Recordings of Indeterminate Origin

[maddogfagin]

Some of these designers should get jobs in record company art departments. Some inventive Bootlegs Recordings of Indeterminate Origin cd sleeves

















One of the best I reckon. Love the Viking theme - after all, the name Anderson is of Viking origin

[nonrabbit]

I love these covers !

some better than others ;D

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[maddogfagin]

These are the cd's from my collection of the unofficial albums containing, amongst other things, the never released music from the Chateau D'Isaster recordings which did not appear on Nightcap. Don't know where you'd find these nowadays but a google on the web might be beneficial.





Both are essentially from the same source.

[maddogfagin]

Now this is a strange one that I was sent many years ago by an overseas friend, who knew of my interest in the band. It's a Polish postcard single of The Whistler and it's something I have never seen anywhere else. It consists of a white envelope measuring about 15 X 17 cms which contains a postcard with the grooves cut into a laminated surface. The quality of the recording is very lo-fi as you might expect. Anyone got any ideas or even got a another one?



Pre glasnost enterprise?

[maddogfagin]

In the days before the availability of ROIO's on the internet, the local record fair would be the place to find the output of these enterprising people bootleggers. Here are some that I acquired back in the early 90's (part one):

[maddogfagin]

Part 2 - a few more

[maddogfagin]

Part 3 - the final few:

[maddogfagin]

Passion Play x2 vinyl boot recorded 20 July 1973 at Inglewood, California.

Track list:
Sides 1 & 2 - A Passion Play
Side 3 - Thick As A Brick (the middle bit) & Cross Eyed Mary
Side 4 - The Bomb In The Dressing Room, Aqualung

The cover above was drawn by William G. Stout.

[maddogfagin]

I've been sent a few more links of some shows from the past. Can't guarantee that they are still up and running but feel free to PM me and I'll pass the links on.

[maddogfagin]

This is a semi-legit release from Italy, where the copyright laws on items like this are/were different from other countries.

Originally recorded at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago on the 16th August 1970 it appeared as a magazine cover disc with the Italian magazine "Dictionary of Rock". It also came as a cover mounted cassette with the same cover.



Also can be found as

[steelmonkey]

The first boot at the very top of this page...1972...they didn't play 'Up to Me'...they played new day yesterday after Mary....or?

[maddogfagin]

Mar 18, 2011 22:23:00 GMT steelmonkey said:

The first boot at the very top of this page...1972...they didn't play 'Up to Me'...they played new day yesterday after Mary....or?

You are correct. AND came after Mary and the boot cover is wrong. I did check my copy to confirm that. Btw the cover is also wrong in that the date should have been 15 July 1972 'cos 19 July is incorrect.

[steelmonkey]

Easy to uncover cuz: 1.) The boot has the memorable start of the girls humming the riff off New day yesterday, mis-identifying it as jeffrey goes...and 2.) Ian went on and on a few years ago when they did play 'up to me' for the first time at that late date.

[maddogfagin]

Mar 19, 2011 19:13:16 GMT steelmonkey said:

Easy to uncover cuz: 1.) The boot has the memorable start of the girls humming the riff off New day yesterday, mis-identifying it as jeffrey goes...and 2.) Ian went on and on a few years ago when they did play 'up to me' for the first time at that late date.

Splendid boot. Had to listen to it all the way through just to check your thesis and to remind myself how good it is.

Things I have to do for the Forum ;D

[hipflaskandy]

Your first post above reads 'Some inventive Bootlegs Recordings of Indeterminate Origin cd sleeves'

Inventive indeed!
The 'Recorded Live in Europe 1973' image on that same post shows dear John Glascock playing bass - and I believe he didn't join till 1975!

[maddogfagin]

Mar 20, 2011 8:15:17 GMT hipflaskandy said:

Your first post above reads 'Some inventive Bootlegs Recordings of Indeterminate Origin cd sleeves'

Inventive indeed!
The 'Recorded Live in Europe 1973' image on that same post shows dear John Glascock playing bass - and I believe he didn't join till 1975!

Guilty as charged M'lud. Mind you in my defence I've only posted the boots as I got them and have no say in what photos the designer used.

[maddogfagin]

I received a PM a couple of days ago regarding the availability of some of the "illicit" recordings that surface from time to time and their availability.

"The Water's Edge": this exists as two distinct recordings. Originally there was a cassette copy which had a great deal of background noise but the second recording is "cleaner" and has a better overall quality. This latter recording was used for the CD of the concert.



1. The Surface
2. Mary's Song
3. The Surface
4. Kelpie
5. The Surface
6. Selkies
7. The Surface
8. Siren Song
9. The Surface
10. Beneath The Surface
11. The Storm


"The Chateau D'Isaster recordings": these originally were sourced from a Chrysalis "in-house" cassette tape which was sent to those people involved with the 25th Anniversary box set and Nightcap releases. The songs have appeared on at least three bootlegs with the Seed Drill Ditties being the best copy -





"The Dot Com demos": these too came from The Seed Drill Ditties bootleg and were first heard on the official site back in the 90's.

1. Blues for the 18th (Letting you go) - John Evan Band, 1967
2. Tomorrow Was Today - location and recording date unknown, 1971
3. Soirée (embedded in My God) - Essen, Jan. 21 1972
4. The Château d'Isaster Tapes - copy from the original tape 1972:
Overture, Scenario, Audition, Skating Away On The Thin Ice Of The New Day, Sailor, No Rehearsal
5. Another Untitled Instrumental - Heapstead, Sept. 18 1982
6. Intro UW Tour 1984 - Cologne, Sept. 26 1984
7. Instrumental - Cologne, Sept. 26 1984
8. Vettese instrumental - Cologne, Sept. 26 1984
9. Finale UW-tour - Cologne, Sept. 26 1984
10. Andy Giddings' Parrot - location and recording date unknown, 1993
11. Free Fall - location and recording date unknown, 1999 made available on the initial Official Jethro Tull Site.
12. Dot Com in progress - 1999 Recorded at Ian's home studio in 1999 and made available on the initial Official Jethro Tull Site. Consists of several takes/rehearsals of:
Spiral, Dot Com, Hunt by numbers, Black Mamba
13. Acoustic Café, Show # 271 - broadcasted in March 2000. Interview with Ian Anderson and songs performed live (with backing tracks on CD):
The Secret Language Of Birds, In Sight Of The Minaret, Set Aside, Habanero Reel
14. Sound check - Tallahassee, Fl., May 9 2002:
Thick As A Brick, Martin tuning his guitar, Ian welcomes the listeners, Living In The Past, Tuning: Elegy (Ian), Water Carrier (Ian, Andy & Doane), Martin Barre Instrumental.

[maddogfagin]

I’ve had a request about recommendations for the best bootleg albums by Tull. Whilst they are, in the main, (1) highly illegal, (2) some of dubious quality and (3) open to personal preference, I would go for these ones if you are contemplating obtaining a few or starting out to collect them.

The Seed Drill Ditties. A 2 cd set containing, amongst other items, the Chateau D’Isaster recordings from the original source tapes, Free Fall by Andy Giddings, and the Tallahassee sound check from 2002.


The Water’s Edge. The better of the two known recordings from the Theatre Royal in Glasgow from 7 March 1979.


Dharma For One. Stockholm 9/1/1969


Step Into The Brewing Room. The Passion Play tour.


Images courtesy of electrocutus

[tullist]

Just to clarify the post my esteemed brother, its the SALE of these items that is illegal.
Cannot over recommend any ardent fan of anybody, certainly the very well represented Tull, of getting on DIME TORRENTS. It is a wonderland, nothing short of it. Yeah you might have to make several attempts to get in, as last I knew they have a membership ceiling of 10000. But people fall out all the time, I think if there is no activity over a specified time, maybe a month, you get the boot. It is not that hard to get on as last I knew. And these folks go to great length to be certain nothing of an official nature is involved, and that absolutely no one who has a problem with it is involved. I know this cause some I would be seeking, specifically the Allman Brothers, Hot Tuna and King Crimson say no no no. But I think KC, or Fripp, gives freebies away all the time on his own site. Out of all the wonderful things on the net that still leave a man of my age agape, I might have to mark dime torrents as the single greatest miracle of all. And many of these recordings are ace quality, particularly as one gets into the last couple decades. But all the Tull years, save 68 when there really only is a little official BBC stuff, are well represented and oddly, a couple from those earlier years are better sound quality than anything I have heard from 71-4, though there is much of a highly listenable quality even from those years. In fact there was some famous taper Dan Lapinski I think is his name, who made some remarkably good quality recordings, I know I have a couple Tull shows from maybe 75 or 78 that are remarkably good, very rare to hear in those years.
And there is no form of music of which I am aware, be it classical, hip hop, Celtic, avant garde jazz, drunk with all the giants of blues and jazz, Beatles omg, it literally is insane. And of course the grand daddy of all of it that really gave it birth, the Grateful Dead, where you can find great quality of any of the years of their existence up to last night, given that entities altogether different approach to borrowed music dating back to before the beginning, re Garcia bluegrass stuff from say 62 or earlier. It is missing nothing, an absolute golden beacon of the internet.
Another one well worthwhile, though nobody can be that good, for instance maybe 1/20 the amount of Tull, (but what they do have tends towards maybe the most desirable and high quality) is the Traders Den and of course some sites that are more Beatle or Grateful Dead or their relatives specific, but these to my mind are rendered unimportant by the sheer volume of GD representation on Dime Torrents or Traders Den.
I must have around 150 Tull or Ian shows off those sites alone, maybe more, many I have never listened to. And the majority of any of the music up there come with already prepared cover art if you have a printer, much of which is incredible.
I mean earlier this year downloaded Jimi's entire run at Winterland in 68, all six nights, very good sound, freaking miracle. And out of all that stuff I have, a show Mad dog was at, Jimi 2/69 at Royal Albert which I believe will finally see a proper release, is one of the handful of crowning jewels of all I have downloaded. Monstrous performance including back stage chatter before the show. Its insane. Music heaven.

[nonrabbit]

This is a beautiful thread from both the art and the info point of view.


However I am totally green about bootlegs/torrents/ downloads etc so could you take me through it from;
Step 1 - what's all about?
to
How do I do it and will it be harmful to my computer ?(told you I was green)

in Noddy language as well please

[tullist]

That will be my pleasure my friend. If I remember right, it took me about 48 hours to figure that geekery out, most spent non stop. There are loads of different ways to do it, maybe somebody more well versed will pick up the ball and make things yet more confusing.
Basically these files on which these shows reside are in a form most normally called flac files, don't know what it means, doesn't matter, freaking geeks. First you want to download this thing called Winamp, it does lots of stuff, amongst which is converting these flac files, which you will have downloaded from one of these sites, but more of that later, just bits of the maddening geekery at a time Patti, believe me this is too worthwhile. There are a number of these things that convert these downloaded files from flac to a form called wav which is what you need to then burn them to disc. But first just download this winamp thing, you know, just go to your search engine and type in winamp and download the thing. Then go to CD burner XP, type those words into your search engine and download that thing too won't take up too much space. I will keep an eye open on this thing Patti, once you get those two downloaded I will walk you through further steps.
Having said that though, no reason not to search out Dime Torrents right now, also just use your search engine, and try to sign up, you may well be blocked initially, might take several attempts, takes little time to make the attempt, would not hurt to try like once an hour, spots open all the time. Could it take a week? Conceivably yes, or you might get in the first time, hard to say. If I recall right that Traders Den is a little, or maybe even alot easier to get on, no harm and a good idea to try that as well, just not as much Tull, and nowhere near as disparate an amount of music, tending largely towards the legends of rock and roll, with maybe a little Miles Davis and John Coltrane on the side.
btw, a curious and endearing thing about Tull on the Dime Torrents site, who's offerings I believe, but don't recall, can be seen even if you are not a member. There is a slot adjoining whatever "artist" you have typed in where you then check what music category they fall under. Most anyone is found specifically under one category where nearly all the Grateful Dead will be found in the category jam, Miles Davis under jazz, Fairport under folk, once in a while British folk, rarely under rock. I have downloaded at minimum 50 different artists, and have seen absolutely no one who falls under as many categories as Tull, prog, rock, folk, classic all come to mind. Not one for just plain jurassic but i digress. So in their case its better, in order to see all that is available, to not check anything, just Jethro Tull. With the 150 or so Tull shows that may be up there at any one time will be mixed in a few other bands that may have appeared at the same arena or where the name Tull or Ian Anderson pops up somewhere in the product description. Is there a better way to do this? Certainly I am sure, but, as is said, although nowhere near Chicago, I can't be arsed.
But that is easily enough for now sort of stage one of something that finally ain't all that confusing, but enough information for now. So any questions I will be around and noticing.

[steelmonkey]

I am GRATEFUL to the max, Ray...and appreciate this tow line to the 21st century.....not long ago i tolerated quite unpleasant company of a kindergarden Mom in order to be taught DVD burning....which also involves a few easy but potentially maddening and difficult to negotiate alone at first steps. This is more fun...and what a pot of gold awaits.

[nonrabbit]

May 6, 2011 2:38:37 GMT tullist said:

.. flac files, don't know what it means, doesn't matter, freaking geeks. .

;D ;D

R..... I echo the Steelmonkeys voice this is great stuff!! I've had a quick read - seems straightforward however I'm off to work - I will return to the quest (with the pot of gold at the end)
Thank you Master

[steelmonkey]

Mister master to you, Bunny

[tullist]

Cool Bernie too. So anyway will be keeping an eye out until you both give confirmation of successful download of winamp and cd burner xp.

[maddogfagin]

Ray - was never able to hook up to Dime but I've found some interesting alternative ways/sites to download Tull shows but I'll wait until you've talked B & P through the initial stages.

One question: do Dime downloads come as albumwraps or are the individual songs single files?

What I would say is ensure you have a good anti virus programme just to be on the safe side.

Apart from that it is, as you say, a rewarding experience. I'm still looking for 1968 concerts featuring Mick Abrahams but up until now the only ones that seem to be out there are the various BBC radio show ones. I'll keep looking though.

[nonrabbit]

Ahh for fecks sake going nowhere fast this morning
Nothing to do with your instructions Ray but everything to do with my internet connection.
Warning rant alert
I have a fault with either the "thing" that connects to the modem or the "thing" that connects the home hub to the telephone link. It's taken an hour to get a connection this morning.
I want a computer that works like a TV - you switch it on and it works. I will have to pay a visit to the only computer shop in the village to get it sorted today - pity the poor bloke - his face darkens when he sees me coming through the door

[harrowman]

As regards Dime can I concur with tullist that it is a remarkable website. feck knows how it works but it does. I use a bit torrent site called Vuze to download flac files and then convert them into mp3 to load onto my ipod. Can confirm files are as individual tracks and it is sometimes a pain in the proverbial to rename these files and get them in the correct order but the results are nearly always worth it

[nonrabbit]

Ray how long will this part take? I need to know before I start it as there's a queue for the only working computer in the house ;D

[tullist]

Downloading Winamp and CD burner XP should not take long at all, twenty minutes each at most if I remember from about 5 years ago right.
But the individual shows, after you're up and running can take anywhere from one hour to 15 hours but don't worry, you don't have to be personally "using" the computer to be downloading or uploading. The minor drawback is the individual shows use up alot of disc space on your computer, I would say for the proper maintenance of any average sized entire Tull shows expect to sacrifice as much as 1.5 to 2 gigs of disc space because of, by courtesy, having to stay around, after you have downloaded a show, and continue to "seed" the other people who might want to get at it.
It did cross my mind though Patti, if more than one person is using the computer using different passwords, that could stall the download of one of these shows or "torrents", I have personally never encountered that.