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Post by tullist on May 8, 2011 0:34:19 GMT
Ray - was never able to hook up to Dime but I've found some interesting alternative ways/sites to download Tull shows but I'll wait until you've talked B & P through the initial stages. One question: do Dime downloads come as albumwraps or are the individual songs single files? What I would say is ensure you have a good anti virus programme just to be on the safe side. Apart from that it is, as you say, a rewarding experience. I'm still looking for 1968 concerts featuring Mick Abrahams but up until now the only ones that seem to be out there are the various BBC radio show ones. I'll keep looking though. Hey Graham. Near as I can answer they come as both, individual files or songs but they can be downloaded without a break between, seamlessly like. There's an area where these individual files are listed on either of the sites I was talkin about. Plus it becomes sort of another Tull discussion forum under the responses and thankyou for seeding columns for the individual shows, like people giving their memories if they were at it. All I can tell u with Dime is to keep on trying regularly, its been 4 or 5 years since I signed on, seems like it took less than a week of regular effort, maybe its harder now, dunno. Very good idea to have an anti virus, not sure where I've got bugs from in the past.
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Post by tullist on May 8, 2011 0:45:35 GMT
Ahh for fecks sake going nowhere fast this morning Nothing to do with your instructions Ray but everything to do with my internet connection. Warning rant alert I have a fault with either the "thing" that connects to the modem or the "thing" that connects the home hub to the telephone link. It's taken an hour to get a connection this morning. I want a computer that works like a TV - you switch it on and it works. I will have to pay a visit to the only computer shop in the village to get it sorted today - pity the poor bloke - his face darkens when he sees me coming through the door Patti I totally want to break stuff with you. Let it rage baby, let it out. I can say there are alternative methods, I know a couple, something called Traders Little Helper can perform what I was asking Winamp to do, but I would have to look at it again to remember how to work it. And a thing called Nero can do what I was aksin CD Burner XP to do. But I would not think any of them would take much longer to download than the other. I have not used dial up to do this, I know it takes longer, but maybe not crazy long. To my mind still would be well worth it.
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Post by tullist on May 8, 2011 16:15:02 GMT
Might as well knock out a little bit more, and hopefully the rest of this methodology as time has allowed. The one other thing that needs to be downloaded is something called bit torrent. This thing more or less conducts the operation, allowing for the passage of information and providing the template on which it is held. Frankly it has been so long since I first did this I don't really remember whether, as you click on whatever show you want to download this is something you are prompted to do, where it asks you for a bit torrent, or whether its something you actually have to have already in place, as I am suggesting you do, by typing bit torrent in your search engine and just downloading their device. Again the only stuff that takes up signifigant space is the show itself. As u click on the link for whatever show you're looking for at a site like dime a dozen, thats its full name, and after you have completed downloading it, is when the need for winamp arises. So you bring up your winamp and go to the column marked options, this is with intent of converting the flac files you have just received from flac to wav. I should announce that, as far as I know, this is only necessary if you want to burn it to disc, which needs the wav format. If you only want to listen off your computer or send to an ipod, I am quite certain this stage does not need to be done, thereby saving a heck of alot of space. But most folks like me do want to burn it to disc, or at least I think so, so here's how to do it. After you go to that column marked options on winamp and click on it go to the very bottom of its available options and click on preferences. While all the stages being referenced are important, this one might require special attention. Doubtless the thing defaults to something called, the second available option of three available, something called Nullsoft disc writer v2.49, this is not the option you want, but if you are going to be using winamp for its more usual reasons like watching videos, or listening to streaming content like radio stations or the musical and Tull wonderland that is something like the site SugarMegs, you will be wanting to switch back to that second option after you are done using it to convert from flac to wav. Its dead easy. Anyway, for converting from flac to wav, click on its first option which is Nullsoft direct sound output v2.14. Also in the furthest left column I notice mine is set for output. Truly I don't remember whether it is necessary to do so, I just notice mine is set like that, so surely it needs to be, just don't remember. After all this is done click on the prompt at the very bottom left that says configure. This will take u to a nullsoft disc writer v2.14 settings page. Click where it says directory, if you are looking for the last show you downloaded it will already have it listed right next to directory, or it will take you to whatever drive you are holding your downloads on, maybe under music, and just locate the show you are looking for. Well, times up for today's dissertation, maybe time for more later.
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Post by tullist on May 8, 2011 18:01:53 GMT
After you have located and highlighted the show you are looking for highlight it, (or if its the show you just downloaded, likely it already is highlighted, sort of a default) there will be an option at the bottom for ok or cancel, click ok. This will take you back to the Nullsoft disc writer v214 settings box with the ok or cancel option in the bottom right hand corner, click on ok there too. This will take you back to the Winamp preferences box with the close option in the bottom left hand corner, click it. This will take u back to the Winamp screen and on the left click the file column. Clicking on the file column the first option will be play file, click that baby and there's no stoppin u now. Clean dealin, converting to a usable state happenin right now. No stoppin it unless of course you hit stop, it well let u know when its done, don't be messin with it. It will let you know as the individual tracks are converted and when its completed. Most stuff takes me about 4 minutes, but my computer has been littered with things enough where it has taken half an hour, but for most people I believe it will be 4 minutes or less. So then comes time for the use of the cd burner xp device. Go to your programs and bring it up, you know, click on it. The CD Burner XP page will come up with 5 different options, for burning a disc click audio disc and at the bottom right click ok. A new screen will come up and in the far left column you can locate your downloaded show wherever you saved it to like my documents or my music. Click on the show you want to burn and it will show up in the right column under name, size, type etc.An average size Tull show will take up 2 discs. Probably about 85 per cent are already labeled like that by the person who originally uploaded it, that is CD1 and CD2, often with the song names included. More later. Getting near the end.
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Post by nonrabbit on May 8, 2011 20:43:10 GMT
This is so good of you to post Ray for the likes of me an the Steelmonkey and the others that don't know how - full steam ahead 12 hrs from now - morningtime in Ireland Speaking of anti virus busters I was told about this one and I used it AND it's free got rid of a particular nasty bug www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/anti-virus/malwarebytes-anti-malware?1I will report with my progress asap
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Post by nonrabbit on May 10, 2011 7:39:55 GMT
Last question before I start Will doing this use up a lot of memory/space etc? as I'm pretty maxed at the moment?
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Post by maddogfagin on May 10, 2011 8:06:23 GMT
Last question before I start Will doing this use up a lot of memory/space etc? as I'm pretty maxed at the moment? Once you've downloaded an album and transfered it to CDR, save the files to a flash drive/memory stick (put a short cut to it on your desktop) and then erase from your hard drive so that your computer is not clogged up with saved albums. I get mine from Play.com and they have a rather good 16GB one for £12.99 with free delivery. You'll be able to save 70+ albums on the flash drive depending on the size of the files.
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Post by tullist on May 10, 2011 17:27:44 GMT
The only thing that will take up much space Patti is the shows themselves and the sharing of them, which is pretty much expected which one does by leaving the bit torrent on which a downloaded show is held up and running. I do know that if one's share percentage dips below a certain level, you can get booted off the forum, not sure what that level is, it is recommended that u give back on a 1.15 to 1 ratio, but that can be difficult if your interests go outside the mainstream or more heavily trafficked artists, sometimes its good to go to a page they have where you can see what the 10 best "seeded" torrents are, and if its anybody u like, grab one of those as they more quickly increase your "share" ratio. Tull shows are good for this if it is within the first day or so of it being offered, when it is most heavily trafficked. It will make more sense as you are using it. And Graham's point is a very good one, those flash drives, sometimes called thumb drives over here are not at all expensive considering what they will do.
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Post by tullist on May 10, 2011 17:43:57 GMT
After you have located and highlighted the show you are looking for highlight it, (or if its the show you just downloaded, likely it already is highlighted, sort of a default) there will be an option at the bottom for ok or cancel, click ok. This will take you back to the Nullsoft disc writer v214 settings box with the ok or cancel option in the bottom right hand corner, click on ok there too. This will take you back to the Winamp preferences box with the close option in the bottom left hand corner, click it. This will take u back to the Winamp screen and on the left click the file column. Clicking on the file column the first option will be play file, click that baby and there's no stoppin u now. Clean dealin, converting to a usable state happenin right now. No stoppin it unless of course you hit stop, it well let u know when its done, don't be messin with it. It will let you know as the individual tracks are converted and when its completed. Most stuff takes me about 4 minutes, but my computer has been littered with things enough where it has taken half an hour, but for most people I believe it will be 4 minutes or less. So then comes time for the use of the cd burner xp device. Go to your programs and bring it up, you know, click on it. The CD Burner XP page will come up with 5 different options, for burning a disc click audio disc and at the bottom right click ok. A new screen will come up and in the far left column you can locate your downloaded show wherever you saved it to like my documents or my music. Click on the show you want to burn and it will show up in the right column under name, size, type etc.An average size Tull show will take up 2 discs. Probably about 85 per cent are already labeled like that by the person who originally uploaded it, that is CD1 and CD2, often with the song names included. More later. Getting near the end. So if you are blessed enough that what you are downloading is already clearly marked cd 1, 2 etc highlight the content of cd1 CLICKING THE LAST TRACK FIRST, as this will keep it in the proper running order at burn, maybe there is a better way to do that but... If there is no given dileniation between tracks as to where one cd begins and another begins you usually can find out where the break should be either back at the show description or in the commentary from other downloaders, or by just dividing the over all size and dividing it by the number of discs. So anyway after you have that first disc highlighted click add and those highlighted tracks will show up in the bottom half of the page. Click burn and the burn audio page comes up. (O a big btw, your blank disc should be inserted by now)I highly recommend a speed of 16x amongst the options given for burn speed. There are various other options available that one can easily determine for themselves like number of copies, but of course for a live show u want to have checked the no pause between tracks since its not like an album. Some of the between song chatter in the crowd on these recordings which are of the "audience" variety as opposed to soundboard, often conversations or bellowing from long ago, is once in awhile funny. And that folks, is that.
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Post by nonrabbit on May 10, 2011 20:38:27 GMT
So appreciative of this Ray and there's more than me who will benefit from it! Thanks a million
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Post by maddogfagin on May 29, 2011 12:18:34 GMT
Some vinyl boots from my collection starting with Wet & Windy picture disc, Giessen 16/7/1988 Nowhere Fast, Philadelphia 15/11/1987
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Post by maddogfagin on May 30, 2011 9:51:32 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on May 31, 2011 7:51:45 GMT
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Post by nonrabbit on May 31, 2011 13:32:35 GMT
thats one psychadelic vinyl
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Post by maddogfagin on May 31, 2011 17:55:49 GMT
Essen, 21/1/72 (not 1971 as it says on the cover) Great idea the wrap around covers to vinyl boots.
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Post by tullist on May 31, 2011 20:07:00 GMT
I can say that Essen, to my memory, is a very listenable recording, though what I have is off Dime, and oftentimes and more like always, some kind soul has tweeked with the existing problems on the recording, like the static or pops in the vinyl, or bringing up what sometimes is a non existent bass, whatever they're doing. Additionally I have noticed thru the years, and very generally speaking, that things that were recorded either in Germany or Deadhead central in the Bay Area, are often of very good quality. However that one from Japan, doubtlessly I paid at least 25 dollars for it about 15 years ago, was quickly discarded as useless. I forget if I have since downloaded a tweaked copy off Dime, I know I have at least one very good show from Japan somewhere between 72 and 4, maybe more than one.
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Post by tullist on May 31, 2011 20:12:46 GMT
And one very nice thing notable on recordings from Japan, they excel at shutting the f**k up. This is particularly notable on Beatle recordings, though the sound still sucks, they still squeal but they temper it. Certainly in the race for the most polite populace on the planet. But there are varying levels of crowd noise. While my brother Americans unfortunately regularly rate as most rude,(though parts of Europe, Italy and Spain get no clear pass either) not always but all too often, re drunken shouts for Aqualung, I must say in recent visits to South America there is a very different sort of crowd noise more of a tenor of unbridled joy, (not forgetting that in Tull's halcyon years, political climates in some/most of those countries made visiting not doable)that I find VERY appealing. In fact one of the interesting by products of these audience recordings is being able to listen in on conversations, sometimes from many decades earlier, and on one Tull from Italy, I think about 82, an actual riot occurs not far from the microphone, have to admit, it is in its way, funny.
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Post by nonrabbit on May 31, 2011 21:37:36 GMT
That last one looks like the pamphlets that used to get thrust into your hand in the 70's by the recruiters for the Children of God cult.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 1, 2011 7:47:20 GMT
I can say that Essen, to my memory, is a very listenable recording, though what I have is off Dime, and oftentimes and more like always, some kind soul has tweeked with the existing problems on the recording, like the static or pops in the vinyl, or bringing up what sometimes is a non existent bass, whatever they're doing. Additionally I have noticed thru the years, and very generally speaking, that things that were recorded either in Germany or Deadhead central in the Bay Area, are often of very good quality. However that one from Japan, doubtlessly I paid at least 25 dollars for it about 15 years ago, was quickly discarded as useless. I forget if I have since downloaded a tweaked copy off Dime, I know I have at least one very good show from Japan somewhere between 72 and 4, maybe more than one. The one you may be referring to is from '72, a 3 cd set.
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Post by tullist on Jun 1, 2011 13:14:08 GMT
Well Graham....the one I am referring to as registering on the sucks meter is definitely the one you have printed there, as it regularly is staring at me from a drawer that i keep discarded cd covers in (most or all the others are in there because the original cases take up too much space as one tries to make room for the sheer volume of recordings I have, those jewel cases take up too much damn space)but that is the only one that is in there because I consider it unlistenable. I have a way high tolerance, especially with Tull recording where soundboards are nearly unheard of, I can usually find some merit re Ian's voice or some other element(s) come thru nicely, or at least well enough for this fanatic. At least 10 other TAAB shows in my collection that make the grade, though unfortunately neither of my first 2, May and November in Chicago 72.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 1, 2011 17:37:18 GMT
Well Graham....the one I am referring to as registering on the sucks meter is definitely the one you have printed there, as it regularly is staring at me from a drawer that i keep discarded cd covers in (most or all the others are in there because the original cases take up too much space as one tries to make room for the sheer volume of recordings I have, those jewel cases take up too much damn space)but that is the only one that is in there because I consider it unlistenable. I have a way high tolerance, especially with Tull recording where soundboards are nearly unheard of, I can usually find some merit re Ian's voice or some other element(s) come thru nicely, or at least well enough for this fanatic. At least 10 other TAAB shows in my collection that make the grade, though unfortunately neither of my first 2, May and November in Chicago 72. Must admit to not listening to that Japanese boot for quite sometime but I'll have to take time out to do so soon and the other TAAB ones I have. Most of my 300+ boots are in the spare room and take up a fair bit of space. It's a shame that minidiscs didn't catch on as that would solve the storage problem.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 1, 2011 17:43:05 GMT
Another one from Philadelphia, 25/11/1987 Los Angeles, 12/11/1980
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 1, 2011 18:56:12 GMT
Our very own Maddog-the Imelda Marcos of boots. I myself treasured the handful of fairly common boots i acquired, some through no small effort cruising record shops in Denver, Boulder and Albuquerque at length, you know the ones: My God, Ticketron, supercharged, baltimore and around, flutecake, nothing is easy. sackful of trousersnakes...but as the boot business boomed it semed like diminishing returns, that and the underlying fact that one live record per tour is plenty for most Tull tours, so i stopped piling them up.....it would be fun to spend some time wallowing in the dog's pile, however.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 2, 2011 7:55:10 GMT
Our very own Maddog-the Imelda Marcos of boots. I myself treasured the handful of fairly common boots i acquired, some through no small effort cruising record shops in Denver, Boulder and Albuquerque at length, you know the ones: My God, Ticketron, supercharged, baltimore and around, flutecake, nothing is easy. sackful of trousersnakes...but as the boot business boomed it semed like diminishing returns, that and the underlying fact that one live record per tour is plenty for most Tull tours, so i stopped piling them up.....it would be fun to spend some time wallowing in the dog's pile, however. Love the pun Bernie My first ever Tull boot, on red vinyl - Anaheim, October 1970 (although it says 1972 on the cover) Genuine Tune - LA 15/8/1976
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Post by nonrabbit on Jun 2, 2011 9:14:14 GMT
Our very own Maddog-the Imelda Marcos of boots. . ;D ;D
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 2, 2011 17:41:49 GMT
Why didn't you tell me you wanted a pun?...I would have called maddog Imelda Barcos instead...
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 3, 2011 8:03:13 GMT
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 3, 2011 12:20:24 GMT
That's so 'boot' to use 1977 pictures with a 1971 recording.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 3, 2011 18:00:37 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 6, 2011 8:21:05 GMT
A counterfeit/pirate copy of one of the Tull BBC Transcription Discs: in this case the bootlegger also included a xerox copy of the "paperwork" that was included with the genuine issue
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