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Post by JTull 007 on May 3, 2014 16:00:17 GMT
That building would be a lot prettier without the crap neon on it.... what kind of idiot marketing types allow that to happen ? LOL! The same guys that make blacklights for the Ian Anderson Tull Cavern
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 16:45:40 GMT
Songs From the Wood - Yikes - I hate to be negative - that's a tough one to sing at the best of times.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 16:50:13 GMT
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Post by ash on May 3, 2014 18:26:43 GMT
That building would be a lot prettier without the crap neon on it....what kind of idiot marketing types allow that to happen ? A big one
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Post by karma41 on May 3, 2014 18:39:58 GMT
Sadly there was a moment of unwelcome drama during Aqualung when an audience member, clearly unhappy wth poor old Ryan singing some of that song, stormed down to the stage, tore his ticket into little pieces, threw it over Ryan & then left the hall. Mmmm, unacceptable behaviour from a Tull fan (assuming he was) methinks not to mention being utterly misguided. Ian needs to reduce his vocal burden & it was a brave & sensible move on his part to bring in Ryan - I've yet to hear anyone disagree with Ryan's presence in the band & personally I think he adds a subtley quirky element to the show which works well. So, if you're reading this Ryan - ignore what happened & carry on doing a great job. And if whoever stormed out is reading this just 2 words - grow up! terrible stuff to witness this crap from a fellow human being. Sorry for Ryan having to endure this stuff for merely doing his paid job as a session musician which is all he is and doing what is required well. But maybe this is where we have a problem now boys and girls ( not defending this behaviour by any stretch mind because its crap). just think for a moment tho this guy has been a hardcore Tull fan for many many many years. hes maybe paid good money to see IA perform HE and best of TULL (who now dont exist apparently according to wilkipedia) Who would he expect to sing the Tull stuff Answers on a postcard Like i said not condoning his behaviour But there is now seriuos confusion with seriuos TULL fans IA said hes finished with TULL 2011 but now his solo band is ATTEMPTING to sound like classic Tull . And play classic Tull 2nd set. Hmmm just dont get it to be honest ? theres a lot of passionate Tull fans out there unfortunatley . So we dont build a monument to Martin but we build 1 to Ian who is all/everything Tull and did everything from day 1 to make Tull a great band. the other guys were just passengers/former members yes? ?? Well im a huge fan of IA but sorry to be honest (puts knife proof vest on)but IA was the weakest member of the This Was lineup FULL STOP After This Was IA had great vision but he simply couldnt have done it on his own MA = top drawer blues rock player ,legend strongest player on This Was MB = geniuos on the guitar (in the record books best solo tp 100 for Aqaua, pretty good stuff for just another 'former member' ha ha) Clive/Barrie probably the best drummers england has ever witnessed even according to Bonham Glen = best Tull bass player EVER STILL John Evans no one gets near on the piano David Palmer MASSIVE MASSIVE MASSIVE part of shaping of Tull TULL WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED WITHOUT THESES GUYS ,END OFF ,im pretty sure these guys made IA What he is today. IA current guys are just copying these legends,accept the cold facts,they have created nothing of interest to date . IA is a legend but never underestimate the early lineup's input to making TULL THE BEST BAND EVER. Ive personally gave up on IA now as i just dont see it as a sincere/interesting band like TULL was once upon a time. The OTT THEATRICAL STUFF/ METAL GUITAR NOT FOR ME. Slob and RD great albums TAAB2 and HE not so I would feel great if IA followed up the likes of RD ,SLOB as like he said he doesnt want to do TULL MUSIC anymore But to try to be TULL in disguise is possibly where some fans have an issue Rant over lol. To each his own I guess. I think the new band is excellent. Few, if any, of the members of the various early line-ups started as accomplished musicians. They grew into their parts. Why does the new line-up not get the same chance? I think TAAB2 is good, but uneven. HE, on the other hand, is excellent. I have not been this excited to be a Tull fan in 20 years. I would have to disagree. I think Ian Anderson would have done just fine with any decent musicians. I love MB and his sound is fabulous ... as was MAs. I just think that Ian is what has made Tull. I wish MB were still playing with the band but, in all honesty, the last few years of Tull concerts were boring and uninventive. I was pretty much done with seeing them as Ian struggled to sing the classic Tull songs in the many "Best Of" tours that preceded TAAB2. It was only seeing Ian solo that kept me interested. My preference, in a perfect world, would have seen Ian and Martin rearrange the original Tull songs to suit his changing vocal range. So for me, the band that Ian is touring with has been the same band that I have seen for the past 5 years or so. I appreciate Tull for what they were and I appreciate Ian for what he is. If Martin were to tour the US I would see him as well. I just disagree that Ian needed the various Tull members to be successful. It is more like they needed Ian. That's just my take.
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Post by onewhiteduck on May 3, 2014 20:55:40 GMT
I'm just happy that in 2014 I will see both Ian Anderson and Martin Barre live. Some three years ago no one could have told me we would have had TAAB 2, Homo Erraticus and Away With Words. Along with the great live shows. What defines 'Classic Tull' it appears that is the period up to 1979 (things have not just changed in the last few years with the departure of MB and DP )When Giddings and Noyce were replaced and Goodier and O'Hara came in, I thought the one particular live show I saw in Cardiff ( 40th ) tour was one of the best of the 80 or so I've seen and saying that TAAB 2 is up ther as well. I could go on but I'm bored of the whole thing. Did Classic Tull finish 35 years ago ....... nah I think not.Did they win a Grammy in 1987? and another thing........ John Glascock was the best Bass Player. In my opinion. Onef**kofmetallicaduck
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Post by jackinthegreen on May 3, 2014 21:10:34 GMT
I'm just happy that in 2014 I will see both Ian Anderson and Martin Barre live. Some three years ago no one could have told me we would have had TAAB 2, Homo Erraticus and Away With Words. Along with the great live shows. What defines 'Classic Tull' it appears that is the period up to 1979 (things have not just changed in the last few years with the departure of MB and DP )When Giddings and Noyce were replaced and Goodier and O'Hara came in, I thought the one particular live show I saw in Cardiff ( 40th ) tour was one of the best of the 80 or so I've seen and saying that TAAB 2 is up ther as well. I could go on but I'm bored of the whole thing. Did Classic Tull finish 35 years ago ....... nah I think not.Did they win a Grammy in 1987? and another thing........ John Glascock was the best Bass Player. In my opinion. Onef**kofmetallicaduck It has been said by some that Ian and the present band are like a tribute act... ...no, if Ian is there it isn't, but to me the stuff Martin is doing is just that... ..and for me, his Away with Words album was very poor...... Totally agree on John Glascock
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Post by craigz on May 3, 2014 21:38:51 GMT
It has been said by some that Ian and the present band are like a tribute act... ...no, if Ian is there it isn't, but to me the stuff Martin is doing is just that... ..and for me, his Away with Words album was very poor...... Totally agree on John Glascock I imagine some would say that only Anderson, Abrahams, Cornick, and Bunker are the true Jethro Tull. All other line-ups have been tribute acts. I wonder how many early Tull fans were horrified that Abrahams was replaced by this upstart named Martin Barre.
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Post by bassackwards on May 3, 2014 22:52:46 GMT
It has been said by some that Ian and the present band are like a tribute act... ...no, if Ian is there it isn't, but to me the stuff Martin is doing is just that... ..and for me, his Away with Words album was very poor...... Totally agree on John Glascock I imagine some would say that only Anderson, Abrahams, Cornick, and Bunker are the true Jethro Tull. All other line-ups have been tribute acts. I wonder how many early Tull fans were horrified that Abrahams was replaced by this upstart named Martin Barre. Yea, Martin had to audition. I guess he was just another "hired gun"
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Post by steelmonkey on May 4, 2014 1:54:49 GMT
My single word review of 'Best of Tull' part of concert based solely on reviews and 3 songs on you tube; Generous Ian and the boys are giving good, warm, wonderful TULL...and I haven't seen Critique Oblique yet !
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Post by craigz on May 4, 2014 3:33:16 GMT
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Post by Essan on May 4, 2014 7:07:02 GMT
Downloaded the show yesterday, but am resisting listening until after Oxford tonight
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Post by ash on May 4, 2014 8:56:21 GMT
Downloaded the show yesterday, but am resisting listening until after Oxford tonight I'll be in the Stalls second row back
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Post by maddogfagin on May 4, 2014 9:01:18 GMT
It has been said by some that Ian and the present band are like a tribute act... ...no, if Ian is there it isn't, but to me the stuff Martin is doing is just that... ..and for me, his Away with Words album was very poor...... Totally agree on John Glascock I imagine some would say that only Anderson, Abrahams, Cornick, and Bunker are the true Jethro Tull. All other line-ups have been tribute acts. I wonder how many early Tull fans were horrified that Abrahams was replaced by this upstart named Martin Barre. There was quite a bit of bad press at the time in papers such as Melody Maker/Record Mirror/Sounds etc about Mick leaving Tull although not as lively as the present with regard to MB and FO. Mick had a loyal following and quite a few bad mouthed IA in the letter pages of the music press when in fact the dirty deed of sacking Mick was done by Terry Ellis. From Tullpress www.tullpress.com/MELODY MAKER
21 December 1968
GUITARIST ABRAHAMS LEAVES JETHRO TULL
Guitarist Mick Abrahams has left Jethro Tull and will form his own group after disagreements over musical policy.
Terry Ellis, manager of Jethro Tull, told MM:
For some time, Mick has disagreed with the basic policies, both musically and otherwise, of Jethro Tull.
A permanent replacement has not been found. At press-time the group were using various deps, including Tony Iommi from Birmingham group Earth. He stood in during the group's spot in the Rolling Stones' TV spectacular, the Rolling Stones' Rock And Roll Circus.
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Post by maddogfagin on May 4, 2014 9:18:45 GMT
Downloaded the show yesterday, but am resisting listening until after Oxford tonight I'll be in the Stalls second row back Have a great show Ash & Essan. Hope you get to meet up
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Post by nonrabbit on May 4, 2014 9:29:18 GMT
Terry Ellis, manager of Jethro Tull, told MM: For some time, Mick has disagreed with the basic policies, both musically and otherwise, of Jethro Tull. A permanent replacement has not been found. At press-time the group were using various deps, including Tony Iommi from Birmingham group Earth. He stood in during the group's spot in the Rolling Stones' TV spectacular, the Rolling Stones' Rock And Roll Circus. [/quote] I asked Terry that question, well in a roundabout way. "There's been a few band member changes in Tull throughout the decades. During your time as manager how did you feel having the task of breaking the news and how much of an input did you have as manager on band member changes? A. Changes were musical decisions made by Ian. It is never easy to give someone bad news, but if Ian asked me to help, then I was there, as I always tried to be.
Read more: www.jethrotull.proboards.com/thread/1895/terry-ellis#ixzz30jkcV5tfIn the bigger picture while it's understandable that any change in the dynamics of a band is bound to cause a bit of a stir - we all remember the music press furore when any changes happened in bands - Stones guitarist etc and how a new member has the potential capability of changing the familiar sound of the band....question is... when is a band a band? And is it a marmite* like question? marmite* you either like the sticky, dark brown food paste or you don't.
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Post by nonrabbit on May 4, 2014 9:32:13 GMT
I'll be in the Stalls second row back Have a great show Ash & Essan. Hope you get to meet up Yes in fact we should be sending out badges to our members.... Have a great great show Ash and Essan!!! ♥
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Post by Essan on May 4, 2014 11:33:41 GMT
Downloaded the show yesterday, but am resisting listening until after Oxford tonight I'll be in the Stalls second row back Front row, right hand side And outside smoking a pipe during the interval
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Post by ash on May 4, 2014 12:59:55 GMT
I'll be in the Stalls second row back Front row, right hand side And outside smoking a pipe during the interval OK, I'm centre stalls two seats in on the hand right side. I'm the guy on the left in my avatar
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Post by Essan on May 4, 2014 13:17:17 GMT
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Post by JTull 007 on May 4, 2014 15:31:57 GMT
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Post by JTull 007 on May 4, 2014 16:05:52 GMT
Let's take a tour inside the New Theatre Oxford
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Post by stevep on May 4, 2014 17:57:21 GMT
Would anyone be interested in two tickets for the 16th May at the Sage in Newcastle? I am working in Italy and have decided to give the concert a miss.
Would be happy for whoever gets them just to make a contribution to a charity (NSPCC or cancer Research UK).
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Post by craigz on May 5, 2014 1:56:04 GMT
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Post by JTull 007 on May 5, 2014 2:18:22 GMT
OMG ! During her five-year reign, she had over 280 religious dissenters burned at the stake in the Marian persecutions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_I_of_England It appears that all the videos from Liverpool have now been blocked. The heavy hand of BMG is upon us. Fortunately I was able to save mine using a FLV Downloader App. This year will be unlike 2012-2013.
Any future videos will obviously be scrutinized by the powers that be. All I can say is OMG!
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Post by Equus on May 5, 2014 5:24:40 GMT
My God Ian...?? Why on earth isn't Ryan singing this song all the way... This may call for a little handbag diplomacy...
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Post by Essan on May 5, 2014 7:56:43 GMT
Well, by my cold dead reckoning that was a great night in Oxford - just a shame there were so many empty seats! Sorry didn't get to meet you Ash - I think I saw you (and Mrs Ash?) but didn't get a change to catch your attention. We'll have to get our act together next time and meet up for a pre-concert drink I'll not say too much about the show as I'd not want to spoil a few surprises for those yet to see it (and who haven't heard the Brighton bootleg) but, like TAAB2 the album is very much the soundtrack of a stage show and the use of the big video backdrop worked very well - although, as I think someone else said, at times it was almost a distraction from the guys on stage! Seeing HE live has reaffirmed to me just how good some of the songs are - and I remain convinced that Cold Dead Reckoning is not only one of Ian's best ever songs but also one of his heaviest. The 'best of Tull' was the best, 'best of Tull' I've seen - Ryan helping on the vocals really works well, taking the pressure off Ian and leaving him to concentrate on being the mad, one-legged flute player. He did miss his cue though at one point during SFTW. Oops! There's a few moments when Ian and Florian are going head to head when you think "why isn't that Martin?" but then you notice just how revitalised Ian is, and the way some of the old standards have been reworked (finally a great version of Loco Breathe worthy of the encore!) and wonder whether maybe that's not entirely coincidence? Must watch 'Live in Montreaux' later to remind myself just how boring the Aqualung tracks had become .....
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Post by maddogfagin on May 5, 2014 8:53:53 GMT
Well, by my cold dead reckoning that was a great night in Oxford - just a shame there were so many empty seats! Sorry didn't get to meet you Ash - I think I saw you (and Mrs Ash?) but didn't get a change to catch your attention. We'll have to get our act together next time and meet up for a pre-concert drink I'll not say too much about the show as I'd not want to spoil a few surprises for those yet to see it (and who haven't heard the Brighton bootleg) but, like TAAB2 the album is very much the soundtrack of a stage show and the use of the big video backdrop worked very well - although, as I think someone else said, at times it was almost a distraction from the guys on stage! Seeing HE live has reaffirmed to me just how good some of the songs are - and I remain convinced that Cold Dead Reckoning is not only one of Ian's best ever songs but also one of his heaviest. The 'best of Tull' was the best, 'best of Tull' I've seen - Ryan helping on the vocals really works well, taking the pressure off Ian and leaving him to concentrate on being the mad, one-legged flute player. He did miss his cue though at one point during SFTW. Oops! There's a few moments when Ian and Florian are going head to head when you think "why isn't that Martin?" but then you notice just how revitalised Ian is, and the way some of the old standards have been reworked (finally a great version of Loco Breathe worthy of the encore!) and wonder whether maybe that's not entirely coincidence?Must watch 'Live in Montreaux' later to remind myself just how boring the Aqualung tracks had become ..... Great review essan - many thanks. Your point about Ian and Flo going "head to head" is a good one. I noticed that as did I expect many others at Salisbury. Could be that at the age of 66 he's found a great group of musicians to play his music with and is enjoying every minute of the experience. That's not to denigrate Martin's involvement in the past but maybe the relationship between Ian and Martin had become just a wee bit staid and things needed to change.
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Post by ash on May 5, 2014 11:14:08 GMT
Well, by my cold dead reckoning that was a great night in Oxford - just a shame there were so many empty seats! Sorry didn't get to meet you Ash - I think I saw you (and Mrs Ash?) but didn't get a change to catch your attention. We'll have to get our act together next time and meet up for a pre-concert drink I'll not say too much about the show as I'd not want to spoil a few surprises for those yet to see it (and who haven't heard the Brighton bootleg) but, like TAAB2 the album is very much the soundtrack of a stage show and the use of the big video backdrop worked very well - although, as I think someone else said, at times it was almost a distraction from the guys on stage! Seeing HE live has reaffirmed to me just how good some of the songs are - and I remain convinced that Cold Dead Reckoning is not only one of Ian's best ever songs but also one of his heaviest. The 'best of Tull' was the best, 'best of Tull' I've seen - Ryan helping on the vocals really works well, taking the pressure off Ian and leaving him to concentrate on being the mad, one-legged flute player. He did miss his cue though at one point during SFTW. Oops! There's a few moments when Ian and Florian are going head to head when you think "why isn't that Martin?" but then you notice just how revitalised Ian is, and the way some of the old standards have been reworked (finally a great version of Loco Breathe worthy of the encore!) and wonder whether maybe that's not entirely coincidence? Must watch 'Live in Montreaux' later to remind myself just how boring the Aqualung tracks had become ..... Sorry we didn't meet up, I must have been in the bar I really didn't find the the background a distraction, in fact I found it added greatly to the event and was one of the best concerts of Ian's I've been too for many years I tried my best to get a few photos but the New theatre have this jobs worth woman who goes around picking on any one with a phone or camera. Before the concert Debbie and I were turning off the sound on our phones and she started having a go about taking photos . Any way I did take some and just totally ignored her when she came over later on. IA concert May 4th 11 by Ashley.R.G, on Flickr IA concert May 4th 10 by Ashley.R.G, on Flickr IA concert May 4th 7 crop by Ashley.R.G, on Flickr IA concert May 4th 4 crop by Ashley.R.G, on Flickr IA concert May 4th 6 by Ashley.R.G, on Flickr IA concert May 4th 8 by Ashley.R.G, on Flickr And yes I did.... IA concert May 4th 14 by Ashley.R.G, on Flickr Oxford May 4th 2014 by Ashley.R.G, on Flickr
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Post by nonrabbit on May 5, 2014 11:36:12 GMT
This is one of my favourite times in the Tull calendar - the reviews and pics of the shows. Great stuff so far! Great photos Ash! That last one looks suspiciously like Ian has given you a fifty pound note - the one that's no longer legal tender. It cracks me up the way he carries a pen - practical in case you haven't got one and preventative like the queen and her gloves in case he catches any nasty diseases from us peasants. Thanks Boys and do tell us more when the mind and body is settled.
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