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Post by fatman on Jan 3, 2009 13:07:39 GMT
I love this song. So much so that I must listen to it twice each time I play it, and then I usually can't get it out of my head for several days afterward. Living in NYC, with all the craziness here, I often feel the way the song's protagonist does. Just get me out of here, let me live a simple, happy life in some serene, peaceful place. Ian's singing here is so heartfelt and expressive, the way he whistles then hums in the middle, the reference to the Aqualung character lurching down the street, and the cold realization that Eden does not really exist, give this song an exquisitely painful sense of longing and melancholy.
Jeff
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Post by quizzkid on Jan 3, 2009 13:53:57 GMT
I love this song. So much so that I must listen to it twice each time I play it, and then I usually can't get it out of my head for several days afterward. Living in NYC, with all the craziness here, I often feel the way the song's protagonist does. Just get me out of here, let me live a simple, happy life in some serene, peaceful place. Ian's singing here is so heartfelt and expressive, the way he whistles then hums in the middle, the reference to the Aqualung character lurching down the street, and the cold realization that Eden does not really exist, give this song an exquisitely painful sense of longing and melancholy. Jeff jeff, I am happy to second that, I think it is one of Ian's most under-rated songs, it paints a picture that I have related to on more than one ocassion and shows what a great wordsmith he is.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 3, 2009 14:01:59 GMT
Got to agree with you on this one. A truely great IA song. Love the reference, I believe, to the tramp Aqualung in verse 3
And where on earth are all those songs of Eden. The fairy tales, the shepherds and wise men. Just one old dosser lurching down Oxford Street to spend his Christmas lying in the rain.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 3, 2009 15:03:20 GMT
This song is great...even more so when placed in the context of it's times...early 80's when young people on both sides of the pond were becoming mindless, selfish, ugly yuppies and the dreams of the 60s were replaced by reagenesque and thatchersque permission to be greedy and striving and, through money and things, build your own Eden....everyone was looking for Eden...believed it was right around the next financial corner, envied, coveted, escewed ethics and humanity to accumulate and didn't even see the aforementioned dosser on oxford Street. Leave it to Ian to write a perfect song portrait. ( I know he kinda liked Thatcher...but I also know he donates time and money and awareness to homeless people).
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Post by rebecca on Jan 3, 2009 16:05:32 GMT
Preach it, brother!
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 3, 2009 16:30:53 GMT
Mister Brother to you, lady. You don't know what happens to people who tease me.
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Post by rebecca on Jan 3, 2009 16:47:38 GMT
Mister Brother to you, lady. You don't know what happens to people who tease me. Who's teasing? I'm in total solidarity with you there (but not on Bungle in the Jungle). And now I'm curious about what happens to people who DO tease you.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 3, 2009 17:29:37 GMT
No, no...I agree with you...He who made kittens DID put snakes in the grass...that is un-ironically profound...Bungle was the very first Tull released after Passion Play...so expectations may have been rather high and Bungle a bit offbeat and lightweight....I think the radio stations played Back Door Angels a couple days after unleashing Bungle and a sigh of relief was heard throughout the land that Tull wasn't going all nursery rhymes! I was 16 and managed to sneak into the local FM station, have a friend distract the DJ with dumb questions and STEAL the pre-release War Child and take it home to play for my gang of Tull friends...my first comment, at the beginning of War Child, was ...'.he's added air raid sirens to his list of multi-instruments' and i was quickly shutted up for the serious listening to the new Tull.
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Post by rebecca on Jan 3, 2009 20:39:26 GMT
Within context of the album, I don't think there's any argument against it, but I had the impression from what you said before that you really don't like it.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 3, 2009 21:05:17 GMT
I really don't like Hymn 43 and Twitch in Slime...I don't mind Bungle in the Jungle..in fact it's allright by me, yeah .....i like it even more, after all these years, with all the other man=animal stuff,that ian was chewing on betwen brick and passion play, that has since been released.
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Post by rebecca on Jan 5, 2009 3:43:47 GMT
I really don't like Hymn 43 and Twitch in Slime...I don't mind Bungle in the Jungle..in fact it's allright by me, yeah .....i like it even more, after all these years, with all the other man=animal stuff,that ian was chewing on betwen brick and passion play, that has since been released. I see! What is it about Hymn 43? More the ideas or the music? I always liked it, but wouldn't call it a favorite.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 6, 2009 2:22:26 GMT
I don't know why Hymn 43 is fingernails on the chalkboard...the lyrics are not far from My God...the riffs fit between Son and Locomotive Breath....but since i first heard it, on LITP before I had even bought/heard Aqualung, I didn't like it at all....no explaination....same as loving Furs and Echo but despising U2..........there is a dot com around here called Pandora where they scientifically breakdown songs you like: beats per minute, lyrics, cadence, chords, everything...right down to the DNA of a song...then send your ipod other songs you are supposed to like....i just don't believe in the 'like this-try this' stuff you see around....there is something much more random and personal about music that marketers will not crack like a code, dammit! (preachy voice)... I really like the Iron-Wine-Beard guy....thankful for the forum homework on him
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Post by fatman on Jan 6, 2009 3:45:12 GMT
I don't know why Hymn 43 is fingernails on the chalkboard...the lyrics are not far from My God...the riffs fit between Son and Locomotive Breath....but since i first heard it, on LITP before I had even bought/heard Aqualung, I didn't like it at all....no explaination....same as loving Furs and Echo but despising U2..........there is a dot com around here called Pandora where they scientifically breakdown songs you like: beats per minute, lyrics, cadence, chords, everything...right down to the DNA of a song...then send your ipod other songs you are supposed to like....i just don't believe in the 'like this-try this' stuff you see around....there is something much more random and personal about music that marketers will not crack like a code, dammit! (preachy voice)... I really like the Iron-Wine-Beard guy....thankful for the forum homework on him As a teenager my friends and I always loved Hymn 43 because it was so great to listened to when we were stoned. Jeff
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Post by rebecca on Jan 6, 2009 5:36:48 GMT
I don't know why Hymn 43 is fingernails on the chalkboard...the lyrics are not far from My God...the riffs fit between Son and Locomotive Breath....but since i first heard it, on LITP before I had even bought/heard Aqualung, I didn't like it at all....no explaination....same as loving Furs and Echo but despising U2..........there is a dot com around here called Pandora where they scientifically breakdown songs you like: beats per minute, lyrics, cadence, chords, everything...right down to the DNA of a song...then send your ipod other songs you are supposed to like....i just don't believe in the 'like this-try this' stuff you see around....there is something much more random and personal about music that marketers will not crack like a code, dammit! (preachy voice)... I really like the Iron-Wine-Beard guy....thankful for the forum homework on him It's chemistry! And you're right - that "if you like this you'll like that" usually just leaves somebody feeling disappointed, and even when two people do like exactly the same thing, they rarely like the same things about it - they don't enjoy it in the same way. I think there are many reasons we like or dislike music that go far beyond that song itself - our mind makes associations. Ultimately, we're all listening alone, never experiencing the same thing. Interesting example: I would never have put Psychedellic Furs and Echo and the Bunnymen in the same Basket with U2, except maybe in terms of chronology. (I love U2, by the way!) And I'm glad you like our friend Sam! Free downloads on the website!
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