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Post by Equus on Jun 2, 2014 16:20:45 GMT
I prefer Martin's band to Ian's currently. I'm on a friggin' i-phone in Northern Michigan (the lake is beautiful, the technology is not), so I can't figure out how to link damn YouTube videos, but find Martin's mandolin and bozouki version of "Hymn 43" live in Germany. Both vocally and musically it is a revelation. I could get quite used to not hearing Ian's embarrassing vocals and the weird duets with the choir boy he hired. Ian's vocals are really bad... Embarrassing bad... and I must admit that Ryan's voice lack the rough quality that Ian was so good at in the past... I like Homo Erraticus, but some of the YouTube videos from the Homo Erraticus / best of tour... is really bothering me... and there are so many talented singers out there...
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Post by onewhiteduck on Jun 2, 2014 17:40:01 GMT
For the ( think of a large number ) time most you tube videos sound $h1t. The three I took from 20 rows back ( and were deleted ) by aviator management are pretty good - even if i say so myself. I honestly thought IA's vocals were fine - little stretched at times but that's where RO'D helps out. For f**ks sake this is 2015 go see the show and then give a subjective view. I too am bored to death with the repetitive Ian/Martin/Ryan/Florian/Vocal/saxophone/keyboard/Name of Band/Divorce/Reunion/Blah ..................
Bring on the extended Play and f**king cheer up
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Post by hardliner on Jun 2, 2014 18:21:44 GMT
It does my head in this Barre/Anderson 'trial' separation. On the one hand it's dead simple both are doing their own thing. Both getting picked on for separating and for what reason they've decided to do. Both getting kudos and negative criticism for doing what they're doing. Ian was and is the most creative of the two and has decided to keep on writing and has brought out a great and innovative- sounding album with the promise of more. Martin is testing the ground with other musicians and performing well, especially with Dan Crisp, and should concentrate on producing new music to add to the set to stop it sounding a bit like a tribute band. Both should bring out books and both should play together again in the very near future and I think they will do just that. I think everyone has had enough of it all but to be fair NR when you make a post about Martin writing a warts'n'all book it just stirs the pot again. Martin just keeps on getting unfair stick on here . Anyone who says Ian's vocals are fine/good is in plain denial.
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Post by onewhiteduck on Jun 2, 2014 18:37:52 GMT
As I said I think Ian's vocals were fine live - not great but fine - especially for the HE album. If I've got an opinion I express it honestly. I dont particuarly like the Martin Barre Stuff. I tend to agree with Mad Dog on this. I don't do denial as they say over the pond. I do honest. Martin get a keyboard player ditch the French Guy and do BARRE. Ian keep producing quality albums under whatever name.
OneWhiteSwan - in denial mode again - sorry Mods
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 18:54:08 GMT
repetitive Ian/Martin/Ryan/Florian/Vocal/saxophone/keyboard/Name of Band/Divorce/Reunion/Blah .................. MUST BE EXPECTED UNTIL we all move on...to that other life...even then, EXPECT IT. Play APP for the real Tull. A choirboy singing Aqualung. MY GOD! ...the future is now...ha ha. When the band starts to make jokes about Tull fans, then it is open season. onequackedatquacker
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Post by JTull 007 on Jun 2, 2014 19:11:47 GMT
Anyone who says Ian's vocals are fine/good is in plain denial. LOL! I guess I'm in denial everytime I listen to such creative and wonderful music. H.E.
Without Ian Anderson, life would be much less exciting and fun. He re-invents Tull all the time. I've never been happier since '73 and that says a lot to me. Ryan is a great compliment to that.
Otherwise we would have to see the Best of Tull gigs on a boat to the Carribean Islands.
Regardless of what happened back in the 70's, things are much better now. Rock On! No Whining
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 20:26:52 GMT
The beat goes on, at the very least...SING IT! Anyone who says Ian's vocals are fine/good is in plain denial. LOL! I guess I'm in denial everytime I listen to such creative and wonderful music. H.E.
Without Ian Anderson, life would be much less exciting and fun. He re-invents Tull all the time. I've never been happier since '73 and that says a lot to me. Ryan is a great compliment to that.
Otherwise we would have to see the Best of Tull gigs on a boat to the Carribean Islands.
Regardless of what happened back in the 70's, things are much better now. Rock On! No Whining Cashing in on your lines... I don't like the use of whining here... better used on My God Regardless of what happened back in the 70's, things are much better now. Rock On! No Whining means...no My God. oh no! What happened in the 1970's = the mighty Tull peaked! To add to the (cough, cough) joke - the best of Tull? That ship has sailed. My generation, your generation knows the best of music times was in the 1970's. You're such a kidder. PLAY ON And the graven image you-know-who with His plastic crucifix he's got him fixed confuses me as to who and where and why as to how he gets his kicks. Confessing to the endless sin the endless whining sounds. You'll be praying till next Thursday to all the gods that you can count.
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Post by Equus on Jun 2, 2014 20:37:15 GMT
Hmm... Church music and a choir boy... What is Ian trying to tell us...?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 20:55:09 GMT
Hmm... Church music and a choir boy... What is Ian trying to tell us...? More like, why is Ian trying to confuse us again. Would like a slightly rougher vocal to growl TULL music.
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Post by Equus on Jun 2, 2014 21:01:24 GMT
Hmm... Church music and a choir boy... What is Ian trying to tell us...? More like, why is Ian trying to confuse us again. Would like a slightly rougher vocal to growl TULL music. The man is an ongoing enigma...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 21:11:20 GMT
More like, why is Ian trying to confuse us again. Would like a slightly rougher vocal to growl TULL music. The man is an ongoing enigma... If history, his history tells us anything he is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a vulnerable key. history lesson onebeforemorewhiteducks Thanks to: www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/RusnEnig.html
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Post by nonrabbit on Jun 2, 2014 22:02:00 GMT
It does my head in this Barre/Anderson 'trial' separation. On the one hand it's dead simple both are doing their own thing. Both getting picked on for separating and for what reason they've decided to do. Both getting kudos and negative criticism for doing what they're doing. Ian was and is the most creative of the two and has decided to keep on writing and has brought out a great and innovative- sounding album with the promise of more. Martin is testing the ground with other musicians and performing well, especially with Dan Crisp, and should concentrate on producing new music to add to the set to stop it sounding a bit like a tribute band. Both should bring out books and both should play together again in the very near future and I think they will do just that. I think everyone has had enough of it all but to be fair NR when you make a post about Martin writing a warts'n'all book it just stirs the pot again. Martin just keeps on getting unfair stick on here . Anyone who says Ian's vocals are fine/good is in plain denial. Fair point but it's Martin that sounds a tad bitter not the majority of posters here. Martin not playing with Ian anymore and how Ian's voice sounds are two separate issues.
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Post by theothertull on Jun 3, 2014 1:50:32 GMT
I think everyone has had enough of it all but to be fair NR when you make a post about Martin writing a warts'n'all book it just stirs the pot again. Martin just keeps on getting unfair stick on here . Anyone who says Ian's vocals are fine/good is in plain denial. Fair point but it's Martin that sounds a tad bitter not the majority of posters here. Martin not playing with Ian anymore and how Ian's voice sounds are two separate issues. Right on, these are two different things. Martin has been the more sour of the two since the split, taking several shots at Ian, in fact bringing the voice thing up. Again, Martin needs to move on, I realize it is hard to be left behind, but he has the chops to move on. As for the Aqualung solo, yup, that was all him, but that was one solo, and most people remember the song more for "sont running down his nose". And I forget who mentioned it, but if FO is just copying Martin, I think it just validates that the guitar sound is more Ian than the player.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 3, 2014 8:50:26 GMT
A couple of snaps of Martin at the Looe acoustic gig back in April
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Post by hardliner on Jun 3, 2014 18:05:32 GMT
I think everyone has had enough of it all but to be fair NR when you make a post about Martin writing a warts'n'all book it just stirs the pot again. Martin just keeps on getting unfair stick on here . Anyone who says Ian's vocals are fine/good is in plain denial. Fair point but it's Martin that sounds a tad bitter not the majority of posters here. Martin not playing with Ian anymore and how Ian's voice sounds are two separate issues. Yes agree But they are 2 very hot potatoes on here that should but wont go away until its cleared once and for all. Im pretty sure every Tull fan would still like to know exactly what happened even though its really non of their business. Bring on the books ha ha !! Last time i saw IA live was 2011 and i took no pleasure in saying that was the last due to the voice issues. Suppose Ryan has helped but doesnt really work for me as does the current OTT guitar. Each to their own of course.
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Post by hardliner on Jun 3, 2014 18:44:43 GMT
Fair point but it's Martin that sounds a tad bitter not the majority of posters here. Martin not playing with Ian anymore and how Ian's voice sounds are two separate issues. Right on, these are two different things. Martin has been the more sour of the two since the split, taking several shots at Ian, in fact bringing the voice thing up. Again, Martin needs to move on, I realize it is hard to be left behind, but he has the chops to move on. As for the Aqualung solo, yup, that was all him, but that was one solo, and most people remember the song more for "sont running down his nose". And I forget who mentioned it, but if FO is just copying Martin, I think it just validates that the guitar sound is more Ian than the player. Point about the AQ solo is to be competing against the greatest guitar players on the planet (there is fair few and its the most competitive instrument in rock music) and to be voted top 20 is a serious achievement for just a 'good' guitar player. This used to be front page news of the Tull website until 2012. Jennies lyrics are very good/memorable but no awards. Im sure Martin has 'moved on' theres been no interviews for 1-2 years or so,people keep digging up the 2012 stuff which again didnt say much,maybe they need to 'move on'. Truthfully though ask yourself would you not be bitter initially after 42 years devotion to the band ? Barrie,John E,John N ,Andy G,Glen C,David P were all bitter after their much shorter stints with the band. The Ian Anderson electric guitar sound is what you heard on Fly by Night,Somewhere in England,Jack in The Green etc not quite the same as Martins tone.
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Post by hardliner on Jun 3, 2014 18:48:35 GMT
Anyone who says Ian's vocals are fine/good is in plain denial. LOL! I guess I'm in denial everytime I listen to such creative and wonderful music. H.E.
Without Ian Anderson, life would be much less exciting and fun. He re-invents Tull all the time. I've never been happier since '73 and that says a lot to me. Ryan is a great compliment to that.
Otherwise we would have to see the Best of Tull gigs on a boat to the Carribean Islands.
Regardless of what happened back in the 70's, things are much better now. Rock On! No Whining Sure, great Ian's still being creative with HE but its the 'best of Tull in the Carribean' most people so far are eargerly waiting for at the gigs.
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Post by stevep on Jun 3, 2014 19:09:25 GMT
It looks like both MB and IA are happy doing their own things and that is fair enough for guys both past retirement age. Us Tull fans are lucky that we can see two different versions of Tull. I am more than happy with this as I have been able to see the guys work together for some forty years. I would however travel some miles to see them work together again.
I was fortunate to spend a number of hours with MB in the eighties during the Broadsword tour. A really nice guy. One thing I noted was that the band seemed like a business and not really a bunch of pals out on the road. It seemed like a bunch of folk at work and not what many of us fans maybe imagine it is like. I often wondered whether the band were good friends or just guys doing a good job together.
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Post by bunkerfan on Jun 3, 2014 19:45:10 GMT
It looks like both MB and IA are happy doing their own things and that is fair enough for guys both past retirement age. Us Tull fans are lucky that we can see two different versions of Tull. I am more than happy with this as I have been able to see the guys work together for some forty years. I would however travel some miles to see them work together again. I was fortunate to spend a number of hours with MB in the eighties during the Broadsword tour. A really nice guy. One thing I noted was that the band seemed like a business and not really a bunch of pals out on the road. It seemed like a bunch of folk at work and not what many of us fans maybe imagine it is like. I often wondered whether the band were good friends or just guys doing a good job together. Very interesting to hear you where lucky enough to spend a number of hours with Martin and even more interesting to hear that you thought that the band were more a business than a "bunch of pals". No doubt the MB book will tell all. We'll see!
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Post by stevep on Jun 3, 2014 20:30:06 GMT
I have written about how this before Bunkerfan but will give the story again. What happened was that my wife and I went to Nice to see Tull on the Broadsword tour. Unfortunately the day before the concert, it was reported that it was cancelled due to some problem with the marquee it was being held in. I was really disappointed but as we were heading back to the hotel, we saw Martin, his wife and kids having lunch at an outdoor cafe. I went over and asked him if he knew where the next concert was and explained we had come over specially to see the concert. Martin and his wife were really nice and asked us to join them for a drink. He told me that the next concert was in Montpellier and he said that he would make sure there would be tickets for us in the box office if we decided to go there. We went through to Montpellier and found he had left us press tickets and a note from Martins wife saying to come backstage to meet the band and join them for a drink. We met the band and then mentioned to Martin that we had to go to get the train back to Nice. Martin and his wife insisted that we drive back in their car with them as they were going back to Nice anyway. I honestly felt this was a bit much but they were very insistent and MB mentioned they would both enjoy the company. We therefore spent a few hours in their company and I had the chance to talk to Martin about all sorts of things Tull.. For example, what had happened with Eddie Jobson.. Martin said to come and say hello any time we attended another Tull concert. I tried to do so but missed seeing him at a number of concerts until around twenty years later. When I mentioned to him about his kindness, he said..that's right you still owe me for petrol !
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Post by bunkerfan on Jun 4, 2014 5:57:30 GMT
I have written about how this before Bunkerfan but will give the story again. What happened was that my wife and I went to Nice to see Tull on the Broadsword tour. Unfortunately the day before the concert, it was reported that it was cancelled due to some problem with the marquee it was being held in. I was really disappointed but as we were heading back to the hotel, we saw Martin, his wife and kids having lunch at an outdoor cafe. I went over and asked him if he knew where the next concert was and explained we had come over specially to see the concert. Martin and his wife were really nice and asked us to join them for a drink. He told me that the next concert was in Montpellier and he said that he would make sure there would be tickets for us in the box office if we decided to go there. We went through to Montpellier and found he had left us press tickets and a note from Martins wife saying to come backstage to meet the band and join them for a drink. We met the band and then mentioned to Martin that we had to go to get the train back to Nice. Martin and his wife insisted that we drive back in their car with them as they were going back to Nice anyway. I honestly felt this was a bit much but they were very insistent and MB mentioned they would both enjoy the company. We therefore spent a few hours in their company and I had the chance to talk to Martin about all sorts of things Tull.. For example, what had happened with Eddie Jobson.. Martin said to come and say hello any time we attended another Tull concert. I tried to do so but missed seeing him at a number of concerts until around twenty years later. When I mentioned to him about his kindness, he said..that's right you still owe me for petrol ! Thank you very much for repeating this fascinating story. I'm sorry I must have missed it first time round. I hope you get to meet Martin again even if it's just to pay for the petrol.
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Post by stevep on Jun 5, 2014 17:48:08 GMT
Thanks Bunkerfan, was just worried about being a bore by repeating old stories. It happens at my advanced age!
Some things I remember from my discussions with MB. - He seemed to be genuinely shocked that fans would travel all over Europe to see Tull. - I asked him about his taste in music and he commented that his favourite was Kiki Dee and in his opinion she could do no wrong. I found that view quite a strange one. - I was keen to find out about why Eddie Jobson had joined the band and then left quite quickly, He mentioned that it was always meant to just be a short term thing but also that Jobson was a big star in his own right. I don't think he was being sarcastic or anything with that comment as he did not seem that sort of person. I knew of Jobson from his days with Roxy Music but I never thought of him as being a well known name.
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Post by bunkerfan on Jun 5, 2014 19:48:19 GMT
Thanks Bunkerfan, was just worried about being a bore by repeating old stories. It happens at my advanced age! Some things I remember from my discussions with MB. - He seemed to be genuinely shocked that fans would travel all over Europe to see Tull. - I asked him about his taste in music and he commented that his favourite was Kiki Dee and in his opinion she could do no wrong. I found that view quite a strange one. - I was keen to find out about why Eddie Jobson had joined the band and then left quite quickly, He mentioned that it was always meant to just be a short term thing but also that Jobson was a big star in his own right. I don't think he was being sarcastic or anything with that comment as he did not seem that sort of person. I knew of Jobson from his days with Roxy Music but I never thought of him as being a well known name. Never worry about repeating old stories Steve. When you get to my age they're always new. Kiki Dee being his favourite certainly is a "strange one". Maybe he fancied her.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 5, 2014 22:01:55 GMT
Her biggest/only hit was a duet with Elton John !
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Post by morthoron on Jun 6, 2014 2:07:34 GMT
Her biggest/only hit was a duet with Elton John ! Actually, her first big hit was "I've Got The Music In Me". Not a bad song as far as pop tunes go.
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Post by karma41 on Jun 6, 2014 7:22:24 GMT
Thanks Bunkerfan, was just worried about being a bore by repeating old stories. It happens at my advanced age! Some things I remember from my discussions with MB. - He seemed to be genuinely shocked that fans would travel all over Europe to see Tull. - I asked him about his taste in music and he commented that his favourite was Kiki Dee and in his opinion she could do no wrong. I found that view quite a strange one. - I was keen to find out about why Eddie Jobson had joined the band and then left quite quickly, He mentioned that it was always meant to just be a short term thing but also that Jobson was a big star in his own right. I don't think he was being sarcastic or anything with that comment as he did not seem that sort of person. I knew of Jobson from his days with Roxy Music but I never thought of him as being a well known name. Never worry about repeating old stories Steve. When you get to my age they're always new. Kiki Dee being his favourite certainly is a "strange one". Maybe he fancied her. Eddie Jobson was already a star in his own right when he joined Tull. He had already played with, and made major contributions to, Zappa, U.K, and Roxy Music. He also had great solo albums that I owned and loved, prior to his joining the band. I never thought it was ever intended for him to remain with Tull beyond the "A" album and tour. As a Zappa fan, I was ecstatic when he was in Tull and I'm thankful for his contributions. I wish he had stayed longer. As a guy who was used to playing pretty complex music, I wondered if he might of though the "A" album was a bit cheesy for his taste. Anyway, I don't think that Martin was being "sarcastic" at all.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 6, 2014 9:32:47 GMT
Her biggest/only hit was a duet with Elton John ! Her recording of "Amoureuse" was a hit for her in '73 or there abouts. Still played on easy listening radio stations worldwide and also by Smashie & Nicey on "Radio Quiet"
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Post by Tull50 on Jun 8, 2014 14:57:54 GMT
It has been difficult to find but I remember this interview with Martin long ago, and can move in part to the present Probably already posted here in due course... November 2000 dmme.net/interviews/barre.html(excerpt)- And "A" album, how did it come to you staying in the band when others departed? I expected to go as well and was thinking what to do but Ian said: “I’d like you to come and play”. I asked: “Why don’t you try to work with another guitar player just to see what it might be like?” But he said: “I don’t want to”. And I go: “Thanks”. - But what would you do if fired? I just didn’t know. I take each day as it comes. I don’t know what might happen at all tonight, maybe I won’t be able to play again. Or I go home and my wife might say, “If you play with the group I would divorce you”. Fortunately, she understands me. (Laughs.) I don’t expect anything, if so, I’m going to be disappointed. I don’t expect to be doing this forever but I would love to.
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Post by hardliner on Jun 27, 2014 23:58:01 GMT
New dates added December 2014 up north
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 28, 2014 10:16:59 GMT
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