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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 19, 2012 17:37:12 GMT
18th October 1970 LA Forum i47.images obliterated by tinypic/mkbvyp.jpg[/IMG] Set list (ministry of Tull) Sold-out show (audience: 18,600). Support: Charles Lloyd, It's A Beautiful Day. Nothing Is Easy, My God (incl. flute solo), With You There To Help Me/By Kind Permission Of..., A Song For Jeffrey, Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, Dharma For One (w. drum solo), We Used To Know, Guitar Solo, For A Thousand Mothers. Would have heard Live the likes of this; Live at Carnagie Hall 1970
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Post by jackinthegreen on Aug 19, 2012 18:37:47 GMT
Love Sossity....... I don't know about the early Tull live.... ......it's all a bit eccentric and a bit strange, the 1970 Carnegie Hall stuff and the Isle of Wight too... .... I guess it would've been great at the time, but it doesn't wear well in my opinion... ...I think I'd rather see the Brick 72 tour again which I think was brilliant, but is that just because I was there, I don't know tbh....
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 19, 2012 19:05:04 GMT
'White Bird' is a great song, maybe 4 times a year....but once a day on some classic rock/oldie stations it gets old fast !
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Post by tullist on Aug 19, 2012 19:25:30 GMT
Love Sossity....... I don't know about the early Tull live.... ......it's all a bit eccentric and a bit strange, the 1970 Carnegie Hall stuff and the Isle of Wight too... .... I guess it would've been great at the time, but it doesn't wear well in my opinion... ...I think I'd rather see the Brick 72 tour again which I think was brilliant, but is that just because I was there, I don't know tbh.... Pretty much totally agree. While this is the beloved being referred to, I do find their attempts at improvisation sometimes not so good in that period, and in others, (though as time went on it was less a question of facility so much as those were the parts that Ian clearly did not write, and it shows, say a Peter Vittese synthesizer bit)but it also depends upon how early. So impressed am I with those 2 shows from January 69 opening for Jimi in Stockholm, and very definitely including the improv parts like "Martins tune", and figuring in the BBC stuff recorded in 68 and 9 maybe the unqualified wankery begins around the time John Evan joined. Believe me all of this has a huge asterisk, it is Tull. And I can even think of exceptions in 70 and 71, just not necessarily on the officially released stuff. And I know had the first time seeiing them been in 70 or 71 I would have been taken in just the same. Additionally the portative pipe years sometimes had moments, maybe Barries solos not sure of what, that do not stand up so well. Strictly in terms of group musicianship in a live context, I do not believe the band has ever been stronger than the past 20, 25 years. Yet I never loved them more than in those earliest years, seeing them first and pretty much every time since May 72. Hey Bernie, White Bird being in any sense overplayed I suspect to be something of a Bay Area phenomenon, partly because they are from there I suspect. We have a similar thing in Chicago with the song Lake Shore Drive, Aliota Haynes and Jeeremiah. While not a hideous song or anything it wore out its welcome in about 76 but has never gone away. Hot Summer Day=Choice biscuit.
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 19, 2012 20:35:02 GMT
I can well imagine White Bird (still) being overplayed in Cali however in Glasgow, on yet another wet and dreary night aka 72/73 the album was an exotic beast, passed around the room with reverance and probably not to me as I didn't treat vinyl with the due care that the geek with the 120 cardboard boxes of vinyls expected me too. There was a bloke who looked a lot like the small one in the Hairy Bikers who went to a fancy (hippie) dress ball as the girl on the front of the album - straw hat an all. That was a very brave thing to do then in macho "I drink till I drop and any man with long hair is a dirty hippie and a raging poofter" Glasgow! White Bird was held in complete awe over here and I will always be thankful to the man who worked with me in Mars - Slough, years later, who on one, long, night shift when we were all talking about music and It's A beautiful ..... came up - gave me a pristine copy of the album which I still have to this day. There are some really nice people out there.....
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 19, 2012 20:41:41 GMT
But you gotta admit...David LaFlame is the gayest name EVER
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Post by tullist on Aug 19, 2012 22:38:36 GMT
For what its worth, Its A Beautiful Day, Big Brother, the Zombies, and the earliest kind of Jefferson Starship, re Blows Against The Empire, way removed from the Red Octupus and god knows the We Built This City Starship, as well as of course the Doors have been out and about in recent years. Would not be at all surprised if some or all are worth seeing, maybe especially now with original members alive. But I believe, sort of like with the classical composers, various jazz guys, particularly Ellington, most of those bands made enough good to great music that their music does bear investigation by future ensembles for future generations. Been very true in the case of imitators of Elvis, the Beatles, Pink Floyd and early Genesis all with name ensembles of people interpreting and imitating that music. One version of the local/international band American English, the one that was around between about 97 and 04 (Beatles)were so damn good, and looked and sounded so much like them even though they came from suburban Chicago that they re invigorated the knowledge that for all the music I have ever been beholden to, obviously Tull, nothing ever hit harder than the Beatles. Basically reminded me who my real favorite group was, not that I really had ever forgotten. They even had the 5th guy, though he did not look the least bit like George Martin, to recreate the post 66 sounds, and I mean to the letter. Also they had George's sister Louise Harrison as manager, and Sam Leach, the Beatles original promoter from the dates in the north of England, maybe circa 61 thru 3, as a sort of promoter, (lending authenticity as compere when it came to stage introductions, always referencing all the Beatles imitators he had seen since the days when he would ring up Paul McCartney to make him aware of various potential dates, he would always close mentioning that in the case of American English lightning had been caught in a bottle a second time, and they would come out in those exact suits from the same tailor and storm thru Twist and Shout with the John guy Kevin, an old buddy now, with his legs apart just like John just leaning into it, the Paul and George guy of course doing those harmonies into the same microphone just soaring, and Ringo splashing that groove, you closed your eyes, it was the real thing ) came over in the summer. These guys were so damn good they became my social life for about 5 years and had every aspect be it appearance, precise same instruments and amplifiers, re VOX, the back and forth stuff between John and Paul, John doing the spastic walk and boot stomp, a repartee with the audience identical, even fooled Liverpudlians, the very way they stood on stage, first sets as the early Beatles that were highly dancable, songs I may have been comparitively indiffrent to on albums, like Bad Boy just kicked ass, got very sweaty down there, loads of cute girls across the age spectrum too, (something my Tull rarely provides, but they do provide quality ones) plus playing the entire catalogue, not just a greatest hits show, including solo stuff performed as the Beatles right up to George's last album (the Paul guy learned to play his instrument left handed for chrissakes)down to such a point that it was hard to imagine the real thing topping them. Well, there again maybe not, but they were lightning and a real reminder of the potency the Beatles had in their moment, much as it has never ended in real time it was much stronger still, but a very long time ago. I saw them do performances many times of the likes of "Side 2" of Abbey Road that were holy moments. Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World" Yes you could say she was attractively built. Yeah yeah yeah. And may I add a YEAH! Actually named after one of their Cavern Club fans, Polythene Pat who would EAT the stuff. Be it known that though this band still exists and is still successful with a different John and George, (they went with Louise to form the enormously successful Liverpool Legends after some real life disagreement)they very certainly no longer come with my endorsement. Even though the Ringo guy basically is Ringo, its sick, right down to the way he hits the cymbals and his identical voice and appearance, that magic is gone with a 5 ft tall John Lennon or whatever that dwarf guy is, but for several shining moments actual Beatles magic, absolutely nothing like it, covered from before the beginning to after the end. It was a further reminder that absolutely nothing could have been changed in the actual Beatles and retain the magic. People can make what ever ill informed judgements on Ringo for instance, but believe me, if one tiny thing had been changed it would not have happened, for all the great music so much of it was extra musical.
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 20, 2012 7:55:55 GMT
But you gotta admit...David LaFlame is the gayest name EVER Exotic!! it was all exotic then man However trust the Brits to bring it all back down to earth.. with a polite sigh....... A recent interview with David La Flamme in what looks like some restaurant ( or maybe old folks home) stuck between two fridges.................why? and bloody hell talk about your friends looking older !! How old is David? This is unintentionally hilarious.
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Post by jackinthegreen on Aug 20, 2012 23:14:05 GMT
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 21, 2012 8:07:38 GMT
Exactly jack Did you see who's playing on Saturday? I'd love to see the Peatbog Faeries Live and the bloke thats on before - wonder if there'll be a bit of a natter about Skye where the Peatbogs are from? Seth Lakeman Katzenjammer Simon & Oscar from Ocean Colour Scene (Acoustic) Jethro Tull’s Ian Anderson plays Thick as a Brick The Peatbog Faeries Benjamin Francis Leftwich Show of Hands Richard Thompson Chris Wood Billy Bragg celebrates Woody Guthrie’s 100th Birthday Larkin Poe Emily Barker & The Red Clay Halo Union Starr The Travelling Band Rev Hammer Fay Hield & the Hurricane Party Liz Green Juan Zelada Sam Carter The Miserable Rich Levellers Acoustic The Jam Tarts Choir The Fabbies Conrad Vingoe Love the Peatbogs!
When the Seahound left Me.... from the album Croftwork www.myspace.com/peatbogfaeries/music/songs/when-the-sea-hound-left-me-27203478
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Post by gongsi on Aug 22, 2012 3:42:31 GMT
Would not be at all surprised if some or all are worth seeing, maybe especially now with original members alive.
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Post by jackinthegreen on Aug 23, 2012 22:46:35 GMT
Exactly jack Did you see who's playing on Saturday? I'd love to see the Peatbog Faeries Live and the bloke thats on before - wonder if there'll be a bit of a natter about Skye where the Peatbogs are from? Seth Lakeman Katzenjammer Simon & Oscar from Ocean Colour Scene (Acoustic) Jethro Tull’s Ian Anderson plays Thick as a Brick The Peatbog Faeries Benjamin Francis Leftwich Show of Hands Richard Thompson Chris Wood Billy Bragg celebrates Woody Guthrie’s 100th Birthday Larkin Poe Emily Barker & The Red Clay Halo Union Starr The Travelling Band Rev Hammer Fay Hield & the Hurricane Party Liz Green Juan Zelada Sam Carter The Miserable Rich Levellers Acoustic The Jam Tarts Choir The Fabbies Conrad Vingoe Love the Peatbogs!
When the Seahound left Me.... from the album Croftwork www.myspace.com/peatbogfaeries/music/songs/when-the-sea-hound-left-me-27203478That's a really nice tune........ I'm going to look into more of those guys.......my wife and I spent three lovely days on Skye just last month, it was magic..... We had no rain........ We drove over 200 miles on the Isle, it was beautiful.......we went to Elgol, along Ian's old gaff..........didn't see the house he had stayed in though..... Lovely trip............
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 8, 2012 10:11:33 GMT
The furthest I've been in Teuchterland- west that is, is the start of the Great Glen. I must.. must... do the train journey and then when I'm fitter the West Highland Way!
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 8, 2012 10:15:15 GMT
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