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Post by nonrabbit on May 13, 2009 20:09:08 GMT
Question for those of you playing along at home. Do you feel Ian has an obligation to perform to a certain standard? Or is it simply "this is what we do now, if you don't like it, don't come back. But don't be asking for any refunds." I'm not sure on first reading if this is one question or two. I think he has an obligation to the 'organisation' called Jethro Tull to himself and to his fans. In what order I really have no idea I haven't thought too closely to that question - but I will ! He must take his art very seriously to play as for as long as he has and despite there being no new songs - YET - an indicator for some people as an obligation to his fans - I don't think he could be called introversial. It's always worth pointing out how much he seems to encourage young/new musicans as in Flutewise/ Saori Jo.
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Post by bluehare on May 13, 2009 22:24:06 GMT
Question for those of you playing along at home. Do you feel Ian has an obligation to perform to a certain standard? Or is it simply "this is what we do now, if you don't like it, don't come back. But don't be asking for any refunds." Sitting here in the middle of the day with neither wine nor ale to help me muse over my response, I will try to answer these questions anyway. 1. Ian...obliged to whom? Since I can only speak for myself, then the answer is, "no". Ian "owes" me nothing. He doesn't even know me! Maybe on second thought there would be one situation under which he WOULD owe me...and actually, I'm not sure WHO would owe me, him or management... Let's say I paid to see him as a solo act, or Tull "in concert". And I showed up thinking I was going to see him or the band playing music but instead they're playing poker onstage, or having an arm wrestling man-off. Or a tribute band was there in place of them. Then, yes. I would feel like I didn't get what I paid for. I might want my money back. I might not, as the man-off is right up there with the sweat embossed veins.... But I could maybe want my money back.... 2. Yes. It's really just that simple.
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Post by TM on May 14, 2009 1:56:49 GMT
Question for those of you playing along at home. Do you feel Ian has an obligation to perform to a certain standard? Or is it simply "this is what we do now, if you don't like it, don't come back. But don't be asking for any refunds." I'm not sure on first reading if this is one question or two. I think he has an obligation to the 'organisation' called Jethro Tull to himself and to his fans. In what order I really have no idea I haven't thought too closely to that question - but I will ! He must take his art very seriously to play as for as long as he has and despite there being no new songs - YET - an indicator for some people as an obligation to his fans - I don't think he could be called introversial. It's always worth pointing out how much he seems to encourage young/new musicans as in Flutewise/ Saori Jo. Interesting that you bring up the young musician thing. It's great that Ian wants to help these folks, but on the other hand his audience is not necessarily there to hear Jethro Tull play along with Joe Blow.
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Post by nonrabbit on May 14, 2009 7:02:26 GMT
As far as shows are concerned I suppose it only down to a few choices;
same material with or without guests - either ex members or new talent.
rearranged material with or without guests
new material (Loco / Lung at end?) with or without guests
Who chooses?
They do because I've never heard of any band asking the fans or doing a poll as to what the format of a new tour should be.
Should the fans have some sort of input as to what they pay to hear?
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Post by TM on May 14, 2009 14:07:43 GMT
As far as shows are concerned I suppose it only down to a few choices; same material with or without guests - either ex members or new talent. rearranged material with or without guests new material (Loco / Lung at end?) with or without guests Who chooses? They do because I've never heard of any band asking the fans or doing a poll as to what the format of a new tour should be. Should the fans have some sort of input as to what they pay to hear? Funny that you should ask! I guess you don't recall the SLOB promotion back in 2000? Well, that is where this bitterness all started.... "PICK THE SONGS FOR THE SUMMER TOUR" was the headline if memory serves. Fans could simply click on their favorite SLOB tracks and supposedly Ian was going to perform the favorites on the upcoming tour. "Great! A whole new tour featuring the best songs off Ian's new masterpiece!" In anticipation I went out and booked 3 different shows in 3 different states to soak it all in. Too bad the reality was that the whole thing was simply just another one of Ian's "marketing stunts." Ian ignored the voting all together and threw together another best-of tour with a sprinkling of the least favorite SLOB tracks thrown in. Of the three SLOB tracks played, Boris Dancing, had already been played the previous tour. The other two tracks were Water Carrier and Habanero Reel. The arrangement of Water Carrier is basically like listening to Fat Man so in essence we were treated to one "new" song that tour. That tour pretty much cemented the fact that Tull had indeed become an "oldies" act. But in hindsight perhaps it was that vote that did it. With only 70 or 80 thousand responses, maybe Ian realized that his new material simply did not generate enough interest. Who knows...
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Post by TM on May 14, 2009 14:08:39 GMT
Question for those of you playing along at home. Do you feel Ian has an obligation to perform to a certain standard? Or is it simply "this is what we do now, if you don't like it, don't come back. But don't be asking for any refunds." Sitting here in the middle of the day with neither wine nor ale to help me muse over my response, I will try to answer these questions anyway. 1. Ian...obliged to whom? Since I can only speak for myself, then the answer is, "no". Ian "owes" me nothing. He doesn't even know me! Maybe on second thought there would be one situation under which he WOULD owe me...and actually, I'm not sure WHO would owe me, him or management... Let's say I paid to see him as a solo act, or Tull "in concert". And I showed up thinking I was going to see him or the band playing music but instead they're playing poker onstage, or having an arm wrestling man-off. Or a tribute band was there in place of them. Then, yes. I would feel like I didn't get what I paid for. I might want my money back. I might not, as the man-off is right up there with the sweat embossed veins.... But I could maybe want my money back.... 2. Yes. It's really just that simple. I have a feeling that Ian could get up on stage a take a nap and you'd be happy.
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Post by bluehare on May 14, 2009 15:47:17 GMT
No.....I know I come off sounding facetious or flippant sometimes. Mainly because it beats erring on the side of perpetuating an argument. I know fans of the Pogues who said they'd had enough of Shane MacGowan rolling all over a stage covered in his own vomit, barely aware of where he was. Don't know if they ever completely gave up on him. I do have my own lines that I draw. Shane MacGowan would have definitely seen the last of my money. If I PAID to see Ian taking a nap, then I would be getting what I paid for. It does bother me to watch him strain and struggle. I also wish he would perform in a way that suits him now. I don't get irritated by him, I feel for him. But as I have said so many times....I came to the party very late. I only have so much time to see this brilliant artist - and this band - before he packs away the flute and all we have left is the memories. If this is what I get.....as LONG as the musicianship is there, I'll go. I didn't see them at their peak. I didn't take part in a poll that could have left a bad taste in my mouth. I see why you are embittered by that, but how could I be? I can only base my opinion on a collection of CD's, YouTube (and assorted other) archives, and a handful of concert performances I've attended in the past 10 years. If my position seems a bit rose-coloured, it's because I haven't been on a crazy 40 - or even 20 - year ride with this band. I haven't seen the bad press or questionable concert antics mixed in with the good. He'd already given up all the costumes for the big boy black pants by the time I came along. Having said that, there are people who HAVE been on that ride, and they seem to have an opinion of Ian and the band similar to my own. So what it will always boil down to is that everyone has their own expectations of what makes a good performance and what doesn't. Even on this site none of us will agree with one other 100 % of the time. It would be unrealistic to expect us to all be that way. So then...knowing what we know about the current Ian, the current band, the most likely tunes that will be played on the upcoming tour (which have been played in every show I've ever seen of them or him), each of us has to decide for ourselves if we will still pay to go watch. And I will. But if he naps, he'll be in trouble with me. Their days are numbered, TM. There are more years behind them than ahead of them. As long as they play music I want to hear, I will pay my hard earned money to hear them play it.
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Post by ash on May 14, 2009 16:57:09 GMT
If my position seems a bit rose-coloured, it's because I haven't been on a crazy 40 - or even 20 - year ride with this band. I haven't seen the bad press or questionable concert antics mixed in with the good. He'd already given up all the costumes for the big boy black pants by the time I came along. Having said that, there are people who HAVE been on that ride, and they seem to have an opinion of Ian and the band similar to my own. Their days are numbered, TM. There are more years behind them than ahead of them. As long as they play music I want to hear, I will pay my hard earned money to hear them play it. Well I'm one of those that's been on the crazy 40 year ride and have to agree with your every word. There is no point living in the past I pay my money and go to see Tull and enjoy them for what they are and what they were. I think as fans we are very lucky they are still playing
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Post by nonrabbit on May 14, 2009 21:39:32 GMT
No.....I know I come off sounding facetious or flippant sometimes. Mainly because it beats erring on the side of perpetuating an argument. I know fans of the Pogues who said they'd had enough of Shane MacGowan rolling all over a stage covered in his own vomit, barely aware of where he was. Don't know if they ever completely gave up on him. I do have my own lines that I draw. Shane MacGowan would have definitely seen the last of my money. If I PAID to see Ian taking a nap, then I would be getting what I paid for. It does bother me to watch him strain and struggle. I also wish he would perform in a way that suits him now. I don't get irritated by him, I feel for him. But as I have said so many times....I came to the party very late. I only have so much time to see this brilliant artist - and this band - before he packs away the flute and all we have left is the memories. If this is what I get.....as LONG as the musicianship is there, I'll go. I didn't see them at their peak. I didn't take part in a poll that could have left a bad taste in my mouth. I see why you are embittered by that, but how could I be? I can only base my opinion on a collection of CD's, YouTube (and assorted other) archives, and a handful of concert performances I've attended in the past 10 years. If my position seems a bit rose-coloured, it's because I haven't been on a crazy 40 - or even 20 - year ride with this band. I haven't seen the bad press or questionable concert antics mixed in with the good. He'd already given up all the costumes for the big boy black pants by the time I came along. Having said that, there are people who HAVE been on that ride, and they seem to have an opinion of Ian and the band similar to my own. So what it will always boil down to is that everyone has their own expectations of what makes a good performance and what doesn't. Even on this site none of us will agree with one other 100 % of the time. It would be unrealistic to expect us to all be that way. So then...knowing what we know about the current Ian, the current band, the most likely tunes that will be played on the upcoming tour (which have been played in every show I've ever seen of them or him), each of us has to decide for ourselves if we will still pay to go watch. And I will. But if he naps, he'll be in trouble with me. Their days are numbered, TM. There are more years behind them than ahead of them. As long as they play music I want to hear, I will pay my hard earned money to hear them play it. ;D ;D Love both the question and you're answer Bluehare
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Post by nonrabbit on May 14, 2009 22:10:46 GMT
I guess you don't recall the SLOB promotion back in 2000? Well, that is where this bitterness all started.... No and I'll tell you why - I'll keep it brief I am a resurrected Tull fan or in my 'second coming' if you like. I hung onto their every song from about 1971 and seen them live in the early days. I loved music in the late 60's and 70's - loved to find obscure albums and would sit around a room discussing every note /word with the best of them ! hate to say this now without sounding sexist but then it was a blokey thing to do ie dissecting why Gilmour played that particular chord etc etc etc Then I stopped listening to the music I liked for some weird reason probably cause I was married to a musician (who didn't get Tull!) and had amps in every room playing his music. Then came middle age and by God I might not be wearing the size 8 levi jeans anymore however the music more than compensates it's even more sharper/ fresher /sparkly clean ;D than it ever was!! In conclusion I have had a gap few years/ would even go as far to recommend it for the jaded ear (I don' t really believe anyone who posts here or who looks here is really jaded at all ) and No! I didn't know about the poll for SLOB and was there ever an explanation as to why they didn't use the songs requested? As Bluehare and Ash so elequently put it - I'm so glad Tull hung around and are still here to come back too.
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Post by tommie on May 15, 2009 0:28:29 GMT
TM, I luv you, Dude! Ever you posted a while ago about the Nov, 2007 Tull show at NJPAC which was a hideous, revolting, embarrassing show ( I was there ,too). The only Tull show I left early..before even the 2nd half! But Ian's crap has been going on for soooo long. I just appreciate your honest, realistic take on all this. I feel less alone here. BTW, are you from the NYC area? We're in the Bronx. Caio! You know music.
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Post by fatman on May 15, 2009 2:51:41 GMT
TM, I luv you, Dude! Ever you posted a while ago about the Nov, 2007 Tull show at NJPAC which was a hideous, revolting, embarrassing show ( I was there ,too). The only Tull show I left early..before even the 2nd half! But Ian's crap has been going on for soooo long. I just appreciate your honest, realistic take on all this. I feel less alone here. BTW, are you from the NYC area? We're in the Bronx. Caio! You know music. Hideous and revolting, indeed. Actually, Tommie, that was me who posted about how horrible that November 2007 NJPAC show was. (I don't think TM was even there, and he lives in New Jersey.) That was no doubt the worst Tull show I had ever attended. It was literally 80% instrumental, and the little singing that there was could only be described as croaking. I brought friends with me and was embarassed at how bad it was. Usually I like to hit two shows but that one was so bad I could not bring myself to spend $80.00 on the Hammerstein Ballroom show the next week, which was sold out, but I would have gotten tickets had I wanted to. For the first time, I very nearly wrote Tull off but I decided to go to one show for the 40th anniversary the following summer, which was a much better show. Jeff
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Post by fatman on May 15, 2009 3:00:34 GMT
As far as shows are concerned I suppose it only down to a few choices; same material with or without guests - either ex members or new talent. rearranged material with or without guests new material (Loco / Lung at end?) with or without guests Who chooses? They do because I've never heard of any band asking the fans or doing a poll as to what the format of a new tour should be. Should the fans have some sort of input as to what they pay to hear? Funny that you should ask! I guess you don't recall the SLOB promotion back in 2000? Well, that is where this bitterness all started.... "PICK THE SONGS FOR THE SUMMER TOUR" was the headline if memory serves. Fans could simply click on their favorite SLOB tracks and supposedly Ian was going to perform the favorites on the upcoming tour. "Great! A whole new tour featuring the best songs off Ian's new masterpiece!" In anticipation I went out and booked 3 different shows in 3 different states to soak it all in. Too bad the reality was that the whole thing was simply just another one of Ian's "marketing stunts." Ian ignored the voting all together and threw together another best-of tour with a sprinkling of the least favorite SLOB tracks thrown in. Of the three SLOB tracks played, Boris Dancing, had already been played the previous tour. The other two tracks were Water Carrier and Habanero Reel. The arrangement of Water Carrier is basically like listening to Fat Man so in essence we were treated to one "new" song that tour. That tour pretty much cemented the fact that Tull had indeed become an "oldies" act. But in hindsight perhaps it was that vote that did it. With only 70 or 80 thousand responses, maybe Ian realized that his new material simply did not generate enough interest. Who knows... I remember the Little Light Music tour (which I saw twice at the Beacon and three nights at the Orpheum in Boston), buying the program before the show, and there being a selection of songs that Ian indicated would be chosen from each night, giving the impression that each gig would be different, but night after night it was the same set list and three quarters of the enumerated songs were ignored. Jeff
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Post by nonrabbit on May 15, 2009 6:53:51 GMT
TM, I luv you, Dude! Ever you posted a while ago about the Nov, 2007 Tull show at NJPAC which was a hideous, revolting, embarrassing show ( I was there ,too). The only Tull show I left early..before even the 2nd half! But Ian's crap has been going on for soooo long. I just appreciate your honest, realistic take on all this. I feel less alone here. BTW, are you from the NYC area? We're in the Bronx. Caio! You know music. Ahh Tommie now you're not alone here cause there's another Tommie on here somewhere who loved his last show and told us about it I had no expectations of what to expect seeing them last year despite reading other reviews however I tried to keep an open mind and was blown away by actually seeing them/hearing Barres' guitar playing which has got even better -imo/ and the obvious enthusiasm and enjoyment from Anderson/Barre on stage STILL ! I also saw some fans who were a little jaded in their response to the show and sat with a bag of boiled sweeties (really) and I wondered why they bothered ! Me in another 10 years time? - no flippin chance !!
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Post by admin on May 15, 2009 8:15:30 GMT
May I for one suggest it's time to let the bitterness go? I do agree that Tull did have a bit of a dip in form and we did have a little period of rather tame shows with predictable set lists and it all got a bit samey for a while. But, IMO in the last couple of years I think without exception all of the recent Tull shows I've been to have been excellent. Ok, not much (if anything) in the way of new material but plenty of songs I've never heard live, Tull playing superbly and sounding like a rock band again, Ian's voice being as good as it has been since the mid 80's and, like 'em or not, without exception all of the guest players Ian has picked has to my ears at least added something worthwhile both in terms of bringing their own material and also their own input to the Tull songs too. I think it's actually a pretty good time to be a Tull fan. A new album would of course be the icing on the cake, but it's still a pretty tasty one as it is!
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Post by chea on May 15, 2009 12:19:32 GMT
Hi Mix. I think C.R is a very under rated album,too,and i really dont' know why ever.... :-/I love since it came out and considering how long J>T we are waiting for a new work from the group,it deserves to be listened more carefully.Wery deep atmospheres.I love Catfish Rising...
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Post by TM on May 15, 2009 13:54:46 GMT
No.....I know I come off sounding facetious or flippant sometimes. Mainly because it beats erring on the side of perpetuating an argument. I know fans of the Pogues who said they'd had enough of Shane MacGowan rolling all over a stage covered in his own vomit, barely aware of where he was. Don't know if they ever completely gave up on him. I do have my own lines that I draw. Shane MacGowan would have definitely seen the last of my money. If I PAID to see Ian taking a nap, then I would be getting what I paid for. It does bother me to watch him strain and struggle. I also wish he would perform in a way that suits him now. I don't get irritated by him, I feel for him. But as I have said so many times....I came to the party very late. I only have so much time to see this brilliant artist - and this band - before he packs away the flute and all we have left is the memories. If this is what I get.....as LONG as the musicianship is there, I'll go. I didn't see them at their peak. I didn't take part in a poll that could have left a bad taste in my mouth. I see why you are embittered by that, but how could I be? I can only base my opinion on a collection of CD's, YouTube (and assorted other) archives, and a handful of concert performances I've attended in the past 10 years. If my position seems a bit rose-coloured, it's because I haven't been on a crazy 40 - or even 20 - year ride with this band. I haven't seen the bad press or questionable concert antics mixed in with the good. He'd already given up all the costumes for the big boy black pants by the time I came along. Having said that, there are people who HAVE been on that ride, and they seem to have an opinion of Ian and the band similar to my own. So what it will always boil down to is that everyone has their own expectations of what makes a good performance and what doesn't. Even on this site none of us will agree with one other 100 % of the time. It would be unrealistic to expect us to all be that way. So then...knowing what we know about the current Ian, the current band, the most likely tunes that will be played on the upcoming tour (which have been played in every show I've ever seen of them or him), each of us has to decide for ourselves if we will still pay to go watch. And I will. But if he naps, he'll be in trouble with me. Their days are numbered, TM. There are more years behind them than ahead of them. As long as they play music I want to hear, I will pay my hard earned money to hear them play it. Nothing wrong with that at all BH. I feel for the guy as well - especially when I'm at a show. Which is one of the reasons I stopped going. There is something to be said for remembering them for what they were. But like I've said I bought tickets for this fall. It's supposed to be an acoustic show with some new songs. So will give it another go and see what happens. Hopefully I'll catch him on a good night.
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Post by chea on May 15, 2009 14:24:48 GMT
I completely agree with you on that one. If Ian is enjoying what he is doing then he should stick with it for however long he wants. That' my though,too.Ian surely still enjoys singing,playng instruments,performing on stage,planning nearly everythings,talk with journalists ,do ceck sound,long distance voyages,ecc,ecc.All that aged 62!! :DIt can't be only for money.He is a true artist wich loves his audience.It can't be different.Usually all the venues are sold out.year after year.
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Post by TM on May 15, 2009 14:38:44 GMT
I guess you don't recall the SLOB promotion back in 2000? Well, that is where this bitterness all started.... No and I'll tell you why - I'll keep it brief I am a resurrected Tull fan or in my 'second coming' if you like. I hung onto their every song from about 1971 and seen them live in the early days. I loved music in the late 60's and 70's - loved to find obscure albums and would sit around a room discussing every note /word with the best of them ! hate to say this now without sounding sexist but then it was a blokey thing to do ie dissecting why Gilmour played that particular chord etc etc etc Then I stopped listening to the music I liked for some weird reason probably cause I was married to a musician (who didn't get Tull!) and had amps in every room playing his music. Then came middle age and by God I might not be wearing the size 8 levi jeans anymore however the music more than compensates it's even more sharper/ fresher /sparkly clean ;D than it ever was!! In conclusion I have had a gap few years/ would even go as far to recommend it for the jaded ear (I don' t really believe anyone who posts here or who looks here is really jaded at all ) and No! I didn't know about the poll for SLOB and was there ever an explanation as to why they didn't use the songs requested? As Bluehare and Ash so elequently put it - I'm so glad Tull hung around and are still here to come back too. It's interesting to hear your and Bluehare's stories. And I think you're right, we all love Tull. Just some of us haven't been too crazy about the direction Ian's been headed for quite some time, while others are content no matter what he does. It's all good.
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Post by TM on May 15, 2009 14:44:32 GMT
May I for one suggest it's time to let the bitterness go? I do agree that Tull did have a bit of a dip in form and we did have a little period of rather tame shows with predictable set lists and it all got a bit samey for a while. But, IMO in the last couple of years I think without exception all of the recent Tull shows I've been to have been excellent. Ok, not much (if anything) in the way of new material but plenty of songs I've never heard live, Tull playing superbly and sounding like a rock band again, Ian's voice being as good as it has been since the mid 80's and, like 'em or not, without exception all of the guest players Ian has picked has to my ears at least added something worthwhile both in terms of bringing their own material and also their own input to the Tull songs too. I think it's actually a pretty good time to be a Tull fan. A new album would of course be the icing on the cake, but it's still a pretty tasty one as it is! I have this sneaking suspicion you don't go back a long way either Col!
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Post by TM on May 15, 2009 14:47:09 GMT
I completely agree with you on that one. If Ian is enjoying what he is doing then he should stick with it for however long he wants. That' my though,too.Ian surely still enjoys singing,playng instruments,performing on stage,planning nearly everythings,talk with journalists ,do ceck sound,long distance voyages,ecc,ecc.All that aged 62!! :DIt can't be only for money.He is a true artist wich loves his audience.It can't be different.Usually all the venues are sold out.year after year. Chea, Please don't take this the wrong way, but he keeps playing in smaller venues!
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Post by TM on May 15, 2009 14:51:58 GMT
TM, I luv you, Dude! Ever you posted a while ago about the Nov, 2007 Tull show at NJPAC which was a hideous, revolting, embarrassing show ( I was there ,too). The only Tull show I left early..before even the 2nd half! But Ian's crap has been going on for soooo long. I just appreciate your honest, realistic take on all this. I feel less alone here. BTW, are you from the NYC area? We're in the Bronx. Caio! You know music. That was Jeff like he said, not me. I didn't go. I think the last show I saw was an orchestral show at Carnegie Hall. Well since you're from the Bronx, you must be a Yankee fan yes?
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Post by admin on May 15, 2009 15:29:00 GMT
I have this sneaking suspicion you don't go back a long way either Col! I got my first introduction to Tull by being given a copy of Stand Up in the late 70's. I remember them being my new favourite band and being allowed to stay up late to watch the lively arts documentary on TV. And that was 1979 so I've only been a Jethro Tull fan for 30 years.
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Post by TM on May 15, 2009 16:15:34 GMT
I have this sneaking suspicion you don't go back a long way either Col! I got my first introduction to Tull by being given a copy of Stand Up in the late 70's. I remember them being my new favourite band and being allowed to stay up late to watch the lively arts documentary on TV. And that was 1979 so I've only been a Jethro Tull fan for 30 years. So you are an old man like myself. I became a fan in about 1976. First saw them live on the Bursting Out tour. A friend of mine in high school was an avid fan, and he would lend me their older albums all the way back to Stand Up. In 1977 the head of our audio/visual department recorded the Minstrel in the Gallery television TV program. My friends and I used scarf down our lunches and rush over to the studio to watch the program. He allowed us to watch for about a week. I have some fond memories from that time.
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Post by ash on May 15, 2009 16:20:40 GMT
I used to be on the official forum when it was running and I stopped posting and reading it because of all the bitterness towards Ian I've only just jointed here a while ago and I can't believe it's still going on Come on guy's enjoy Tull, how much longer will they be around. By the way I became a fan in about 1970
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Post by maddogfagin on May 15, 2009 17:19:14 GMT
I used to be on the official forum when it was running and I stopped posting and reading it because of all the bitterness towards Ian I've only just jointed here a while ago and I can't believe it's still going on Come on guy's enjoy Tull, how much longer will they be around. By the way I became a fan in about 1970 Well said and I couldn't agree more. IA's 61 and he deserves to be slowing down. Many would have stopped completely by now so revel in the fact that he still has a hunger to perform 'coz it certainly won't go on for another 40 years and let's stop the bickering and enjoy the music.
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Post by mix on May 15, 2009 22:07:30 GMT
I used to be on the official forum when it was running and I stopped posting and reading it because of all the bitterness towards Ian I've only just jointed here a while ago and I can't believe it's still going on Come on guy's enjoy Tull, how much longer will they be around. By the way I became a fan in about 1970 Well said and I couldn't agree more. IA's 61 and he deserves to be slowing down. Many would have stopped completely by now so revel in the fact that he still has a hunger to perform 'coz it certainly won't go on for another 40 years and let's stop the bickering and enjoy the music. I see no evidence of Ian slowing down.
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Post by TM on May 16, 2009 17:20:35 GMT
Well said and I couldn't agree more. IA's 61 and he deserves to be slowing down. Many would have stopped completely by now so revel in the fact that he still has a hunger to perform 'coz it certainly won't go on for another 40 years and let's stop the bickering and enjoy the music. I see no evidence of Ian slowing down. There seems to be a misunderstanding over this discussion.
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Post by mix on May 17, 2009 10:14:37 GMT
I see no evidence of Ian slowing down. There seems to be a misunderstanding over this discussion. What I mean is people suggest Ian is getting old etc but he seems to be in a mad panic to play as much as he can. Take this years solo tour for example. Now one of the things that strikes me about Tull is the contributions by Martin Barre. We all love him but I don't think he has ever recieved the credit he deserves for his musical input to the songs/arrangments. We all tend to think Ian is behind everything but Martin is as much a part of the Tull sound as Ian IMO. Now maybe Martin had other things on and did not want to tour as much as Ian this year so Ian goes out solo. That is fine but I have a real problem with other Guitarist doing Martins thing. Why can't Ian take a break, write that book, maybe write some new music. If he must go out and play then play just his solo album material. Tull material is for a Tull gig but I really struggle to see the difference between Ian and Tull gigs accept for Martin not being there for Ian gigs.
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Post by TM on May 19, 2009 13:54:33 GMT
There seems to be a misunderstanding over this discussion. What I mean is people suggest Ian is getting old etc but he seems to be in a mad panic to play as much as he can. Take this years solo tour for example. Exactly. No one has been critical of Ian for slowing down, in fact it's to the contrary. It was one of the reasons Dave Pegg cited for being disillusioned and leaving Jethro Tull. Now one of the things that strikes me about Tull is the contributions by Martin Barre. We all love him but I don't think he has ever recieved the credit he deserves for his musical input to the songs/arrangments. We all tend to think Ian is behind everything but Martin is as much a part of the Tull sound as Ian IMO. Now maybe Martin had other things on and did not want to tour as much as Ian this year so Ian goes out solo. That is fine but I have a real problem with other Guitarist doing Martins thing. Why can't Ian take a break, write that book, maybe write some new music. If he must go out and play then play just his solo album material. Tull material is for a Tull gig but I really struggle to see the difference between Ian and Tull gigs accept for Martin not being there for Ian gigs. I agree. I think it's a bad job by Ian to play Tull classics at a solo show. I have no desire to watch these other guys playing Martin's music. And thankfully Martin has the good sense not to get a singer and flute player and go out there playing Tull songs when he's doing solo shows.
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