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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 16:56:39 GMT
Why is it much easier for an British actor to be 'knighted' than a rock star?
As a Canadian, I don't get it. Do you have an explanation?
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 13, 2016 17:15:30 GMT
Why is it much easier for an British actor to be 'knighted' than a rock star?
As a Canadian, I don't get it. Do you have an explanation? I reckon it's all down to what is perceived to be "cool". Captains of industry, politicians seem to accept honours at the drop of a hat. Thespians and rock stars accept honours for services to the arts but are far more inclined to turn them down. Ian Anderson MBE is a nice recognition for all that he has achieved with his musical career.
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Post by jackinthegreen on Feb 13, 2016 21:19:35 GMT
Haven't most "rock stars" done things that shouldn't be honoured........most are not as squeaky clean as Ian Anderson. Don't think we will ever see Sir Keith Richards do you.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 23:25:52 GMT
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 14, 2016 19:39:30 GMT
Haven't most "rock stars" done things that shouldn't be honoured........most are not as squeaky clean as Ian Anderson. Don't think we will ever see Sir Keith Richards do you..... i66.images obliterated by tinypic/70z0is.jpg[/IMG]
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 23:56:02 GMT
"For Queen and Country in the long dying day..."
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 12, 2019 7:26:07 GMT
"For Queen and Country in the long dying day..." And I still maintain that IA should get a Knighthood for his music, his salmon farming activities all those years ago, and his support of animal charities. Make Martin a CBE at the same time Thank you
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:11:23 GMT
Rock Stars Who Have Been Knighted
Sir Rod Stewart.
Bob Geldof, KBE (Knight Commander of the British Empire) - the title of 'Sir' is reserved for British citizens only.
Sir Elton John.
Sir George Martin.
Sir Van Morrison.
Sir Mick Jagger.
Bono, KBE.
Sir Ray Davies.
Jan 1, 2018
Also, Ringo Starr and Barry Gibb. David Bowie turned down the honours.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:18:52 GMT
The Beatles were famously awarded MBEs in 1965, not without controversy, and just as famously John Lennon returned his in 1969, writing in a letter to the Queen: "I am returning my MBE as a protest against Britain's involvement in the Nigeria-Biafra thing, against our support of America in Vietnam and against Cold Turkey slipping down the charts. With love. John Lennon of Bag."
Less well-known is that George Harrison said no to an OBE in the 2000, possibly because his former bandmate Paul McCartney had been knighted in 1997. Journalist Ray Connolly, who knew The Beatles, told the Mail on Sunday, "Whoever it was who decided to offer him the OBE and not the knighthood was extraordinarily insensitive. George would have felt insulted - and with very good reason."
However, Harrison, who died in 2001, never commented on his reasons for turning down the honour.
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Post by bartman6 on Mar 12, 2019 9:24:09 GMT
I think actors, especially the kinds of establishment actors who tend to get the knighthoods, have strong institutions behind them that make the nominations. The Royal Shakespeare Company, the Globe, the west end theatre association, the Garrick club, are all establishment institutions who are comfortable with the idea of nominating people regularly for gongs. Rock musicians tend to be a bit more freelance, and record companies less well plugged in to the kinds of old school networks in London where knighthoods get brokered. I was part of a nomination process that put someone ( a retired professor) up for a knighthood once, but he only got a CBE instead. Clearly I'm too much of an oik to say the right things.
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 12, 2019 15:13:51 GMT
I think actors, especially the kinds of establishment actors who tend to get the knighthoods, have strong institutions behind them that make the nominations. The Royal Shakespeare Company, the Globe, the west end theatre association, the Garrick club, are all establishment institutions who are comfortable with the idea of nominating people regularly for gongs. Rock musicians tend to be a bit more freelance, and record companies less well plugged in to the kinds of old school networks in London where knighthoods get brokered. I was part of a nomination process that put someone ( a retired professor) up for a knighthood once, but he only got a CBE instead. Clearly I'm too much of an oik to say the right things. I would be good if someone at Warners/Chrysalis/Parlophone had the clout to at least nominate IA and MB. But then it may be down to unit sales as to whether one gets a gong, and not whether the person concerned has contributed to the furtherance of music. Welcome to our hallowed halls
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Post by greg on Mar 13, 2019 9:05:03 GMT
Thanks Maddog, I've actually been lurking around for a while, but forgot my bloomin' password, so had to make up a new account for that post. Now I'm back under my own name, having remembered the old password (it's age that does it...). You're right, of course. There ought to be someone in the record company/companies that has enough memory to realise the huge contribution that Ian and Martin have made to rock history, and in Ian's case to the local economies in Skye and Aberdeen too. But I wonder if there is anyone who has been there that long. Did either of the founders of Chrysalis ever get gongs, btw? That would be a good index of how much clout the record companies have in royal/cabinet office circles.
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Post by bunkerfan on Mar 13, 2019 9:38:22 GMT
Thanks Maddog, I've actually been lurking around for a while, but forgot my bloomin' password, so had to make up a new account for that post. Now I'm back under my own name, having remembered the old password (it's age that does it...). You're right, of course. There ought to be someone in the record company/companies that has enough memory to realise the huge contribution that Ian and Martin have made to rock history, and in Ian's case to the local economies in Skye and Aberdeen too. But I wonder if there is anyone who has been there that long. Did either of the founders of Chrysalis ever get gongs, btw? That would be a good index of how much clout the record companies have in royal/cabinet office circles. Good to have you back greg and nice to know you've been "lurking around for a while."
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 13, 2019 15:20:37 GMT
Thanks Maddog, I've actually been lurking around for a while, but forgot my bloomin' password, so had to make up a new account for that post. Now I'm back under my own name, having remembered the old password (it's age that does it...). You're right, of course. There ought to be someone in the record company/companies that has enough memory to realise the huge contribution that Ian and Martin have made to rock history, and in Ian's case to the local economies in Skye and Aberdeen too. But I wonder if there is anyone who has been there that long. Did either of the founders of Chrysalis ever get gongs, btw? That would be a good index of how much clout the record companies have in royal/cabinet office circles. Chris Wright has a CBE but Terry Ellis remains "gongless" which seems a bit unfair, at least in my eyes.
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Post by greg on Mar 14, 2019 8:19:43 GMT
That does seem odd, but hasn't Chris Wright in his latter years been a sports administrator too (at QPR?), which might be why he got his? That would be more evidence that being in rock music alone doesn't get you onto the awards radar...
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 14, 2019 10:29:28 GMT
That does seem odd, but hasn't Chris Wright in his latter years been a sports administrator too (at QPR?), which might be why he got his? That would be more evidence that being in rock music alone doesn't get you onto the awards radar... It would be amusing to think that say Ian Anderson and Martin Barre had led more flamboyant lifestyles (flute shaped swimming pool/a car for every day of the week/wrecked a few hotel rooms etc) then the people who finally decide the honours might have taken notice. My Mother got a BEM after 50 years with the WRVS so the system does work, sometimes.
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Post by greg on Mar 14, 2019 13:53:03 GMT
Yes indeed. Or just been in the top ten singles chart more often. And well done to your mother!
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 15, 2019 7:26:03 GMT
Yes indeed. Or just been in the top ten singles chart more often. And well done to your mother! Thanks - a family heirloom to pass down the generations. Still think IA should wreck a few hotel bedrooms or swear during his next tv interview to gain a knighthood methinks ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 0:04:46 GMT
Still think IA should wreck a few hotel bedrooms or swear during his next tv interview to gain a knighthood methinks ? Unfortunately, controversial behaviour hasn't helped Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, whose debauchery- especially during the 1973 "Houses of the Holy" tour- is legendary. They have yet to be knighted, although Plant received his MBE just a year after Anderson. Rumour has it that Eric Clapton is next in line to receive the top honour.
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 17, 2019 7:44:05 GMT
Still think IA should wreck a few hotel bedrooms or swear during his next tv interview to gain a knighthood methinks ? Unfortunately, controversial behaviour hasn't helped Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, whose debauchery- especially during the 1973 "Houses of the Holy" tour- is legendary. They have yet to be knighted, although Plant received his MBE just a year after Anderson. Rumour has it that Eric Clapton is next in line to receive the top honour. Yes, Eric is, no doubt, on the list for a knighthood considering his use of naughty substances during his lifetime as well as his guitar playing especially, in my view, with John Mayall and Cream. And what about Keith Richards - acknowledged drug abuse besides, he put the rock 'n' roll into the Stones as much as Brian or Mick and, to this day, has got nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 8:02:01 GMT
From a 2003 newspaper article:Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards has hit out at bandmate Mick Jagger's "ludicrous" decision to accept a knighthood. Richards said he did not want to go on stage with someone wearing a "coronet and sporting the old ermine" and told the singer it was a "paltry honour". "It sent out the wrong message. It's not what the Stones is about, is it?" Richards told Uncut magazine. Jagger will attend an investiture ceremony with the Queen on 12 December. "I thought it was ludicrous to take one of those gongs from the establishment when they did their very best to throw us in jail," Richards said. Richards and Jagger were imprisoned for drug offences in 1967, but the convictions were later overturned on appeal. The singer defended his decision to accept the knighthood by saying Prime Minister Tony Blair insisted that he agreed, Richards said. "Like that's an excuse. Like you can't turn down anything. Like it doesn't depend how you feel about it." Richards said he doubted he would be offered an honour "because they know what I would've said... they knew I'd tell them where they could put it."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 8:40:19 GMT
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