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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 31, 2012 20:16:10 GMT
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Post by tullist on Mar 31, 2012 20:21:28 GMT
That first paragraph pretty much nails it, though I disagree on the Rock Island assessment. I would probably join Rock Island with Too Old and Dot Com as the most undervalued Tull outings. Roots one of the esteemed gold pieces who's next bit of airplay to my knowledge will be its first. Lets hear Loco again, amazing the thing stands up at all.
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 31, 2012 21:38:42 GMT
Rock Island had rock and roll balls...and Ian not properly assessing the value of Martin Allcock as a brilliant multi-instumentalist, Tullishsort of guy shot in the arm was a damn shame...Martin grabbing the Bass when Peggy played mandolin, or an extra guitar or another mandolin or a bouzouki really strenghtened a lot of songs...all the albums that followed would have been better had he stayed...well, they may have needed a real keyboard player as well but the Martin Allcock era was way too short...remember instrumental Pussy Willow with just him Barre and Perry?
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Post by tullist on Apr 1, 2012 2:53:42 GMT
I think what Rock and their other best records offer is continuity, as I find not an off track on the entire record, though I know the less romantic possibly in the tribe might take issue with something like Another Christmas Song which I mark as a stone beauty. Even Kissing Willie I will take over a handful of their other openers, re Steel Monkey, although that one worked live, but mainly because Ian did some good stage stalking. I do not doubt that Crest held some real gems, but the off tracks on the record bring the overall grade down. I do believe that folks confuse what they mark as their favorite records as those that have such and such a track or tracks on them, whereas I grade the whole. Even listening to an avowed classic such as George Harrison's All Things Must Pass the other day, doubtless several of the tracks are excellent to perfect, but there are definitely some very weak tracks, which very certainly occupy space and must thereby be considered in the overall grade. One Bernie namechecked the other day, Miles Davis Kind of Blue, now there is front to back brilliance, each second accounted for. As to Maart, on the one hand, I have always held that should Martin ever choose to leave for whatever reason, Maart was very definitely an able replacement had he wanted the job. Luckily that is not a consideration that has been needed. But largely what he was asked to do within Tull is something he doesn't, that is to play keyboards. Even on the rare times FC used Keyboards I recall it as normally to be Dave Mattacks. But all fans of FC know Maart is one playin mf when it comes to anything with strings on it, I recall RT even offered to cut his fingers off or something by way of compliment. And I don't even know how to properly guage Tull keyboardists since Evan, for the crucial fact that Evan got to play grand piano and Hammond organ, no one else did, sentenced to the gizmotron bs of the past 30 years. Hated those drums used on the UW tour, those electronic, I am from the future things favored by Peter Gabriel, King Crimson, all that lot. Can interesting things be done on it...sure. By and large do not like them though, and somebody tell that Rush guy to get down from behind whatever small industry that he calls a drum set and see what he can do on Art Blakey or Max Roach's kit.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Apr 1, 2012 4:31:54 GMT
I really enjoyed "Roots to Branches", though I never have gotten in to the notion that one JT album sounded like another or that one wasn't as good. Rather, I've always just took each JT album on it's own merits.
Some albums had a more continuous flow perhaps; there have been occasional songs that just didn't seem to fit or belong with the rest on an album, and I seem to have my favorites. Only to re-listen to one again to replace the previous obsessively listened one, I've some JT friends that needed to find a reason to dislike one more than another or vice-versa.
What has happened over the last few years for myself is that I've noticed a bit of a lessening of my past desire to listen to JT as much. I'm guessing it's just because there has been a drought creatively speaking and it's hard to keep going back to the 'catalog' w/o new material to hear. Kind of like being on a desert island and only having the same tunes to listen to over and over again - it will inevitably get a bit stale. Though I REALLY like to crank Lifebeats/Prelude opening on APP - my mind just tunes in and takes off....it's 'audio food' for me....but still there is just so much excellent creative music that make up the JT albums, Driving Song, Back to the Family, Far Alaska, Baker Street Muse, geese - there's just so dang much more...... Once I start up, I get into another 'fit' and away I go, playing it too loud and REALLY enjoying it!!!
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Post by tonibanks on Jan 13, 2015 17:22:44 GMT
I've always loved Roots To Branches. Funnily enough my favorite song here is one that is unlike any other song on the album, Stuck In The August Rain, which in terms or chord structure belongs more in the Chequered Flag territory (creating magic with diatonic major key chord movements). Another favorite is Rare And Precious Chain, but that was the first song I heard from the album. The chorus has one of their greatest riffs IMO. This Free Will is another favorite. Valley and Beside Myself sound very much alike on the first listen because of a similar guitar pattern (on the same album with only one song between them), but both are strong songs - and different once you get past the guitar pattern. And what the hell, Lennon used the same picking pattern he had just learned on three or four songs on the so called White Album (and in Octopus's Garden on Abbey Road!). Roots To Branches sounds very much like a "band playing live in a large studio room" album to me. There's also a lot of space in the arrangements in songs like Out Of The Noise. "To colour just a little with their personal touch" is classic Ian. Warm humor, not mean spirited.
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Post by Aqualung1989 on Jan 13, 2015 23:44:48 GMT
Can't really get into this album. I tried again last week, after around three years... I do love the title track, and Another Harry's Bar, but for some reason the whole thing just isn't for me. I'm not saying it's bad though, not at all.
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Post by jackinthegreen on Jan 13, 2015 23:57:55 GMT
Can't really get into this album. I tried again last week, after around three years... I do love the title track, and Another Harry's Bar, but for some reason the whole thing just isn't for me. I'm not saying it's bad though, not at all. Nice to see someone else likes Harry's Bar..... ...I love that track, the whole cheesyness of it, and the drums are magic......
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Post by tullabye on Jan 14, 2015 5:48:18 GMT
Can't really get into this album. I tried again last week, after around three years... I do love the title track, and Another Harry's Bar, but for some reason the whole thing just isn't for me. I'm not saying it's bad though, not at all. Nice to see someone else likes Harry's Bar..... ...I love that track, the whole cheesyness of it, and the drums are magic...... The ending bit is Tull at it's best
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Post by Aqualung1989 on Jan 14, 2015 10:28:31 GMT
Can't really get into this album. I tried again last week, after around three years... I do love the title track, and Another Harry's Bar, but for some reason the whole thing just isn't for me. I'm not saying it's bad though, not at all. Nice to see someone else likes Harry's Bar..... ...I love that track, the whole cheesyness of it, and the drums are magic...... It's a bit cheesy, but nothing compared to Stuck in the August Rain... I used to like that one a lot, but it got a bit too cheesy for me at some point
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Post by onewhiteduck on Jan 14, 2015 10:40:00 GMT
I'm with Jack on this one I like Harry's Bar. I've been in a few! Its one of those tracks I can really imagine and the build up and finish are Top Tull. ( good idea for a patent 'Tull Trump Cards' ) Note to self - get on with your work.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 15, 2015 9:04:32 GMT
Can't really get into this album. I tried again last week, after around three years... I do love the title track, and Another Harry's Bar, but for some reason the whole thing just isn't for me. I'm not saying it's bad though, not at all. I played the album yesterday while I was doing my chores around the house. I still rate the album highly and have done since day one, including Wounded Old and Treacherous. Published on 6 Nov 2014 by Jethro Tull - Topic
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Post by Aqualung1989 on Jan 15, 2015 10:22:04 GMT
Can't really get into this album. I tried again last week, after around three years... I do love the title track, and Another Harry's Bar, but for some reason the whole thing just isn't for me. I'm not saying it's bad though, not at all. I played the album yesterday while I was doing my chores around the house. I still rate the album highly and have done since day one, including Wounded Old and Treacherous. Published on 6 Nov 2014 by Jethro Tull - TopicYou rate the album high? What? Then I'll never ever talk to you again! Never!!!!! Nah just a matter of taste, I guess. Also, you never know, I really disliked A Passion Play when I first listened to it, and now I salivate whenever it's on.
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Post by chea on Jan 15, 2015 13:47:12 GMT
I played the album yesterday while I was doing my chores around the house. I still rate the album highly and have done since day one, including Wounded Old and Treacherous. Published on 6 Nov 2014 by Jethro Tull - TopicYou rate the album high? What? Then I'll never ever talk to you again! Never!!!!! Nah just a matter of taste, I guess. Also, you never know, I really disliked A Passion Play when I first listened to it, and now I salivate whenever it's on. I love, "Roots to Branches" Album, definitely. Usually, Ian composes two/three Albums that have some similarity, are a bit of a world to separate themselves from other works, I guess.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 15, 2015 18:04:08 GMT
I played the album yesterday while I was doing my chores around the house. I still rate the album highly and have done since day one, including Wounded Old and Treacherous. Published on 6 Nov 2014 by Jethro Tull - TopicYou rate the album high? What? Then I'll never ever talk to you again! Never!!!!! Nah just a matter of taste, I guess. Also, you never know, I really disliked A Passion Play when I first listened to it, and now I salivate whenever it's on. As you say, a matter of taste and how the album(s) influence your thinking and attitude. TOTRnR doesn't sit easy with me - the vast percentage of the songs are fine but the title track is one I'd like not to hear in concert so much and I find the production on the album a bit "hit and miss" and muddy. There are members here who love the album which is fine by me and is as it should be. It would be a strange world (1984) if we were all told what to like and what to say and do.
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Post by chea on Jan 16, 2015 7:56:44 GMT
There is a version of " from a dead beat to an old greaser " included in a " little lighht music " live album ;)which is really enjoyable, and also i have been listening a lot of times " too old of rock and roll " live , and it works well in the shows.
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Post by JTull 007 on Jan 16, 2015 17:37:27 GMT
I was very happy when Roots To Branches came out in 1995. My favorite song "Valley"
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Post by Aqualung1989 on Jan 16, 2015 18:26:06 GMT
There is a version of " from a dead beat to an old greaser " included in a " little lighht music " live album ;)which is really enjoyable, and also i have been listening a lot of times " too old of rock and roll " live , and it works well in the shows. That song has grown on me over the years, and the version you mention is a nice one, I really like Martin's guitar solo there.
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Post by chea on Jan 19, 2015 8:33:28 GMT
There is a version of " from a dead beat to an old greaser " included in a " little lighht music " live album ;)which is really enjoyable, and also i have been listening a lot of times " too old of rock and roll " live , and it works well in the shows. That song has grown on me over the years, and the version you mention is a nice one, I really like Martin's guitar solo there. Yes, a great piece, with an intense atmosphere .
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Post by hardliner on Jan 19, 2015 9:57:13 GMT
Roots is a cracker of an album Beside Myself,Valley,Dangerous Veils,Harrys Bar stand out tracks for me Just wished the playout section of Harrys Bar was longer with a Blistering Barre solo.
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Post by bunkerfan on Jan 19, 2015 14:11:32 GMT
Roots is a cracker of an album Beside Myself,Valley,Dangerous Veils,Harrys Bar stand out tracks for me Just wished the playout section of Harrys Bar was longer with a Blistering Barre solo. "Beside Myself" is a cracker of a song so I think I'll have to play it next.
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Post by onewhiteduck on Jan 20, 2015 10:38:19 GMT
Roots is a cracker of an album Beside Myself,Valley,Dangerous Veils,Harrys Bar stand out tracks for me Just wished the playout section of Harrys Bar was longer with a Blistering Barre solo. "Beside Myself" is a cracker of a song so I think I'll have to play it next. Been away from 'Roots' for a while but had a good blast last night and have to say I totally agree with Hardliner on choices and I would throw in 'This Free Will'. Doane's drumming/percussion superb, bloody superb actually. Great drummer. OneWhiteDoane
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Post by rockodyssey on Oct 2, 2016 15:44:12 GMT
ROOTS TO BRANCHES (1995)
One more after this and I have to admit to flagging a little of late, not more than one a week recently. Not for lack of quality or interest though, and this is no exception. This is very coherent as a single musical piece. It's very Seventies and proggy, although it occasionally crosses the line into jazz, and no-one wants that. Anderson has been off to Cairo, wandered around the souk and done a beginners course in snake charming to advantageous effect on the opening two tracks. The prog stylings kick in heavily on 'Dangerous Veils', especially toward the end of the track. On 'Wounded, Old And Treacherous' IA speaks the lyric in a rather arch fashion and it gets a bit chaotic at the end. 'At Last Forever' is what I consider trad Tull, by which I mean it fits into the Stormwatch/Broadsword period, where I first came in. 'Stuck In The August Rain' reminds me a little of 'From A Dead Beat To An Old Greaser'. Dire Straits 'Your Latest Trick'. At the end the mumbling, headbanded ghost of Mark Knopfler appears again at Anderson's shoulder and the closing 'Another Harry's Bar' is reminiscent of 'Your Latest Trick' Artwork still going well too.
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Post by cecil on Oct 2, 2016 21:19:29 GMT
Consistent album although Dotcom has better tracks
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Post by Tull50 on Dec 19, 2016 23:51:19 GMT
A Conversation With Ian Anderson
A Roots To Branches Tour promo, with excerpts from songs like Valley or Roots To Branches.
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Post by JTull 007 on Dec 20, 2016 3:51:32 GMT
A Conversation With Ian Anderson A Roots To Branches Tour promo, with excerpts from songs like Valley or Roots To Branches. Never saw this before!!! Muchas Gracias Remy
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Post by 61jtull on Apr 5, 2018 20:48:16 GMT
Of the five Albums released between 1989 and 2003 "Roots to Branches" is perhaps my favorite. The songs flow well and are consistently good in quality. Very diverse styles and influences make it unique in the Tull album history.
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Post by maddogfagin on May 12, 2021 7:55:38 GMT
A handyman offered us a good amount of freshly felled Bamboo last week up to about 2.5" in thickness, and, as I unloaded it, I started thinking my gosh: With only about a 16" X 1" section of this piece of grass (B flat) IA toured and played to sold out theatres in multiple countries. Will it ever happen again? By someone else I mean? Only one IA! Welcome to the JT Forum distantre - plenty of flute info here
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Post by steelmonkey on May 14, 2021 0:19:48 GMT
I must admit...compared to hopes kindled by that first glance I got at CD cover before I heard the album, that is: the cool title, length ( yes, size matters with Tull songs) and placement on the CD,,,sort of the Budapest, Baker Street Muse slot, I found 'Wounded, Old and Treacherous' to be disappointing. The Knopfleresque spoken/slightly sung style, the too easy rhymes and the lacksadaisical overall delivery did not live up to my inflated hopes at all. I like the album and most of the songs a lot, they aged well...and the tour, a throwback to playing most of the new songs live before delivering greatest hits, was refreshing. But that one song still feels like an underachiever.
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Post by eridom on May 14, 2021 4:43:50 GMT
I must admit...compared to hopes kindled by that first glance I got at CD cover before I heard the album, that is: the cool title, length ( yes, size matters with Tull songs) and placement on the CD,,,sort of the Budapest, Baker Street Muse slot, I found 'Wounded, Old and Treacherous' to be disappointing. The Knopfleresque spoken/slightly sung style, the too easy rhymes and the lacksadaisical overall delivery did not live up to my inflated hopes at all. I like the album and most of the songs a lot, they aged well...and the tour, a throwback to playing most of the new songs live before delivering greatest hits, was refreshing. But that one song still feels like an underachiever. C’mon man…the outro interplay between Martin and Ian alone makes it a great song. Fantastic album…one of their best and likely their most underrated.
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