, Budapest, A New Day, Nothing is Easy, My Sunday Feeling well actually anything off This Was, Stand Up, or Aqualung which I'd be happy never to hear in concert again! With so much wonderful material available.......Past time with Good Company, Bach, America etc. doesn't cut it. If he gets a good tight band together those of us who don't go to IA/Tull concerts anymore due to the repetitive set lists would be there like a shot as it will be our only opportunity to hear some of the great songs that IA will never play live. I think IA has just been "milking the money cow" for several years, long term fans have been short changed by churning out the same old stuff. Can't wait Martin, turn it up to eleven and then pick up the electric guitar!
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 22, 2011 6:42:07 GMT
I would go as far and pay as much to attend a Martin Barre concert, even if his band are unknowns, as I would for Ian Anderson solo or this decade's version of Jethro Tull. It doesn't sound like an out and out split with Ian nor the end of concerts billed as Tull...with Martin stage left....it's too bad if there is antagonism or hard feelings between Ian and Martin....I'd prefer to think this is just a bend in the unique Tull road...as were the many line-up, not to mention, style changes over the years. In a perfect universe, Tull would continue to tour and the back catalog, in a voice-saving instrumental manner would indeed take the place of endless repeats of Aqualung, Stand Up and other overplayed war horses....but even as i write these words, i remember how it feels to hear the opening notes of Budapest or My God and be glad to be exactly where I am that night. No matter, however it comes out with martin: Tull alum, unknowns and a bit of alum participation here and there or Martin with an acoustic guitar, I'm glad that it looks like the next year or two will have plenty of Tull....old, new and maybe borrowed and blue....just right for my lifetime vows with Tull.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 22, 2011 9:11:06 GMT
Martin sounds well pissed off ......... Martin, Clive Bunker, Jon Noyce, Andy Giddins and Paul Forest .......... I,ll get me coat ..................... I would think that Jon Noyce is probably in the lineup. Doesn't sound like he was too happy playing with Pat O'May (or was it Joe Bonamassa ?) or maybe that's just my way of reading between the lines of the article. I suppose that, as in life in general, you sometimes need to take a break, recharge the batteries, and do your own thing. I still think that both IA & MB will be back on stage together in 2013. But if it is the end, thanks guys for the music - it's been a great journey and I'm glad to have been along for the ride.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 22, 2011 9:30:33 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Martins new band play live, sounds great !! My guess for the line-up? Martin/Peggy/Barrie Barlow or Clive Bunker, not sure who the flute guy is, or the vocalist, but it might be Chris Thompson from Manfred Mann' Earth Band, as he performed on the Excalibur tour. Should be good though. I've got a ticket for Ian's tour too. We live in interesting times:) Well if it is Chris Thompson then it will enable Martin to play the flute a lot more. Just seen this on MB's site: #9 Nov 2011 NEWS LETTER 2011 I have just returned from Brittany having played 4 shows with Pat O'May my guitarist friend from Excalibur.
We spent 4 days rehersing a combination of his and my music.
Fred Moreau was on drums and Hilaire Rama on bass.
The shows were all well attended and totally successful, the reaction from the audience was very inspiring, such that we will return to France for more shows as soon as possible.
In the meantime I will look at playing dates in the UK for early next year with Pat.
My instrumentals and songs were elevated to new hights by the addition of Pat's superb guitar playing and singing and the Tull songs we played sounded so much better with two guitar parts, as they were on the original recordings!
I have some early news of Excalibur shows in Europe for July and will post them on the web as soon as I can confirm them.
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Post by nonrabbit on Nov 22, 2011 15:56:15 GMT
[ ...But if it is the end, thanks guys for the music - it's been a great journey and I'm glad to have been along for the ride. Indeed Let's not forget that even if they throw the towel in in a couple of years and who could blame them! they will no doubt have some other ideas up their individual respective sleeves. Musicians never give up completely. On another note when the time comes and there's no more shows there will always be a place-even more so-for forum/s and all the Tull websites out there. The chance for some person hearing a Tull song for the first time and wanting to know more than just the basics about the band. The opportunity to see Tull in video/pics/memorabilia all in the one place and not forgetting all the stories from the old concert/ beaten veterans who live there!
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