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Post by janu on Apr 7, 2013 7:26:41 GMT
Excellent and staid interview, thanks for adding, Remy , and also David for your great job with the questions. In San Javier, Spain, last July, Ryan was also enjoying a lot the whole show because I was present at that magic night and I can confirm it as being proudly sat down on a splendid second row seeing and checking out a Ryan's plethoric performance, what a luck! He also looked at me during the show, I was laughing and happy becauso of this he did it rather perfect that night. ;D And as I got a couple of Tullianos back stage cards, my wife and I, after the Tow Bricks show, we could meet Ryan and of course Ian and every member of the "new band" , I hope the future Tull, and hence I was able to photograph alongside the kind and great Ryan, definitely "un gran chico". Long Live Tull !! (or whatever you now call it) Ryan, if you're reading me, I wish you all the best and I hope you go on kickin' around Ian and his upcoming projects. Long Live Tull Stuff
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 7, 2013 7:27:18 GMT
How about what it is...Ian Anderson I reckon we'll all have to agree to disagree. I use Tull purely to encompass all IA's activities but I will acknowledge that others may get the hump if that term is used for the IA Band with Flo. Same really with Mick Abrahams. I'll use Blodwyn Pig to cover his music 'cos it's easier than using all the different bands etc. Blodwyn Pig/Wommet/Mick Abrahams' Band - take your choice. Oh and by the way Happy Birthday Mick Abrahamswww.youtube.com/watch&v=KAEYu5No7Zc
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 7, 2013 9:30:29 GMT
I really really don't put that much importance on it and I still wonder why any fan should. Leave it up to some undervalued,underpaid legal eagle to work it out. Put it this way - do we change the name of the Forum to the Ian Anderson Forum or The Former Jethro Tull Forum or The Fan Forum Presents The Present Line Up With Stories Of Who Used To Be In The Band Forum!!! It's stuff and nonsense
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 7, 2013 13:01:56 GMT
I really really don't put that much importance on it and I still wonder why any fan should.
Leave it up to some undervalued,underpaid legal eagle to work it out.
Put it this way - do we change the name of the Forum to the Ian Anderson Forum or The Former Jethro Tull Forum or The Fan Forum Presents The Present Line Up With Stories Of Who Used To Be In The Band Forum!!!
It's stuff and nonsense Well said. What is going on at other places (Bored), is a group of narrow thinking individuals. Members are intimidated and treated poorly based on this issue alone. My good friends Remy (Tull50) and Sergi (Janu) from Spain are forever my Amigos because of what happened. The fact that anyone would be offended by the use of a name like Tull is beyond belief. It is almost like a political divide between Conservatives and Liberals. There are fans who claim they will boycott any future shows in protest of Martin Barre's absence. To my knowledge, the same individuals are still buying tickets for shows in New York and Boston. Their boycott is not working very well. When I created a Tull Cave, it was always meant to include all forms of Tull. ;D [glow=red,4,300] Happy Birthday Mick Abrahams [/glow] Original Guitarist of Jethro Tull
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Post by tullist on Apr 7, 2013 14:01:50 GMT
Just as long as it doesn't go on any marquee's, cd jackets, or Ian's mouth. And it won't. Just wanted to make sure no one was suffering from any delusions, and operating as a mere convenience. I look at the Grateful Dead and the Jerry Garcia Band, the Beatles then Paul or Ringo always out touring. Never once the verbal and moral mis step of referring to them by their name from a previous engagemnet, re Jerry Garcia band was merely referred to as the Jerry band or JGB. Additionally from some quarters I know, not surmise, there is more afoot than a mere verbal convenience. Amen.
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Post by Tull50 on Apr 7, 2013 15:49:00 GMT
I just say TULL, because Ian Anderson signature says TULL next to the band Signed in Barcelona on February 6, 2013
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Post by tullist on Apr 7, 2013 16:58:33 GMT
Well, I like my odds if an interviewer were engaging Ian on camera, and referred to his current tidy aggregation as Tull, he would be, likely politely, corrected. And this from someone in the largely ignorant, and at best ill informed debate dating back to Ian's decision re TAAB2, has always said that while there has always been input, of course, from the other players, Ian's stamp has been on pretty much any note that band has performed, right down to Martin's famous Aqualung solo. Nevertheless there is a Jethro Tull, and there is an Ian Anderson band, and another part of this debate is the virtual certainty many have spoken of as regards the moral character of Ian Anderson, as if they know and these things are a given, as to why who has come, who has gone, who is present or passed or to be. I think the man is a case one straight shooter. As shown on their own board I believe there is an extant Jethro Tull, its guitarist is Martin Barre and its drummer is Doane Perry, and I find it deeply endearing that IA has made it a point to keep it so. Might be fantastic music but it ain't Tull. Does not make it better or worse. I am also someone who has so deeply defended his post 1995 output, considering it to be the most consistent quality of his entire career, while other's wallow in their prog visions of codpieces, Yes, Rush, Minstrel in the Gallery and what might have been if he had done some further jamming with Eddie Jobson or Tony Iommi.
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Post by Tull50 on Apr 7, 2013 19:05:54 GMT
Possibly at this moment Ian is not going to say this to a camera, for legal issues ... or perhaps out of respect Tullist above all I have to say that I respect your opinion, it is just that, your opinion, like this is mine. I like this forum because as I said there is no censorship in discussing this theme. Also as have said many members, this subject already bored... I think maybe there is a big misunderstanding between those who believe that this new group is not Tull, that does not mean we us are not fans of Martin, contrary, to my Martin is certainly a top ten guitarist, I'm a big fan and I wish him the best, also I have to say that his project of 2012 does not sound to Tull. I think I'm not mistaken if I say that talking about Jethro Tull is talking about the musical ideas of Ian Anderson. Nor am I wrong if I say that Jethro Tull's been about 24 musicians, do not count James nor Tommy Iommi I think music now playing Ian Anderson and band, sounds like Jethro Tull, that's why it seems ridiculous to say that Ian Anderson plays the music of Jethro Tull, is like saying that Ian Anderson plays his own music. I hope Anderson, continues giving away many more years with his compositions, If this happens, to me Tull be alive I hope no one will mind if my answers are sometimes short or less expressive, I just trying to explain without making big mistakes grammatical my view, I try to do it in a few words, I hope that these short phrases are not interpreted as somewhat abrupt, but something easier for me. To note that only a year ago I study English, and I understand and express myself much better in Catalan, (my birth language), Spanish, French, Portuguese or Italian. Sorry for the many misspellings and others mistakes, hopefully not distort what I mean
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Post by markridley on Apr 7, 2013 19:18:05 GMT
Just as long as it doesn't go on any marquee's, cd jackets, or Ian's mouth. And it won't. Just wanted to make sure no one was suffering from any delusions, and operating as a mere convenience. I look at the Grateful Dead and the Jerry Garcia Band, the Beatles then Paul or Ringo always out touring. Never once the verbal and moral mis step of referring to them by their name from a previous engagemnet, re Jerry Garcia band was merely referred to as the Jerry band or JGB. Additionally from some quarters I know, not surmise, there is more afoot than a mere verbal convenience. Amen. That seems to ring true. None of those mentioned though used their old band as a boost to their advertising. Like "THE GREATFUL DEAD'S JERRY GARCIA" appearing as the "the Jerry Garcia band" and then allowing promoters in various places to print "The GREATFUL DEAD" are appearing. So it's really Ian's choice of promotion that is causing all the confusion. Mark
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Post by markridley on Apr 7, 2013 19:24:58 GMT
Well said. What is going on at other places (Bored), is a group of narrow thinking individuals. Members are intimidated and treated poorly based on this issue alone. My good friends Remy (Tull50) and Sergi (Janu) from Spain are forever my Amigos because of what happened. The fact that anyone would be offended by the use of a name like Tull is beyond belief. It is almost like a political divide between Conservatives and Liberals. There are fans who claim they will boycott any future shows in protest of Martin Barre's absence. To my knowledge, the same individuals are still buying tickets for shows in New York and Boston. Their boycott is not working very well. Is there really some kind of organized boycott over all this silliness Is it just in the northeast? Hard to believe that anybody cares that much about what it's called . And I don't know if I believe it. Mark
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Post by tullist on Apr 7, 2013 20:11:11 GMT
Real good bottom line reason for that. If Ian wants to continue to play regal halls like the Beacon, Ravinia, Royal Albert to financially maximize that he must use that reference point, whereas Jerry Garcia, at least over the last 10 or 15 years of his life, (Tull actually did bigger box office than the Dead during the 70's, and even then more people than would have been guessed did not have certainty of that flute player dude's name, its Jethro Tull man)would not have had to, indeed to sell out stadiums with his Jerry Garcia band. But finally not a particularly big issue to me, unless it is spoken of in the context of delusion. Then I respond. It is one man's call. And its not a call that is likely to be made without the inclusion of that other man. I'm done. But per usual depending on what type of response, hopefully none, it garners, I will resurface. The Ian band. The Ian Anderson band. (Ironic because I believe with the possible exception of the first record, and then only in part, it always has been the Ian band, and he doesn't much like the name anyway)Seems easy, and accurate, and respectful enough to me. By all means roll yer own.
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Post by Tull50 on Apr 7, 2013 20:12:51 GMT
Well said. What is going on at other places (Bored), is a group of narrow thinking individuals. Members are intimidated and treated poorly based on this issue alone. My good friends Remy (Tull50) and Sergi (Janu) from Spain are forever my Amigos because of what happened. The fact that anyone would be offended by the use of a name like Tull is beyond belief. It is almost like a political divide between Conservatives and Liberals. There are fans who claim they will boycott any future shows in protest of Martin Barre's absence. To my knowledge, the same individuals are still buying tickets for shows in New York and Boston. Their boycott is not working very well. Is there really some kind of organized boycott over all this silliness Is it just in the northeast? Hard to believe that anybody cares that much about what it's called . And I don't know if I believe it. Mark You can believe it, I can prove it with emails of where you know well... You should know better than anyone Remy
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Post by Tull50 on Apr 7, 2013 20:15:16 GMT
Just as long as it doesn't go on any marquee's, cd jackets, or Ian's mouth. And it won't. Just wanted to make sure no one was suffering from any delusions, and operating as a mere convenience. I look at the Grateful Dead and the Jerry Garcia Band, the Beatles then Paul or Ringo always out touring. Never once the verbal and moral mis step of referring to them by their name from a previous engagemnet, re Jerry Garcia band was merely referred to as the Jerry band or JGB. Additionally from some quarters I know, not surmise, there is more afoot than a mere verbal convenience. Amen. That seems to ring true. None of those mentioned though used their old band as a boost to their advertising. Like "THE GREATFUL DEAD'S JERRY GARCIA" appearing as the "the Jerry Garcia band" and then allowing promoters in various places to print "The GREATFUL DEAD" are appearing. So it's really Ian's choice of promotion that is causing all the confusion. Mark You really think the public is stupid? Ian is so big it does not need false advertising. Remy
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Post by tullist on Apr 7, 2013 20:19:46 GMT
Moreso I believe Ian Anderson no longer is that popular. Certainly on his tour with the solo band a few years ago in a hall that seats maybe 1500 it was at best 3/4 full. So yes I stand fast by my assessment. And more to the point, being a careful, though I suspect not greedy or penny pinching businessman, I feel secure in saying of the first order, Ian Anderson thinks so. If it needs be cloaked in the word stupid, trust me, that ain't mine, but pragmatic, yeah, I will stand by that. A better comparison would be the likes of Ray Davies or David Byrne or maybe Brian Ferry might need that little extra boost of their bands name to make plausible the idea of playing similar or same halls that they play with their famous old bands.
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Post by Tull50 on Apr 7, 2013 20:40:42 GMT
Moreso I believe Ian Anderson no longer is that popular. Certainly on his tour with the solo band a few years ago in a hall that seats maybe 1500 it was at best 3/4 full. So yes I stand fast by my assessment. And more to the point, being a careful, though I suspect not greedy or penny pinching businessman, I feel secure in saying of the first order, Ian Anderson thinks so. If it needs be cloaked in the word stupid, trust me, that ain't mine, but pragmatic, yeah, I will stand by that. A better comparison would be the likes of Ray Davies or David Byrne or maybe Brian Ferry might need that little extra boost of their bands name to make plausible the idea of playing similar or same halls that they play with their famous old bands. It's just your opinion, not mine, the fact that this filling all places where plays, is in my opinion due the new album TAAB 2, also many years ago Tull was not getting a new album and which not plays TAAB complete since 1972. I think this is enough to fill all the places where he plays, the quality of the music and the good reviews do the rest *Maybe I should do changed stupid by ignorant, but in Spain the meaning is practically the same
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Post by markridley on Apr 7, 2013 21:00:45 GMT
That seems to ring true. None of those mentioned though used their old band as a boost to their advertising. Like "THE GREATFUL DEAD'S JERRY GARCIA" appearing as the "the Jerry Garcia band" and then allowing promoters in various places to print "The GREATFUL DEAD" are appearing. So it's really Ian's choice of promotion that is causing all the confusion. Mark You really think the public is stupid? Ian is so big it does not need false advertising. Remy Where did I imply that anyone was stupid? I also said nothing about false advertising. Please read Tullists post and then my response. It's pretty simple. For "whatever reason" Ian is using the name Jethro Tull in his advertising. The people that Tullist pointed out did not. There was no confusion or disscusion or illusion about these Other front men that have gone out on there own. Point: Martin Barre is using the name Jethro Tull in his adverts also (Although I suspect Martins name is far less known.) No need to get upset about it Remy Mark
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Post by markridley on Apr 7, 2013 21:06:43 GMT
Is there really some kind of organized boycott over all this silliness Is it just in the northeast? Hard to believe that anybody cares that much about what it's called . And I don't know if I believe it. Mark You can believe it, I can prove it with emails of where you know well... You should know better than anyone Remy I have a feeling that your not understanding what I'm asking. I just wanted to know if there is a boycott by someone over Ian calling this the Ian Anderson band. It sounds pretty idiotic to me? That's what I do know. Mark Your persistant emails to me about posting a video here had nothing to do with this.
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Post by tommie on Apr 7, 2013 21:10:40 GMT
All I know is, (and not getting into all the "IA" vs the "JT" stuff), and in refererence. to the thread title: RYAN O'DONNELL......I sincerely and respectfully hope that Ian from now on has a VOCALIST singing at every show he does. I havent seen the current tour yet here in NYC but have tickets for the 3 shows in October (when the 2nd Beacon Theatre show goes on sale). From the videeos I've seen I love RD's voice (but then again any competent vocalist would do justice to Tull's great songs) I know I've asked folks who have already seen the tour how much Ryan sings and was (somewhat) disheartened to hear that he actually sings about, roughly, 30% of the material at most? I hope it chages (probably not) by the time I see them. I have long felt that even if Ian had a vocalist singing for an entire show, it would only ADD to the overall experience, at least to me, because the WORDS and music are so great. Anyone agree? (with Tommie, for once?) lol
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 7, 2013 21:20:13 GMT
I have long felt that even if Ian had a vocalist singing for an entire show, it would only ADD to the overall experience, at least to me, because the WORDS and music are so great. Anyone agree? (with Tommie, for once?) lol ;D Ryan says yes!
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Post by Tull50 on Apr 7, 2013 21:51:41 GMT
You really think the public is stupid? Ian is so big it does not need false advertising. Remy Where did I imply that anyone was stupid? I also said nothing about false advertising. Please read Tullists post and then my response. It's pretty simple. For "whatever reason" Ian is using the name Jethro Tull in his advertising. The people that Tullist pointed out did not. There was no confusion or disscusion or illusion about these Other front men that have gone out on there own. Point: Martin Barre is using the name Jethro Tull in his adverts also (Although I suspect Martins name is far less known.) No need to get upset about it Remy Mark I have a feeling that your not understanding what I'm asking. I just wanted to know if there is a boycott by someone over Ian calling this the Ian Anderson band. It sounds pretty idiotic to me? That's what I do know. Mark Your persistant emails to me about posting a video here had nothing to do with this. If you mean a single PM I sent you a post that you might correct a post in wrong thread, ( Tullianos Convention never took place in Mallorca.) Your persistant emails to me about posting a video here had nothing to do with this.? Of course nothing to do, watch your words before you mislead people Just trying to help you with a pm, without make this public! From the same PM that I sent you, has knowledge the moderator, so please do not try to confuse people And of course I'm not angry just my opinion, maybe you're upset Of course I have not your email
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 7, 2013 21:57:53 GMT
This thread is going a bit off topic. Ryan deserves a thread all to himself without any loose ends straggling from elsewhere
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Post by Tull50 on Apr 7, 2013 22:02:43 GMT
This thread is going a bit off topic. Ryan deserves a thread all to himself without any loose ends straggling from elsewhere I Agree, promise to let this thread just for Ryan
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 7, 2013 22:26:46 GMT
This thread is going a bit off topic. Ryan deserves a thread all to himself without any loose ends straggling from elsewhere I Agree, promise to let this thread just for Ryan Cheers
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 8, 2013 0:00:35 GMT
Ryan deserves a thread all to himself without any loose ends straggling from elsewhere
Thanks Nonrabbit ;D
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Post by tommie on Apr 8, 2013 0:22:32 GMT
How about my question? thanks
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 8, 2013 0:46:18 GMT
I totally agree with Tommie the man about Ryan...uncanny, excellent solution to vocal deterioration....a very 'Tullian' outcome: unconventional, unpredictable and unimpeachably great.
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Post by tommie on Apr 8, 2013 7:05:18 GMT
Thanks, Steel............Ian NEEDS a vocalist now. I cringe when he tries to, ahem......"sing"
Once again, who has seen the show ? NOW I'm hearing that Ryan O sings like maybe 10-15% of the material. Drats! Nedd info
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 8, 2013 17:28:57 GMT
last October it was a good mix of Ryan singing some stuff alone, singing along here and there...and, best of all, trading lines in some parts of both bricks. The times that ryan was singing Brick one, along ian on flute, were very natural and looked and sounded great. the parts of two that ryan sang were equally un-jarring...simply 'his' lines on brick two. Ryan forever, say I.
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Post by Tull50 on Apr 8, 2013 18:26:35 GMT
In my opinion Ryan brings to the group fresh and modern air (To say that Aqualung it seemed irritating, must be bold), his voice at times reminds me of Ian in better times, but has not sought a voice that mimics but a voice that complementing, I agree, the Ian's voice is not for great things, but his energy on stage is enough to grab the attention, Ryan not remove his role, allowing me to suspect that there Tull for a while, and more world tours
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Post by tullabye on Apr 9, 2013 20:46:24 GMT
Ryan's voice is passable but not even close to the greatness that IA once possesed. Anderson's vocals on this tour were decent and delivered in a way that still surpasses Ryan's bits (for the most part).
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