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Post by Budding Stately Hero on Feb 26, 2022 14:06:47 GMT
Over the past several years, I've noticed many bands (typically ones that are known for being great live performers) release monthly on their website or on sites like Nugs.net concerts from previous tours. Kiss is the most recent band that I've seen beginning to do this. The first bands were The Grateful Dead and Pearl Jam. I've noticed Knopfler doing it, too. Springsteen releases one every month and he's been doing it for years. A lot of these shows were once FM broadcasts from the 70's, King Biscuit shows, excellent soundboards, cleaned-up bootlegs, etc.
Other than the few shows that have been released on the box sets, are there many live recordings stowed away in the vault? One or two unheard shows from each tour would be nice. I'm not saying I would want ten shows from each tour, the way some bands are doing it. But, certainly there must be some still hidden. I would say there is still a market for Jull shows from the faithful.
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Post by jackinthegreen on Feb 26, 2022 16:45:30 GMT
Over the past several years, I've noticed many bands (typically ones that are known for being great live performers) release monthly on their website or on sites like Nugs.net concerts from previous tours. Kiss is the most recent band that I've seen beginning to do this. The first bands were The Grateful Dead and Pearl Jam. I've noticed Knopfler doing it, too. Springsteen releases one every month and he's been doing it for years. A lot of these shows were once FM broadcasts from the 70's, King Biscuit shows, excellent soundboards, cleaned-up bootlegs, etc. Other than the few shows that have been released on the box sets, are there many live recordings stowed away in the vault? One or two unheard shows from each tour would be nice. I'm not saying I would want ten shows from each tour, the way some bands are doing it. But, certainly there must be some still hidden. I would say there is still a market for Jull shows from the faithful. I'm sure that Ian said that every show was recorded from the mixing desk .....so every show could be made into a live recording.... If they wanted to....
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Post by Budding Stately Hero on Feb 26, 2022 19:17:50 GMT
Over the past several years, I've noticed many bands (typically ones that are known for being great live performers) release monthly on their website or on sites like Nugs.net concerts from previous tours. Kiss is the most recent band that I've seen beginning to do this. The first bands were The Grateful Dead and Pearl Jam. I've noticed Knopfler doing it, too. Springsteen releases one every month and he's been doing it for years. A lot of these shows were once FM broadcasts from the 70's, King Biscuit shows, excellent soundboards, cleaned-up bootlegs, etc. Other than the few shows that have been released on the box sets, are there many live recordings stowed away in the vault? One or two unheard shows from each tour would be nice. I'm not saying I would want ten shows from each tour, the way some bands are doing it. But, certainly there must be some still hidden. I would say there is still a market for Jull shows from the faithful. I'm sure that Ian said that every show was recorded from the mixing desk .....so every show could be made into a live recording.... If they wanted to.... Really? Well, as Mickey says in Rocky II, "What the Hell are we waiting for?" He should be putting a show out every month. We're all gonna be dead soon. We aren't all like Will Riker who plans on living forever.
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 27, 2022 9:26:54 GMT
I'm sure that Ian said that every show was recorded from the mixing desk .....so every show could be made into a live recording.... If they wanted to.... Really? Well, as Mickey says in Rocky II, "What the Hell are we waiting for?" He should be putting a show out every month. We're all gonna be dead soon. We aren't all like Will Riker who plans on living forever. I read sumewhere, probaly A New Day, that many of the soundboard recordings are for reference purposes and are not great quality. Having said that though many of the "recordings of indeterminate origin" noted as"soundboard" are quite good and just need a bit of TLC but that would take a lot of time, something that many don't have these days. One concert I would love to hear would be one of the JT Opera soundboard tapes; at the moment I've managed to get a fairly good recording from Moscow, of all places, and listen to that. I just hope that the Opera doesn't end up as a a "missing" legendary concert.
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 27, 2022 15:31:04 GMT
Really? Well, as Mickey says in Rocky II, "What the Hell are we waiting for?" He should be putting a show out every month. We're all gonna be dead soon. We aren't all like Will Riker who plans on living forever. I read sumewhere, probaly A New Day, that many of the soundboard recordings are for reference purposes and are not great quality. Having said that though many of the "recordings of indeterminate origin" noted as"soundboard" are quite good and just need a bit of TLC but that would take a lot of time, something that many don't have these days. One concert I would love to hear would be one of the JT Opera soundboard tapes; at the moment I've managed to get a fairly good recording from Moscow, of all places, and listen to that. I just hope that the Opera doesn't end up as a "missing" legendary concert. Store room/archive at Grange Farm when IA and family lived at Pophleys,
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Post by Budding Stately Hero on Feb 27, 2022 18:29:43 GMT
Really? Well, as Mickey says in Rocky II, "What the Hell are we waiting for?" He should be putting a show out every month. We're all gonna be dead soon. We aren't all like Will Riker who plans on living forever. I read sumewhere, probaly A New Day, that many of the soundboard recordings are for reference purposes and are not great quality. Having said that though many of the "recordings of indeterminate origin" noted as"soundboard" are quite good and just need a bit of TLC but that would take a lot of time, something that many don't have these days. One concert I would love to hear would be one of the JT Opera soundboard tapes; at the moment I've managed to get a fairly good recording from Moscow, of all places, and listen to that. I just hope that the Opera doesn't end up as a a "missing" legendary concert. That's true. Most of those soundboard recordings from most bands are not great quality. They are on the raw side. But, the one's released don't need to stand up to the rigors of what an official catalog live album does. They are just "Bootleg" releases for diehard fans. Yes, they need TLC. But, that's why they pay people to do the job. Have you seen the amount of releases Dylan and Springsteen have? Springsteen has released about 88....that is.....EIGHTY-EIGHT live bootlegs. He puts one a month out on Nugs. Springsteen's process from "choosing which shows" to "releasing that show" is no more than two months in advance. He pays people to do the job FOR HIM, and he just waits for the money to roll in, and the fanatics are loving it. ALL he does is APPROVE the final mix. That's it. He has a couple guys who mix the soundboard shows. Mixed by Jon Altschiller; Additional engineering by Danielle Warman and Mastered by Jon Altschiller. He does most of them. When it is a well-known classic release he gets Bob Clearmountain to mix it. Then, Nugs handles ALL production and shipping. If other bands of the same age are doing this, regularly, by hiring a couple guys to do the mixing and mastering, how is it that Anderson doesn't have time? He doesn't have to even do anything, except say, "Make this releasable." OR See these 200 shows? Pick the best sounding song from each one and put it on a reel for me to decide. Anderson: "Hey, you there, Mr. rookie technician. Wanna make a few pounds and get some experience? Go into this vault and find my 1971 show at Red Rocks. Take it out and here's my studio, have at it. Clean the show up for release on my website." Not enough time? Honestly? Have you seen how many Jack White / White Stripes have out? Have you seen how many Phish have out? 177 shows. Pear Jam? 489 Shows. Dave Matthews? 92 Shows. Metallica? 674 shows. Allman Brothers? 134 shows. (Not exactly spring chickens). Jethro Tull.....one show every 40th or 50th anniversary set. Tell me, who on this boards would not go acres wild over two unheard soundboard shows per tour?
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Post by jethrotull on Feb 28, 2022 0:02:16 GMT
Years ago Ian mentioned that he had quite a stash of live concert recordings of the band from over the years and that he tentatively planned to release them as on-line downloads (as many other bands have done). It seems the Covid lockdown would have been the ideal opportunity, but he was probably too busy with the new albums. I've always felt that the band was best in live performance and I would love to have more live Tull than I already have, but of course their best concerts by far were 45-50 years ago and I doubt that anything remains from back then that hasn't already been released. There are high quality soundboards from Just about every tour EXCEPT Aqualung through War Child, their finest years. Maybe when Ian finally decides he's Too Old to Rock'n Roll to tour he will get around to releasing more live material.
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Post by JTull 007 on Feb 28, 2022 1:31:36 GMT
LIVE TULL recordings ? So many to chose from... Ever since the 'bootleg invasion of the early 70's, every one became special. Many are done in places we all would want to have attended. BUT... Ian has concentrated on newer and more advanced recordings since 2002. "Living With The Past" became a special tour for several years and eventually "TAAB 1&2"
I understand the desire to have more but STUDIO TULL is the STANDARD for Ian. I think Ian gets anxious about any LIVE recording due to his own perspective. Listening to any LIVE performance he will be his harshish critic of all. He never is completely happy unless Steven Wilson takes charge of it.
However... With You Tube and internet file sharing many recordings are very unique. I still love to hear them just as I did in the good 'ole days
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Post by adospencer on Feb 28, 2022 11:09:46 GMT
Years ago Ian mentioned that he had quite a stash of live concert recordings of the band from over the years and that he tentatively planned to release them as on-line downloads (as many other bands have done). It seems the Covid lockdown would have been the ideal opportunity, but he was probably too busy with the new albums. I've always felt that the band was best in live performance and I would love to have more live Tull than I already have, but of course their best concerts by far were 45-50 years ago and I doubt that anything remains from back then that hasn't already been released. There are high quality soundboards from Just about every tour EXCEPT Aqualung through War Child, their finest years. Maybe when Ian finally decides he's Too Old to Rock'n Roll to tour he will get around to releasing more live material. I could never understand why Tull (and other bands in the 70s ) didn't release a live album from every tour. Not only would they have been snapped up in their thousands because back then the interest was phenomenal, but it would have put the bootleggers out of business at a stroke. Instead the record companies used to bash us for buying bootlegs ,seemingly missing the point that there was a demand and live Tull was so much more exciting than the (relatively) tame studio albums. Right up until "Bursting Out" (and disappointingly, even that was not one true concert) the only official live Tull was the rather underwhelming Piano and drum solos on "Living in the Past". No wonder some of us got so excited over poor quality audience recordings. Nowadays we have good quality recordings (usually Radio broadcasts) of most tours that mattered, but that boat sailed long ago really. Nowadays good live concerts are nice to have but not essential. Back in the day, Id have sold my soul for an official live "Warchild" or similar.
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Post by Budding Stately Hero on Feb 28, 2022 12:11:32 GMT
Years ago Ian mentioned that he had quite a stash of live concert recordings of the band from over the years and that he tentatively planned to release them as on-line downloads (as many other bands have done). It seems the Covid lockdown would have been the ideal opportunity, but he was probably too busy with the new albums. I've always felt that the band was best in live performance and I would love to have more live Tull than I already have, but of course their best concerts by far were 45-50 years ago and I doubt that anything remains from back then that hasn't already been released. There are high quality soundboards from Just about every tour EXCEPT Aqualung through War Child, their finest years. Maybe when Ian finally decides he's Too Old to Rock'n Roll to tour he will get around to releasing more live material. I could never understand why Tull (and other bands in the 70s ) didn't release a live album from every tour. Not only would they have been snapped up in their thousands because back then the interest was phenomenal, but it would have put the bootleggers out of business at a stroke. Instead the record companies used to bash us for buying bootlegs ,seemingly missing the point that there was a demand and live Tull was so much more exciting than the (relatively) tame studio albums. Right up until "Bursting Out" (and disappointingly, even that was not one true concert) the only official live Tull was the rather underwhelming Piano and drum solos on "Living in the Past". No wonder some of us got so excited over poor quality audience recordings. Nowadays we have good quality recordings (usually Radio broadcasts) of most tours that mattered, but that boat sailed long ago really. Nowadays good live concerts are nice to have but not essential. Back in the day, Id have sold my soul for an official live "Warchild" or similar. That's exactly right. I used to walk into independent record stores and say, "Got any bootlegs under the counter?" Record conventions drew bootleg buyers by the thousands.
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