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Post by adospencer1 on Apr 23, 2023 8:10:55 GMT
After a few listens its a relief. Four songs I like a lot and three more ok is as good as I hoped for. Its certainly better than the last couple of albums, it does sound in places like proper Tull. Joe is brilliant and should have been let loose more , a folk rock guy much more suited to the Tull style than the generic shredding and string bending of Florian. There is little "drive" to the songs, which cant be helped, IAs voice struggles to keep up as it is, but it doesn't seem to plod along at one pace like TZG did. My only real criticism are the lyrics. Clever and thoughtful of course, we know we always get that! But the is no ambiguity any more, nothing to lure us into the songs and make our own conclusions ,instead its a series of statements or facts (as IA) sees them. I think this has come about since he started to force himself to sit down and write to a theme. I miss those days of studying the lyric sheet and looking for myself in them Its a 7 out of 10 for me , hoping to grow into it even more. Well ,an update to my first impressions. Played it a lot last night. My initial thrill of new Tull is fading fast as much as I want to love it. The problem I have is the spoken word doesn't stand repeated playing like music does. Also some of the words to the songs are squeezed to fit in an odd way. Its becoming a bit plodding too, and the spectre of TZG is looming. Im still enjoying the musical cleverness, those touches of Tull, but find myself wishing for someone else to be doing the singing . Im still really enjoying The Wolf and Mistletoe but much of it is fading fast in my affection. Down to 6 out of 10 Im afraid
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Post by woodsongs on Apr 23, 2023 9:39:23 GMT
I really like the album, I really enjoyed 'The Zealot Gene' as well. I am just grateful that my favourite band are touring and still releasing new albums. Looking forward to the 'Broadsword' deluxe reissue this year as well!
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Post by adospencer1 on Apr 23, 2023 12:00:55 GMT
I really like the album, I really enjoyed 'The Zealot Gene' as well. I am just grateful that my favourite band are touring and still releasing new albums. Looking forward to the 'Broadsword' deluxe reissue this year as well! Broadsword will be quite something wont it? All those unreleased songs! Of course I too am glad we still have our favourite band. I'm not expecting a repeat of past glories either. Its just a bitter pill for me to swallow that if I had never heard of Jethro Tull and didn't have my long history with them, had I heard this as a stand alone album ( or TZG) I wouldn't probably wouldn't buy it though it pains me to say it.
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 23, 2023 12:15:50 GMT
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Post by samatcn on Apr 23, 2023 14:03:02 GMT
I really like the album, I really enjoyed 'The Zealot Gene' as well. I am just grateful that my favourite band are touring and still releasing new albums. Looking forward to the 'Broadsword' deluxe reissue this year as well! Broadsword will be quite something wont it? All those unreleased songs! Of course I too am glad we still have our favourite band. I'm not expecting a repeat of past glories either. Its just a bitter pill for me to swallow that if I had never heard of Jethro Tull and didn't have my long history with them, had I heard this as a stand alone album ( or TZG) I wouldn't probably wouldn't buy it though it pains me to say it. I’m kind of in the same place you are, where the excitement of the first listens has lessened and I’m starting to notice niggling bits that I don’t really enjoy. That’s the way it always is though, it’ll be a while before I know how I really feel about the album! I disagree about the spoken word, though. May be just an aquired taste, but it’s not getting old for me yet at all (for me it’s a couple riffs/motifs that are repeated just a few times too many). In fact I love Unnur and Ian’s voices on the first track. Their diction really is wonderfully portentous and full of character! Like the way he says ”when Ymir lived”, that’s oratory as hell. And when he goes ”earth had not been nor heaven above” and the music switches up, it’s just *chef’s second base* for me. How are there still outtakes from Broadsword, I ask you… ok, they were attempting a double album, but surely we are at triple album at this point, given all the songs that have already been released? Crazy!
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 23, 2023 14:48:39 GMT
By Sid Smith ( Prog ) published 2 days ago (Image: © Michael Robinson)
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 23, 2023 15:14:33 GMT
Jethro Tull's vocalist and primary composer Ian Anderson being interviewed to Chaoszine about the band's upcoming album "RökFlöte". LINK “If you try to find something that hasn’t been done before, it is going to be pretty much impossible”- interview with Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull Author Hernan Osuna - 21.4.2023
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 24, 2023 0:18:16 GMT
Friends I used to subpoena to see Tull with me wonder why I no longer force them along...i tell them that Tull in 2023 if for dedicated Tull fans, not neutral observers. I don't discourage anyone from seeing Tull and getting a taste of what made them so unique and great but I also admit that we lifers have to fill in a lot for ourselves at this late date and live Tull is sort of a live documentary performance about Tull during which Tull concert moments do still emerge.
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Post by jackinthegreen on Apr 24, 2023 0:38:26 GMT
Friends I used to subpoena to see Tull with me wonder why I no longer force them along...i tell them that Tull in 2023 if for dedicated Tull fans, not neutral observers. I don't discourage anyone from seeing Tull and getting a taste of what made them so unique and great but I also admit that we lifers have to fill in a lot for ourselves at this late date and live Tull is sort of a live documentary performance about Tull during which Tull concert moments do still emerge. Agree 100%
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Post by jackinthegreen on Apr 24, 2023 0:45:53 GMT
I got the 2cd, blu-ray version, and have not yet listened to the blu-ray yet.......but have listened to the cd on headphones twice....I have listened to the 2nd cd, the uncut version once and loved it more than the cd that became the album...it's early days for me...but I like more of the tracks that are new than the ones that were released before the album came out.....same as I did with the Zealot Gene.......
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Post by jackinthegreen on Apr 24, 2023 0:48:36 GMT
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Post by itullian on Apr 24, 2023 1:45:28 GMT
There's an uncut version? What is that?
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Post by Catqualung on Apr 24, 2023 5:25:23 GMT
It has gained a place in my presonal top ten of Jethro Tull's favourite albums. Ian's voice is what it is, but I like the fact that nowadays there is a growing lot of songs that he can be confortable with, in live performances. possibly leaving the masterpieces of the past to new instrumental arrangements or to the vocal help of other members of the group, becouse I dream to see Ian's band live again and again... RokFlote is a great album, not minding who has realized it, I like it much more than the Zealot Gene. Yes, I am enthusiastic about it, even, as the pics included shows, I am now a fully grown-up man, and I can listen to it without stir up too much...
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Post by Catqualung on Apr 24, 2023 6:07:33 GMT
It has gained a place in my presonal top ten of Jethro Tull's favourite albums. Ian's voice is what it is, but I like the fact that nowadays there is a growing lot of songs that he can be confortable with, in live performances. possibly leaving the masterpieces of the past to new instrumental arrangements or to the vocal help of other members of the group, becouse I dream to see Ian's band live again and again... RokFlote is a great album, not minding who has realized it, I like it much more than the Zealot Gene. Yes, I am enthusiastic about it, even, as the pics included shows, I am now a fully grown-up man, and I can listen to it without stir up too much... View AttachmentI admit I didnt like much the demos this times, which instead I loved for Zealot Gene and Homo Erraticus, becouse of their rough acoustic minstrel form. This time instead Ian is on the electric guitar and has the complete arrangement in minf, so it is just a sketch of the album, like probably a demo should be, but does not give it an interesting different feeling
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Post by jackinthegreen on Apr 24, 2023 10:19:04 GMT
There's an uncut version? What is that? CD2 on the 2CD + bluray package....the demo.
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Post by samatcn on Apr 24, 2023 13:17:31 GMT
Friends I used to subpoena to see Tull with me wonder why I no longer force them along...i tell them that Tull in 2023 if for dedicated Tull fans, not neutral observers. I don't discourage anyone from seeing Tull and getting a taste of what made them so unique and great but I also admit that we lifers have to fill in a lot for ourselves at this late date and live Tull is sort of a live documentary performance about Tull during which Tull concert moments do still emerge. Same. I would still bring along a friend to see them, but I would provide caveats before. To enjoy the current Tull live, a good tip is to be with the music all the way… don’t focus on Ian’s line interpretations, let them enter your subconscious at the weird angle they’re already coming from. But make sure to stick with the band with your conscious mind!
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Post by samatcn on Apr 24, 2023 17:09:24 GMT
Heads up, the live conversation w Bruce Soord is being shown on youtube right now, I don’t know if it will be possible to see afterwards. For those who missed the beginning, Ian just suggested that the next album might be the last one…!
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Post by jackinthegreen on Apr 24, 2023 23:32:20 GMT
Heads up, the live conversation w Bruce Soord is being shown on youtube right now, I don’t know if it will be possible to see afterwards. For those who missed the beginning, Ian just suggested that the next album might be the last one…! Just watched that....very enjoyable
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Post by oldghost on Apr 25, 2023 1:28:59 GMT
My preference list top to bottom :
Cornucopia The Navigators Ginnungagap Allfather Trickster (and the Mistletoe) The Perfect One The Feathered Consort Hammer on Hammer Ithavoll Voluspo Wolf Unchained Guardian’s Watch
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 25, 2023 2:13:17 GMT
This album is growing on me fast. Current summary: 'Maybe I'm not done yet'. Every song has a musical adventure built in and lineages to older songs emerging as well as strong connections to each other and to ZG and HE.
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Post by tullabye on Apr 25, 2023 4:49:29 GMT
This album is growing on me fast. Current summary: 'Maybe I'm not done yet'. Every song has a musical adventure built in and lineages to older songs emerging as well as strong connections to each other and to ZG and HE. So much better than either of those two. I really am surprised just how contemporary it is while sounding as Tullish as any of their slbums. A few words from a couple of the reviews ring true. It is “other worldly” and “ creates a whole new music genre.” Easily in my top tier of Tull albums and far better than ZG or HE.
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Post by tullabye on Apr 25, 2023 5:10:24 GMT
My preference list top to bottom : Cornucopia The Navigators Ginnungagap Allfather Trickster (and the Mistletoe) The Feathered Consort Hammer on Hammer The Perfect One Voluspo Ithavoll Wolf Unchained Guardian’s Watch Cornucopia is stunning. I have been a bit harsh on O’Hara in prior posts but that piano is so tasty. One of Ian’s most beautiful melodies. Ranking Wolf Unchained so low is curious though. I want them to replace LB with it to end their upcoming concerts. One of their very best rockers. Joe Parrish is a perfect replacement for Martin and really sounds like him in places. The whole band is terrific.
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Post by oldghost on Apr 25, 2023 13:38:33 GMT
I totally agree on Cornucopia. The only reservation I might have about it is that it follows 'Reasons For Waiting' too openly within the main melody motif. But now about 'Wolfie'...at first listen it sounded relatively exciting to me but with every repeated spin it was loosing rapidly for me, although I must admit that this is a track where Ian's vocals sound the strongest and the most convincing on the album...I don't know...overall it turns out a bit bombastic to me, maybe even too generic, not to mention several redundant Tull cliches and some ugly transitions. Even the otherwise energetic flute playing seems a bit aimless or at least too forced in places although I should be long well accustomed to that sort of situations on many Tull records...But ofcourse we Tull fans have different affinities about Ian's approach on certain songs and to tell you the truth I'm happy for anybody who finds the Wolf track appealing....as I see there are many..
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 25, 2023 15:25:30 GMT
ZG sorted out into three tiers, maybe I can force that format on Rokflote;
Highest Tier: Perfect One, Navigators, Guardian, Feathers Tiny step below: Gigg, Ithavol, Trickster, Wolf. Hammer Sure to grow but not yet settled: Voluspo, Corn, Allfather
I'm sure I am missing something on Corncopia and will humbly admit same soon but at the same time wonder why only me and one reviewer that I read so far are so blown away by perfect one and wish it had been drawn out to budapest or beyond length. It is so damn TULL.
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Post by bradster on Apr 25, 2023 16:33:47 GMT
ZG sorted out into three tiers, maybe I can force that format on Rokflote; Highest Tier: Perfect One, Navigators, Guardian, Feathers Tiny step below: Gigg, Ithavol, Trickster, Wolf. Hammer Sure to grow but not yet settled: Voluspo, Corn, Allfather I'm sure I am missing something on Corncopia and will humbly admit same soon but at the same time wonder why only me and one reviewer that I read so far are so blown away by perfect one and wish it had been drawn out to budapest or beyond length. It is so damn TULL. I agree with your thoughts. Have not been able to really get into Cornucopia. It reminds me of Botanic Man. That said I think this is an incredible album. Guardian's Watch is absolutely epic, reminds me in parts of Passion Play. Perfect One is a great example of later day Tull at its best. Hammer on Hammer and Wolf Unchained are solid rockers. I also quite enjoy the opening and closing tracks. Production is good. Ian's vocals are decent for 2023. Wish there was more acoustic guitar(just something short like Cheap Day Return), but you can't have everything.
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Post by oldghost on Apr 25, 2023 18:02:09 GMT
ZG sorted out into three tiers, maybe I can force that format on Rokflote; Highest Tier: Perfect One, Navigators, Guardian, Feathers Tiny step below: Gigg, Ithavol, Trickster, Wolf. Hammer Sure to grow but not yet settled: Voluspo, Corn, Allfather I'm sure I am missing something on Corncopia and will humbly admit same soon but at the same time wonder why only me and one reviewer that I read so far are so blown away by perfect one and wish it had been drawn out to budapest or beyond length. It is so damn TULL. Maybe the title deceived you...haha...only (half) joking...
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Post by trainspotter on Apr 25, 2023 21:31:41 GMT
I prefer the alternative stereomix of the full album by Bruce Soord, which makes the album a masterpiece for me. Thank's that I didn't have to wait 40 years for it. (Then I will be 105 years old, or most likely gone...) 3693/4000 Geir
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 25, 2023 22:07:42 GMT
My last post about the song, I promise: The title may have fooled me but I swear its not cuz i thought 'finally, Ian wrote a song about me' This song somehow, note by note, layer by layer forges a path to beating heart of Tull for me and, furthermore, has remined me how to listen to the other new songs and let them build and develop. Since size does matter, It will take its place among similar length jewels like Acres Wild and Velvet Green and European Legacy.
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Post by oldghost on Apr 25, 2023 22:10:51 GMT
I prefer the alternative stereomix of the full album by Bruce Soord, which makes the album a masterpiece for me. Thank's that I didn't have to wait 40 years for it. (Then I will be 105 years old, or most likely gone...) 3693/4000 GeirWow...that's exactly the information I wanted to hear from someone in those past few days. After hearing both mixes of Navigators I assumed that Soord's mix of the whole album must be quite a step up in terms of overall quality. Can't wait to get my hands on it. Can you maybe tell us which songs in your opinion particularly stand out within that alternative mix?
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Post by oldghost on Apr 25, 2023 22:17:36 GMT
My last post about the song, I promise: The title may have fooled me but I swear its not cuz i thought 'finally, Ian wrote a song about me' This song somehow, note by note, layer by layer forges a path to beating heart of Tull for me and, furthermore, has remined me how to listen to the other new songs and let them build and develop. Since size does matter, It will take its place among similar length jewels like Acres Wild and Velvet Green and European Legacy. "... not cuz i thought 'finally, Ian wrote a song about me..." Haha...good one mate
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