tommie
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Post by tommie on Aug 4, 2009 18:31:56 GMT
About a dozen years ago, Ian was on the Howard Stern radio show on K-Rock here in NYC. He said he despised performers who cancelled shows because it made the cancellation INSURANCE rates go up for Ian and others. He brought up Pavorotti saying he cancels alot b/c of voice issues and that Tull never cancels. I found this to be another example of the "money always above the musical integrity" and "money always above giving the fans a decent show" that Ian has exemplified, much to my chagrin. Why.......... Wait for my reason next time
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 4, 2009 18:38:02 GMT
Well, Ian's pick to pick on was not random...Pavoritti's agent's kid was a school pal of mine..Pavirrotti was a notorious sissy/diva...stranding audiences and promoters and , I guess, insurance companies for every whim, cough and little hissy fit. Tull connection: When The Ian approved, Six and Violence singer's dad passed away...I hooked him up with the agent's son to help shift his dad's huge opera collection. It shed light on the six and violence guys Tull passion to learn his dad was a worldwide prominent opera-stuff collector!
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tommie
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Post by tommie on Aug 4, 2009 18:39:43 GMT
Ha! Here I am ......didn't make you guys wait too long for my next part, did I!
The reason I feel this way is........there was one tour where Ian had hurt his knee or something and proceede to do practically the whole tour IN A WHEELCHAIR! Who the f*** wants to see him in a wheelchair. But he didn't want to lose the money, so f888 the fans. He SHOULD have cancelled. Another tour, he did the bulk of the dates hobbling around on a cane. And, all the times his voice has been shot (it's always shot, but more than usual) he never cancelled. It's all about the $ with this guy. Fans are second. And he dares criticize musicians who didn't want to give the fans a terrible show b/c they drive HIS insurance up. To quote Ian....."...What a laugh."
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 4, 2009 18:57:52 GMT
Well...there must be a happy medium between : 'the show must go on' and monty python skit (come back here and fight) perseverance.....I'll admit ian leans a bit toward the legless, armless guy offering to headbutt his enemies!
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Post by tullistray on Aug 4, 2009 19:48:35 GMT
I recall hearing his Pavarotti comments, likely on that Westwood one call in show, where I would get my bi annual Ian interview. He referred to Pavortti as that "fatty Pavorotti" which on the one hand was in very poor taste, on the other the schoolboy in me found chortlingly funny. I have a different perception of the wheelchair tour, I respect Ian's athlete type response to injury, playing thru it. I have heard at least one of those wheelchair tours and he and the band were in fine fettle. Now if it just ain't a Tull show without him bounding about, and from what I can recall from You Tube, he still managed to be very much a showman in his wheelchair, that is an opinion I can respect and you would not be alone in holding it. I suspect if the audience had been asked if they would rather have a refund, no more than ten per cent, if that, would have said yes. As to the voice, o boy am I well apprised of your position, I kind of wish Tull could operate in a different universe for those many who hold that opinion, a universe where they ceased to exist in 78, 84 or whatever year you mark as the precipitous downfall of his voice. In many respects I consider the post 95 years to have included some of their most consistent quality, much as I love all eras of his voice, he will never be found on the list of great vocalists be it 1970 or 2009, you know its really easy not to hear his voice, just don't go to the show, or give the greedy old man another cent. Sometimes, reading your comments, I really wonder why you bother with Tull at all, had I not known otherwise, I would think a Clash fan had invaded the board. Now when I met Ian in 83 I told him to his face outside his home that if Tull were coming out now they would never get on the radio, ditto Pink Floyd and others of the time period, which he took an alternate opinion to, though I heard him pefectly mirror my comments about 10 years later on the radio as regards the strangling effects of the classic rock radio formats. I really wonder how many of these borderling meanspirited opinions you would be willing to offer to the man's face, and offer it without calling him sir or any other ass first methods.
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Post by TM on Aug 4, 2009 20:21:09 GMT
Ha! Here I am ......didn't make you guys wait too long for my next part, did I! The reason I feel this way is........there was one tour where Ian had hurt his knee or something and proceede to do practically the whole tour IN A WHEELCHAIR! Who the f*** wants to see him in a wheelchair. But he didn't want to lose the money, so f888 the fans. He SHOULD have cancelled. Another tour, he did the bulk of the dates hobbling around on a cane. And, all the times his voice has been shot (it's always shot, but more than usual) he never cancelled. It's all about the $ with this guy. Fans are second. And he dares criticize musicians who didn't want to give the fans a terrible show b/c they drive HIS insurance up. To quote Ian....."...What a laugh." I have to agree with you Tommie.
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mmike
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Post by mmike on Aug 4, 2009 22:23:49 GMT
That was the Root's the Branches Tour and I saw him in Tampa at the Sun Dome with 3 others. We were thinking it was an act and Ian would Kick out the wheel chair like the show of old but sadly it didn't happen that way. I the four of us that went it was the best show since the Rock Island tour and none have matched it since in our books. The Vocals we in and out due to that stupid Shure head set and he later abandoned it. He put more energy into that show than I had seen in 20 years and I'm sure the pain killers didn't hurt . It was a great show and lots of new music was played I'd like to see new music played from Tull again but we may have to wait till they are in wheelchairs and using canes ! So the validity of Ian being in a wheelchair and not being able to play is a Myth I'll take those shows over the last 15 years save one... Mike Ha! Here I am ......didn't make you guys wait too long for my next part, did I! The reason I feel this way is........there was one tour where Ian had hurt his knee or something and proceede to do practically the whole tour IN A WHEELCHAIR! Who the f*** wants to see him in a wheelchair. But he didn't want to lose the money, so f888 the fans. He SHOULD have cancelled. Another tour, he did the bulk of the dates hobbling around on a cane. And, all the times his voice has been shot (it's always shot, but more than usual) he never cancelled. It's all about the $ with this guy. Fans are second. And he dares criticize musicians who didn't want to give the fans a terrible show b/c they drive HIS insurance up. To quote Ian....."...What a laugh."
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tommie
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Post by tommie on Aug 4, 2009 23:51:55 GMT
Thanks, TM.
And, to Tullistray, I, indeed, DID say these types of things to hime on TWO different occassions.........Once on the phone and the second time TO HIS FACE....right in front of him. Don't you feel STOO-PID!
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tommie
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Post by tommie on Aug 4, 2009 23:55:55 GMT
P.S. I know I'm a thorn, a pain.......but I'm an honest one. And I love you all....really..for letting me vent.
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Post by tullistray on Aug 5, 2009 4:16:00 GMT
Thanks, TM. And, to Tullistray, I, indeed, DID say these types of things to hime on TWO different occassions.........Once on the phone and the second time TO HIS FACE....right in front of him. Don't you feel STOO-PID! Not only do i not feel stupid, and this is the thing that will hopefully have one of us removed from this board immediately (and believe me Col if it is me that is more than fine)after reading your beligerent response (I, for only one, could smell your stank from the second you and at least one other stepped on this board) I made a point of hunting down your email which curiously you have hidden from the board, as is your cowardly fashion. Number one take your precious Ian story and jam it where the sun don't shine, my intent was to give you my Chicago address, maybe you would like to offer these assumptions to my face, which doubtless over the net you will be more than willing to do, I am in fact eager to be banned from this board if they are going to make way for the likes of you, I assure you, amongst my few assorted skills, coupled with my size, which very certainly is not coupled with fat, I would give you a BEATDOWN of monumental proportions. Do make a point to never address me again, and Col make your choice, as we all wait impatiently for the next exciting installment, it is me or him, so since I know I am banned, HEY COWARD, what is your motherf**king address, then run your cursed mouth.
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 5, 2009 6:55:58 GMT
Tommie - Tullistray
No one will be banned however if the insults or threatening posts continue it may be deemed necessary.
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 5, 2009 7:49:04 GMT
Hey guys. If you want to slag each other off then that's your business but please use the PM facility so the other members of the forum don't have to read your remarks - better still exchange emails and continue between yourseves. And I'm NOT taking sides with anyone. Nonrabbit has put the moderating of this forum into context and in plain and straight forward English for all to read and understand.
Thanks
Maddog
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Post by newtwhoknewtoomuch on Aug 5, 2009 8:04:57 GMT
The diktat that 'The Show Must Go On' is admirable, but all performers would surely recognize that there are times when that's not possible, especially if the quality of the show suffers.
I think it's reasonable to say that a Tull gig has never just been about the music. It's about the way it's presented as well, and the physicality of Ian's performance is an important part of that (albeit a diminishing part as age catches up with him).
For me, if I'd attended a show where Ian was confined to a wheelchair, I would feel extremely unhappy, regardless of the quality of the music.
If a show can't deliver what the audience (or the artist) expects, that's surely a reason to cancel the show.
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