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Post by maddogfagin on May 28, 2010 17:48:04 GMT
Extract (and translated) from BN DeStem courtesy of Bert Maesen and the Dutch Fan Club:
Jethro Tull made 24 studio albums so far and includes live material and compilations. This will now remain to be the situation, because Ian Anderson is not intending to record a new studio album ever. Ian Anderson: “I will still go on writing new songs. During the Tilburg concert I will present three to the audience. I will not be recording new songs, economically it makes no sense. It’s too much hard work and it brings you nothing when you consider the costs of hiring a studio and good musicians, producing the songs, mixing, mastering and moulding, it all costs a lot. And when I do something, I will do it well but for who should I do it? Record companies will not invest in it anymore, because 90 percent of the people, who call themselves music lovers, will not pay for music anymore. The payment you get as an artist is not more than 20 percent as in the past. I do not want to complain but as an artist I have witnessed the good times and sold more that 60 million albums”.
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Post by snaffler on May 28, 2010 18:48:39 GMT
there we have it...... can't say i blame him, the era of making money through recordings is over, as sir mick alluded to last week. even if a new album did arrive, people wouldnt be satisfied, bellyaching like a bunch of daily mail readers really. I'm happy to listen to few new songs when they play em and even happier to hear the old stuff!!!!
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Post by kaibailey on May 29, 2010 4:58:37 GMT
That's really a shame. I wish he'd find a more financially sensible way to record the album. I was definitely looking forward to it. Totally a shame.
EDIT: After a few moments of thought, I'm gonna go ahead and say that's complete bull$h1t. I am a disgruntled fan. Damnit. People make albums for cheap, they should make an album for cheap.
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Post by steelmonkey on May 29, 2010 13:37:58 GMT
carrying Ian's logic the next step is even more depressing...young bands produce music, despite lack of profit...in hopes of making it up at the box office and merch table...poor old jethro will certainly not increase ticket and t-shirt sales with new material...in fact, it might scare off a slice of the audience who come for the aqua-breath-brick-bouree nostagia hit...so there is no motivation whatsoever, from the bizness standpoint, for Tull to create new CDs....oh well....i hope the artistic motivation and some faith that we lifers hunger for new material is enough to keep the new songs coming...a trickle at a time...live and on you tube.
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Post by nonrabbit on May 29, 2010 15:19:27 GMT
I think he's happy enough to tinker away in his own recording studio and produce a song as he sees fit. I would prefer to hear a new song on an a new album first then hear it Live although it adds a bit of spice to the Live show. Wish he'd also do a different type of show and introduce a something a bit different rather than relying on special guests - I can't think exactly what--- yet
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Post by maddogfagin on May 29, 2010 17:40:43 GMT
Now if Fairport can see the "wisdom" of releasing their work under their own brand, how come IA won't. Could it be that he senses failure if any release doesn't sell well?
The way forward is for someone such as Dave Rees at AND or someone with a similar small(ish) record company to produce a limited edition Tull album for the hardcore fan base and then promote it to a wider audience if it sells well.
Back in the 70's, when I was regularly going to small gigs to see some of the now established stars in their formative years, I would often end up buying a limited run LP of the act in question for some ridiculous price (99p) and finding I had 12 or so tracks of brilliant music. So the idea of releasing your own music on your own label is not new but it does rely on the artist being confident in their ability to produce 12 or so great songs.
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Post by maddogfagin on May 31, 2010 8:40:45 GMT
Just in case anyone from the Tull/Anderson/Barre entourage happen to view this Forum, how about this for an idea for the long suffering Tull fans thirsty for new material and/or work in progress of previously issued music. Crosby Stills & Nash raided their respective archive last year and produced the album "Demos". 12 tracks of high class demo recordings showing how they originally perceived the songs and how the composer presented them to the other band members and producer(s). 01. Crosby, Stills & Nash - Marrakesh Express 02. David Crosby - Almost Cut My Hair 03. Stephen Stills - You Don't Have To Cry 04. David Crosby - Deja Vu 05. Graham Nash - Sleep Song 06. Stephen Stills - My Love Is A Gentle Thing 07. Graham Nash - Be Yourself 08. David Crosby, Neil Young & Graham Nash - Music Is Love 09. Stephen Stills - Singing Call 10. David Crosby & Stephen Stills - Long Time Gone 11. Graham Nash - Chicago 12. Stephen Stills - Love The One You're With Just a thought Ian
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 16:52:19 GMT
www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=5498889&postcount=858It's to be expected, I guess. Hey, what happened to making an album for the sake of art. Looks like money changes everything. Money, money, money, damn. Keep it quiet- go slow - Not having a new album will cost Anderson a few seats here in Toronto in June. So there!
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Post by tommie on May 31, 2010 17:13:24 GMT
When are u people gonna wake up?! Geeeeez
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Post by steelmonkey on May 31, 2010 23:17:44 GMT
'don't wake me...I'm falling...slow spiral...into morning !!'
Yeah, the demo model would be perfect...I loved the dotcom demos briefly on the website and I know Ian tinkers with songs radically before he settles on electric vs acoustic etc....I'd love some captured moments of this process and I'm sure they exist...now...getting Ian to agree is a longshot...hell, he's inhibited about the finished product...and hoping economic despration one day drives his heirs into cleaning out his closet ( copyright: eminem) is also a longshot...we suspect ian has financially planned the next 4 or 5 generations of the Anderson dynasty and we also know that Shona, James and Gail are all smarter than the average bears and unlikely to need a garage sale in the next 100 years or so.....that only leaves theft as a viable option...I've already offered to distract ian at the front door while someone with bigger cojones and quieter footsteps than me liberates the tapes....well?
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Post by bluehare on May 31, 2010 23:59:05 GMT
'don't wake me...I'm falling...slow spiral...into morning !!' Yeah, the demo model would be perfect...I loved the dotcom demos briefly on the website and I know Ian tinkers with songs radically before he settles on electric vs acoustic etc....I'd love some captured moments of this process and I'm sure they exist...now...getting Ian to agree is a longshot...hell, he's inhibited about the finished product...and hoping economic despration one day drives his heirs into cleaning out his closet ( copyright: eminem) is also a longshot...we suspect ian has financially planned the next 4 or 5 generations of the Anderson dynasty and we also know that Shona, James and Gail are all smarter than the average bears and unlikely to need a garage sale in the next 100 years or so.....that only leaves theft as a viable option...I've already offered to distract ian at the front door while someone with bigger cojones and quieter footsteps than me liberates the tapes....well? I don't have cojones, sm, but I have been working on my cat burglar moves.....when ya wanna go??
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 1, 2010 2:03:53 GMT
Next time they're in Yerevan...with the Fancy Toys opening...that's 75%
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 1, 2010 7:57:09 GMT
'don't wake me...I'm falling...slow spiral...into morning !!' Yeah, the demo model would be perfect...I loved the dotcom demos briefly on the website and I know Ian tinkers with songs radically before he settles on electric vs acoustic etc....I'd love some captured moments of this process and I'm sure they exist...now...getting Ian to agree is a longshot...hell, he's inhibited about the finished product...and hoping economic despration one day drives his heirs into cleaning out his closet ( copyright: eminem) is also a longshot...we suspect ian has financially planned the next 4 or 5 generations of the Anderson dynasty and we also know that Shona, James and Gail are all smarter than the average bears and unlikely to need a garage sale in the next 100 years or so.....that only leaves theft as a viable option...I've already offered to distract ian at the front door while someone with bigger cojones and quieter footsteps than me liberates the tapes....well? I don't have cojones, sm, but I have been working on my cat burglar moves.....when ya wanna go?? I would volunteer for the Father Christmas route down the chimney but I fear I'd get stuck. However, there may be another way via the record company. In my days working for the Pinkerton Security Company in central London I did some shifts at the Chrysalis HQ and I can vouch that at that time (1993) there was a lot of Tull stuff dumped in side rooms and cupboards. Whether it's still there I doubt very much but a clandestine visit may prove worthwhile ;D Don't know if they've got a cat flap there for you to climb through Bluehare but you never know !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2010 13:22:46 GMT
'don't wake me...I'm falling...slow spiral...into morning !!' Yeah, the demo model would be perfect...I loved the dotcom demos briefly on the website and I know Ian tinkers with songs radically before he settles on electric vs acoustic etc....I'd love some captured moments of this process and I'm sure they exist...now...getting Ian to agree is a longshot...hell, he's inhibited about the finished product...and hoping economic despration one day drives his heirs into cleaning out his closet ( copyright: eminem) is also a longshot...we suspect ian has financially planned the next 4 or 5 generations of the Anderson dynasty and we also know that Shona, James and Gail are all smarter than the average bears and unlikely to need a garage sale in the next 100 years or so.....that only leaves theft as a viable option...I've already offered to distract ian at the front door while someone with bigger cojones and quieter footsteps than me liberates the tapes....well? Yeah, the demo model would be perfect...Cool! Don't wake me: I'm falling. Slow spiral into morning. Who's out there? Can't hear you. Ears covered - early warning. Alarm bells ringing. Time to make my peace with the dreary day. Spiral, spiral, spiral. Down the spiral, spinning madly. Gathering momentum On a disneyesque adventure ride. ;D
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 1, 2010 15:41:44 GMT
The hell with tiptoeing, sneaking and chimneys...it's time to organize an armed resistance to liberate Ian's non-public works and distribute them thru the world of Tull fans....wait for it....you already know......THE TULLIBAN.... (OSAMA RECORD-BIN LADEN)
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 1, 2010 18:42:30 GMT
The hell with tiptoeing, sneaking and chimneys...it's time to organize an armed resistance to liberate Ian's non-public works and distribute them thru the world of Tull fans....wait for it....you already know......THE TULLIBAN.... (OSAMA RECORD-BIN LADEN) Extract from "Miss Marple and the case of the Missing Tapes" James answered the knock at the front door and upon opening it he was confonted by four masked men. "Dad" he called out "there are four people here to see you". The sound of the flute from the upstairs room stopped and Ian realised it was all over and he would have to hand over the tapes. He'd met his match with this bunch of fanatics - the game was up!Surely a case for CSI Bodmin
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2010 19:55:39 GMT
I've been warned that you and your friends are crazy. - Ian Anderson
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Post by nonrabbit on Jun 2, 2010 8:32:25 GMT
The hell with tiptoeing, sneaking and chimneys...it's time to organize an armed resistance to liberate Ian's non-public works and distribute them thru the world of Tull fans....wait for it....you already know......THE TULLIBAN.... (OSAMA RECORD-BIN LADEN) Extract from "Miss Marple and the case of the Missing Tapes" James answered the knock at the front door and upon opening it he was confonted by four masked men. "Dad" he called out "there are four people here to see you". The sound of the flute from the upstairs room stopped and Ian realised it was all over and he would have to hand over the tapes. He'd met his match with this bunch of fanatics - the game was up!Surely a case for CSI Bodmin[/quote] ;D ;D ;D armed with nothing more than a Mr Whippy i50.images obliterated by tinypic/v6iz6b.jpg [/IMG]
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Post by nonrabbit on Jun 2, 2010 8:38:46 GMT
Extract from "Miss Marple and the case of the Missing Tapes" James answered the knock at the front door and upon opening it he was confonted by four masked men. "Dad" he called out "there are four people here to see you". The sound of the flute from the upstairs room stopped and Ian realised it was all over and he would have to hand over the tapes. He'd met his match with this bunch of fanatics - the game was up! ;D Extract from Noel Coward "Maddogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun"
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Post by parkbench on Jun 11, 2010 13:15:38 GMT
Even the Rubettes are bringing out a new album (A variant of them, at least) - why no new Tull album? Surely if The Rubettes featuring Bill Hurd can record and release an album, why not Tull?
Then you have Pavlov's Dog bringing out new material, Asia bringing out new albums, Fairport still recording, etc, etc. Is Sire Anderson having a sulk? Or is he just enjoying touring and playing with others? Answers on a postcard to 3 Rock Island.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 27, 2010 17:42:38 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 29, 2010 17:28:49 GMT
Oh bu***r, got my hopes up there.
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Post by futureshock on Sept 21, 2010 12:12:16 GMT
Hello everyone, I haven't posted here for what could be years now, but I'll toss in a comment on this issue. Everywhere I look I see music stores going barebones on CDs. Electronic file selling is to be the norm. I think that is so certain and commonly experienced by the purchasers that the problem now remains for the producers of music to secure adequate protection of process and income. Personally I'm glad the youngsters don't have to go through what I did with stereo equipment in the 1970s and have to buy over 5 different copies of Aqualung just because the needle kept burrowing through it and creating scratches and damaging the music. The electronic file pathway also opens up the possibility of getting back to very high quality audio files as well as the lower quality MP3s. Who can't remember listening to audiofile pressings of Dark Side Of The Moon with the lights out. Just think! Now you can do that over and over with no scratches! I'm pretty sure Ian Anderson is experiencing as much anxiety over the issue as listing reasons for obstacles. However, the marketplace is trying to figure out solutions and the market is always ready to accept quality work. Perhaps the first thing to forget while looking for reasons for creating new music is the old format of "album". Make each song count and experiment. There certainly is a problem with "record companies" because they are caught in the trap of a format, it's not really a question of music, and soon, not a question of making money for the artists. "Tear down that wall, Mr. Gorbechev and play some new style Russian blues." or rag time or bluegrass or Mauritanian sandal repairman meditation music. There's a market, there's a music. Dolphin war declaration on Japan marches. Solar powered Tuscany grape growers bird scattering noisemaker music. Hmmmm, might do that one myself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 13:53:09 GMT
Hello everyone, I haven't posted here for what could be years now, but I'll toss in a comment on this issue. Everywhere I look I see music stores going barebones on CDs. Electronic file selling is to be the norm. I think that is so certain and commonly experienced by the purchasers that the problem now remains for the producers of music to secure adequate protection of process and income. Personally I'm glad the youngsters don't have to go through what I did with stereo equipment in the 1970s and have to buy over 5 different copies of Aqualung just because the needle kept burrowing through it and creating scratches and damaging the music. The electronic file pathway also opens up the possibility of getting back to very high quality audio files as well as the lower quality MP3s. Who can't remember listening to audiofile pressings of Dark Side Of The Moon with the lights out. Just think! Now you can do that over and over with no scratches! I'm pretty sure Ian Anderson is experiencing as much anxiety over the issue as listing reasons for obstacles. However, the marketplace is trying to figure out solutions and the market is always ready to accept quality work. Perhaps the first thing to forget while looking for reasons for creating new music is the old format of "album". Make each song count and experiment. There certainly is a problem with "record companies" because they are caught in the trap of a format, it's not really a question of music, and soon, not a question of making money for the artists. "Tear down that wall, Mr. Gorbechev and play some new style Russian blues." or rag time or bluegrass or Mauritanian sandal repairman meditation music. There's a market, there's a music. Dolphin war declaration on Japan marches. Solar powered Tuscany grape growers bird scattering noisemaker music. Hmmmm, might do that one myself. futureshock, Beauty post, eh. "...have to buy over 5 different copies of Aqualung just because the needle kept burrowing through it and creating scratches and damaging the music." Damn right, though I did buy about five versions of Aqualung on CD to check out the mastering. Cheers! Well it was up to me.
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Post by bunkerfan on Sept 21, 2010 14:57:54 GMT
Reading about futureshock having to buy 5 copies of Aqualung because the needle was burrowing through the records reminded me of a friend of mine who used to put a coin on top of the pickup arm head to stop it from...."Skating away On the thin ice of a new day." ;D
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 21, 2010 15:08:15 GMT
yep...I remember the penny on the record player arm...very high tech! And it took three trips to the store to get a TOTRNRTYTD because, I think due to the oil crisis and flimsier records, the first two were defective....makes sense to me that the producers and consumers of music need to learn new tricks, let go of the 'album' boilerplate...and find some way to restore sanity to the marketplace...i,.e....make it worth it for one Ian Anderson to vend some new songs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 15:19:32 GMT
used to put a coin on top of the pickup arm head to stop it from...."Skating away On the thin ice of a new day." ;D We have all been there. I get that "nails-on-a-blackboard" feeling when I read this coin on top of the pickup arm horror stuff. Then again, was it that bad, I'm sure the music was enjoyed, at the very least. haha I'm a needle on a spiral in a groove. And the turntable spins as the last waltz begins And the weather-man says something's on the move.
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 23, 2010 16:02:46 GMT
Email from Martin Webb received today: An interview with IA on the Yerevan promoter's website ( www.vgs.am/index.php?lang=2&id=23065 ) contains the following Q&A: VGS: Can your fans expect a new album, project from JT or Ian Anderson?
IA: In 2011 I have decided to cut down on the touring dates to spend some time in the studio and with my family and friends. Human and feline. So maybe just 75 concerts to leave some time to record the new songs we have been playing in the last few months as well the even newer ones we are rehearsing for the USA tour in the next week. Not necessarily an "album" - might be dreaded downloads - but new recordings nevertheless. Martin
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