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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 2, 2009 4:01:42 GMT
Sorry folks...this is too important to bury down there in the lesser threads. This is not a joke...it is from an e-mail forwarded to me by the sister of my ex-wife...in otherwords, someone who knows me:
The New York Times reporter Greg Mitchell posted a memory of a teen-aged Michael with musical tastes I defy you to predict: “Reading ‘72 interview w/ Michael Jackson for Crawdaddy that I edited—he says he’d like to do an album with his favorite group: Jethro Tull.
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Post by fatman on Jul 2, 2009 7:56:12 GMT
Sorry folks...this is too important to bury down there in the lesser threads. This is not a joke...it is from an e-mail forwarded to me by the sister of my ex-wife...in otherwords, someone who knows me: The New York Times reporter Greg Mitchell posted a memory of a teen-aged Michael with musical tastes I defy you to predict: “Reading ‘72 interview w/ Michael Jackson for Crawdaddy that I edited—he says he’d like to do an album with his favorite group: Jethro Tull. This would not surprise me. Madonna, too, is said to be a fan of Jethro Tull, and in fact there is or was some connection I believe between a member of her staff and Tull. Hence, perhaps, certain lewd similarities between Madonna's act and Ian's act, to wit: crotch grabbing and phallic fun. MJ also did stuff like that. Goes to show you what an innovator Ian is. Jeff
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Post by fatman on Jul 2, 2009 7:58:21 GMT
Sorry folks...this is too important to bury down there in the lesser threads. This is not a joke...it is from an e-mail forwarded to me by the sister of my ex-wife...in otherwords, someone who knows me: The New York Times reporter Greg Mitchell posted a memory of a teen-aged Michael with musical tastes I defy you to predict: “Reading ‘72 interview w/ Michael Jackson for Crawdaddy that I edited—he says he’d like to do an album with his favorite group: Jethro Tull. Maybe he wasn't so bad after all. Jeff
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 2, 2009 8:42:06 GMT
Give us more on it Steel He probably meant it as well although I picked up my Scottish Sunday papers and he's quoted as saying that he would have been happier if he and his children had lived in Scotland. He lived in Ireland for a while as well and local papers have quoted a few gems on his alleged remarks !! Everyone wants a piece !! I found this 2006 interview with Ian by Shawn Perry... Recently, people like David Gilmour and Jon Bon Jovi have been saying the Stones are, to paraphrase a familiar saying from the 70s, too old to rock and roll. So Ian, as the man who coined this infamous phrase, I have to ask: when are you too old to rock and roll?"..........Bon Jovi certainly will be playing the biggest places they can possibly manage to fill to make as much money as they possibly can for the biggest, fist-waving rock show they can muster because that’s what they do. And I’m sure they do it very well. And I’m sure they have great time doing it and most people enjoy it. . .... My money would still be on the Stones. But you see, my money would still be on Michael Jackson as he had the good sense to try and mount a bit of some kind of a comeback by just showing up with three musicians and playing in a theater somewhere and rehabilitating himself with the public by showing what a talent he is — without all doing all the pageantry and silly stuff, the children on stage, and all this Christ-like, manic perversion that seems to be inherent in the way he sees his role in music. The guy doesn’t need that. "
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Post by tullistray on Jul 2, 2009 13:06:16 GMT
I saw that Michael Jackson liked Tull in 72 bit the other day too and thought about sharing it but reconsidered when I compared it against the year, and in 72 Tull was the flavor of the year, lots of people who have not liked them since liked them that year, though admittedly at least 95 per cent of their audience was white. I seriously doubt he was aware of them by Heavy Horses let alone now. My personal problem with Jackson's crotch grabbing is grabbing and not letting go for minutes on end, indeed arriving with package in hand, and in one of those videos he has several dancers mimmicking his moves. Okay u got a cock, they give those to all men.
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Post by fatman on Jul 2, 2009 15:16:27 GMT
Sorry folks...this is too important to bury down there in the lesser threads. This is not a joke...it is from an e-mail forwarded to me by the sister of my ex-wife...in otherwords, someone who knows me: The New York Times reporter Greg Mitchell posted a memory of a teen-aged Michael with musical tastes I defy you to predict: “Reading ‘72 interview w/ Michael Jackson for Crawdaddy that I edited—he says he’d like to do an album with his favorite group: Jethro Tull. Q. What would the title of that Jethro Jacko album have been called? New thread topic, I believe.
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Post by fatman on Jul 2, 2009 15:32:47 GMT
I saw that Michael Jackson liked Tull in 72 bit the other day too and thought about sharing it but reconsidered when I compared it against the year, and in 72 Tull was the flavor of the year, lots of people who have not liked them since liked them that year, though admittedly at least 95 per cent of their audience was white. I seriously doubt he was aware of them by Heavy Horses let alone now. My personal problem with Jackson's crotch grabbing is grabbing and not letting go for minutes on end, indeed arriving with package in hand, and in one of those videos he has several dancers mimmicking his moves. Okay u got a cock, they give those to all men. I could be wrong but perhaps it was Ian who first started with the crotch-grabbing, and was then imitated by admirers such as MJ and Madonna. Also, your observation about most Tull fans being white reminds me of a story. I had just moved to NYC in 1987, the era of CD long boxes co-existing with vinyl LPs on record store shelves. I was in the old Tower Records store on 72nd and Broadway and was approaching the Tull section, as I always did, when I saw a black guy pick up a copy of the Thick as a Brick LP, which he then delightedly kissed before hurrying up to the cashier to buy it! Jeff
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 2, 2009 15:53:13 GMT
I think it's Debbie Harry that became actual, real friends with Ian...maybe Madonna also but for sure debbie harry who was very good friends with ian's old manager, Gerd. I realize now that the quote about MJ digging jethro in 1972 was not obscure...I think it's this week's New Yorker. Once, accompanying a Chicago journalist friend to interview Ronnie Artest, days after the Bulls drafted him, in the scariest ghetto in Queens...a very tough looking, street corner enterprenuer ( crack sales LTD.), chased me down to talk to me about a War Child T-shirt I had on ( it was about 1999). The guy just wnet on and on about how Tull blew his mind in the mid-seventies and how great Ian Anderson is. I thought I was gonna get my ass kicked, not my brain picked!
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Post by tullistray on Jul 2, 2009 15:56:25 GMT
Probably what Michael or Madonna needed was a good codpiece, in fact I think Madonna got one. My "problem" is not with touching or insinuating that area, ala Hendrix or Elvis for instance, its with living there and being pre occupied with it. Don't know which video in specific, likely several, but the dude never lets go. And you're right, Human Nature was a pretty song, mentioned a few days ago, which I came to thru Miles Davis' version, one of his last great ballads. Hearing Michael Jackson's version many years later I was surprised how little Miles changed from the original, so a heavenly star to the recently departed crothch grabber. I took my then boss and old friend Kevin to see Tull on the 20th anniversary tour, and, he being a black man, had an initial inquiry upon seeing the audience of Ray, are there any black Tull fans? But yeah some few of the guys I went to school with in Oak Park Illinois, long known for cutting edge racial relations and more recently for accepting and encouraging gay residents (as well as the home of Ernest Hemingway and Frank Lloyd Wright and loads of gangsters like Machine Gun Jack McGurn, or likely Kennedy assassination conspirator, then mob head Sam Giancana) were black and Tull fans, but had alot to do with growing up in a largely white environment. In the "hood" or even where my buddy Kevin grew up in a middle class black neighborhood on the south side, you would have been looking awhile even in 72 to find a black Tull fan, they barely even liked Jimi Hendrix, most considered him a sell out, and I doubt if Elvis Presley sold more than a few records in those neighborhoods, maybe oddly, the Beatles did pretty well.
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Post by fatman on Jul 2, 2009 16:15:14 GMT
Probably what Michael or Madonna needed was a good codpiece, in fact I think Madonna got one. My "problem" is not with touching or insinuating that area, ala Hendrix or Elvis for instance, its with living there and being pre occupied with it. Don't know which video in specific, likely several, but the dude never lets go. And you're right, Human Nature was a pretty song, mentioned a few days ago, which I came to thru Miles Davis' version, one of his last great ballads. Hearing Michael Jackson's version many years later I was surprised how little Miles changed from the original, so a heavenly star to the recently departed crothch grabber. I took my then boss and old friend Kevin to see Tull on the 20th anniversary tour, and, he being a black man, had an initial inquiry upon seeing the audience of Ray, are there any black Tull fans? But yeah some few of the guys I went to school with in Oak Park Illinois, long known for cutting edge racial relations and more recently for accepting and encouraging gay residents (as well as the home of Ernest Hemingway and Frank Lloyd Wright and loads of gangsters like Machine Gun Jack McGurn, or likely Kennedy assassination conspirator, then mob head Sam Giancana) were black and Tull fans, but had alot to do with growing up in a largely white environment. In the "hood" or even where my buddy Kevin grew up in a middle class black neighborhood on the south side, you would have been looking awhile even in 72 to find a black Tull fan, they barely even liked Jimi Hendrix, most considered him a sell out, and I doubt if Elvis Presley sold more than a few records in those neighborhoods, maybe oddly, the Beatles did pretty well. I didn't even know that MJ's Human Nature was a cover, or that Miles Davis had originally written it. Regarding the crotch-grabbing, even if Ian was not the first who started that -- you mention Elvis and Hendrix before him -- the difference is that Ian was doing that, as well as the flute phallicism, as a parody of the typical "rock star" image, which he found ludicrous and eschewed. Ian's act was a send-up of guys like Jagger and Plant who were doing it for real. Whereas those guys were seeking to attract young females, Ian was seeking to repulse them. It was all a big joke. Jeff
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 2, 2009 16:29:06 GMT
I saw that Michael Jackson liked Tull in 72 bit the other day too and thought about sharing it but reconsidered when I compared it against the year, and in 72 Tull was the flavor of the year, lots of people who have not liked them since liked them that year, though admittedly at least 95 per cent of their audience was white. I seriously doubt he was aware of them by Heavy Horses let alone now. My personal problem with Jackson's crotch grabbing is grabbing and not letting go for minutes on end, indeed arriving with package in hand, and in one of those videos he has several dancers mimmicking his moves. Okay u got a cock, they give those to all men. and Madonna with her big conical boobies .....Allo Allo ;D
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 2, 2009 16:32:28 GMT
I saw that Michael Jackson liked Tull in 72 bit the other day too and thought about sharing it but reconsidered when I compared it against the year, and in 72 Tull was the flavor of the year, lots of people who have not liked them since liked them that year, though admittedly at least 95 per cent of their audience was white. I seriously doubt he was aware of them by Heavy Horses let alone now. My personal problem with Jackson's crotch grabbing is grabbing and not letting go for minutes on end, indeed arriving with package in hand, and in one of those videos he has several dancers mimmicking his moves. Okay u got a cock, they give those to all men. and Madonna with her big conical boobies .....Allo Allo ;D Was it Elvis that started the whole sexual innuendo type music thang??
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 2, 2009 16:54:18 GMT
No, sexual innuendo pre-dates Elvis Presley
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Post by tullistray on Jul 2, 2009 17:16:10 GMT
Probably what Michael or Madonna needed was a good codpiece, in fact I think Madonna got one. My "problem" is not with touching or insinuating that area, ala Hendrix or Elvis for instance, its with living there and being pre occupied with it. Don't know which video in specific, likely several, but the dude never lets go. And you're right, Human Nature was a pretty song, mentioned a few days ago, which I came to thru Miles Davis' version, one of his last great ballads. Hearing Michael Jackson's version many years later I was surprised how little Miles changed from the original, so a heavenly star to the recently departed crothch grabber. I took my then boss and old friend Kevin to see Tull on the 20th anniversary tour, and, he being a black man, had an initial inquiry upon seeing the audience of Ray, are there any black Tull fans? But yeah some few of the guys I went to school with in Oak Park Illinois, long known for cutting edge racial relations and more recently for accepting and encouraging gay residents (as well as the home of Ernest Hemingway and Frank Lloyd Wright and loads of gangsters like Machine Gun Jack McGurn, or likely Kennedy assassination conspirator, then mob head Sam Giancana) were black and Tull fans, but had alot to do with growing up in a largely white environment. In the "hood" or even where my buddy Kevin grew up in a middle class black neighborhood on the south side, you would have been looking awhile even in 72 to find a black Tull fan, they barely even liked Jimi Hendrix, most considered him a sell out, and I doubt if Elvis Presley sold more than a few records in those neighborhoods, maybe oddly, the Beatles did pretty well. I didn't even know that MJ's Human Nature was a cover, or that Miles Davis had originally written it. Regarding the crotch-grabbing, even if Ian was not the first who started that -- you mention Elvis and Hendrix before him -- the difference is that Ian was doing that, as well as the flute phallicism, as a parody of the typical "rock star" image, which he found ludicrous and eschewed. Ian's act was a send-up of guys like Jagger and Plant who were doing it for real. Whereas those guys were seeking to attract young females, Ian was seeking to repulse them. It was all a big joke. Jeff Maybe it was unclear from what I wrote, but the reverse was true, Miles was doing a cover of the MJ tune. His other great latter day ballad was a beautiful cover of Time after Time. He always did that, could take the dumbest Broadway tune of the fifties and make it into something terribly beautiful. But he was often not a song writer per se, even the bouncing boy of 50, Kind of Blue, held by many to be his masterwork, is often up to dispute as to whether he or Bill Evans "composed" those pieces. But it was put best by Herbie Hancock of Miles remarkable early and mid sixties quintet, that as beautifully as the band might be playing, Miles had an innate ability to find the center, and when he would step in it often would turn into "the Garden of Eden."
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Post by tullistray on Jul 2, 2009 17:19:03 GMT
No, sexual innuendo pre-dates Elvis Presley Doubtless true in other cultures, and doubtlessly in Black American culture, but as to Americans of European descent, I would need to be reminded who before Elvis plied that territory on a stage.
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Post by tullistray on Jul 2, 2009 17:30:29 GMT
I saw that Michael Jackson liked Tull in 72 bit the other day too and thought about sharing it but reconsidered when I compared it against the year, and in 72 Tull was the flavor of the year, lots of people who have not liked them since liked them that year, though admittedly at least 95 per cent of their audience was white. I seriously doubt he was aware of them by Heavy Horses let alone now. My personal problem with Jackson's crotch grabbing is grabbing and not letting go for minutes on end, indeed arriving with package in hand, and in one of those videos he has several dancers mimmicking his moves. Okay u got a cock, they give those to all men. and Madonna with her big conical boobies .....Allo Allo ;D Well I darn sure know where she got those and completely ruined their allure in the process, it was from Bettie Page, a genuine American icon who passed the same day as Freddie Hubbard, and shortly before the incomparable purveyor of sensuality Eartha Kitt, all meriting barely a mention in the press, and all far more worthy of intense investigation than someone I mistakenly referred to as MJ, of course there is only one MJ in Chicago, Michael Jeffrey Jordan, and not the Chicago area Michael Jackson. As a man, I can submit that Madonna is just not that attractive, not her fault of course, and her obsession with sex renders it less potent than the somehow more innocent and certainly, in the 1950's, far more dangerous explorations of the ultimate girl next door, though they never live next to my door, Bettie Page, who initially sported those conical boobs in one of her famous bondage pictures.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 2, 2009 22:31:48 GMT
No, sexual innuendo pre-dates Elvis Presley Whaaat! sexual stuff pre 1960's no way
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 5, 2009 21:39:49 GMT
Damn... I entered the lottery for MJ funeral tickets...no plan to go, of course, but figured it would be a nice surprise for my LA friends if i called them up with a pair of tix they could trade for magic beans or something. Tix are going on ebay for thousands of $$ already...me? I would never scalp like that...a couple hundred would be plenty...some for me and some for a local homeless shelter...no, really!...anyway...I didn't win.
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