hipflaskandy
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Post by hipflaskandy on Nov 7, 2012 9:02:43 GMT
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hipflaskandy
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Post by hipflaskandy on Nov 9, 2012 15:44:12 GMT
I kinda expected a deluge of responses to this thread. No opinions were forthcoming... Mebbe my 'oh dear, oh dear' was enough!
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 9, 2012 17:05:51 GMT
I was scared to listen...but I'll buck up and give it a chance this evening after work!
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 9, 2012 18:07:31 GMT
I kinda expected a deluge of responses to this thread. No opinions were forthcoming... Mebbe my 'oh dear, oh dear' was enough! You got it in one sir. Messing around with a masterpiece holds no truck with the fans. What next - One Direction sing "Songs From The Wood" or "Stormwatch" played on pan pipes ?
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hipflaskandy
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Post by hipflaskandy on Nov 9, 2012 20:02:16 GMT
Spot on MDF. My sentiments entirely. Somewhere on this guy's facebook page someone comments 'I wonder what Ian thinks of it?' - and whilst I (cheekily?) feel he'd first wanna know if proper dues were paid (for this chap making money from his music) ...I would also hope he'd want this dismal representation blown outta the water.
I'm sooooo minded of those dismal albums from decades back where 'Moog played the classics' (and other such travesties) - yuk.
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 9, 2012 21:19:31 GMT
I dunno......One Direction doing SFTW might be just where my 7 year old and i could meet these days !
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 10, 2012 14:10:01 GMT
I dunno......One Direction doing SFTW might be just where my 7 year old and i could meet these days ! Oh you old softie ;D And there's me beating the younger generation around the head with a house brick and you go on about compromise. "You will listen to Tull every now and again or it's off to your room, with just bread and water, for a week." ;D
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beans
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Post by beans on Nov 11, 2012 1:13:06 GMT
Hello Jethro Tull lovers and fans. I am in a privileged position to answer some of these questions that you have on Ohama and the "Thick as a Brick" synthe version. First I want to clarify that Ohama did go through the right channels and paid for the rights to reproduce this piece of work and his ethics and morals are of the highest amongst any of the artists I have known over the last thirty years. An honest musician goes through the correct channels so monies are once again put into the original creators pockets as it should be. In this day of sampling this is not always true. Please take the time to listen with fresh ears and perhaps look into some of Ohama's other albums and songs, a favorite of mine is the Earth Ambient Album and the song Earth. I also want to take you back a few steps through the production stages of TAAB as I heard some of the early versions as Ohama was in the creation process and it was truly done as an act of love and reverence to the original. The digital nintendo sounds that were created to replace Ian Anderson's flute; I too was shocked in the beginning and furrowed my brows as I looked at my friend and queried why? Patience and trust in my good friends genius held out and oh how he struggled to get a close rendition of Anderson's vocals to be able to give the truest performance but still maintain a true Ohama sound. The difficulties Ohama had is mentioned in his artists comments. His reasons of why this particular song of choice is also explained as a young man this album was Ohama's first and one of the most influential in the early days. When the synth version was released I listened to both the original and the synthe version in sync with two different windows on my computer; the two men or bands could be side by side, it is so very close, until perhaps the last twenty minutes. This for me was a wonderful experiment and I had the bass loud and filled my house with the two versions of "Thick as A Brick" taking me back thirty years to when I was a young woman and first fell in love with Jethro Tull. The new version kept me in the now as I am also a gamer and digital artist. These are just my thoughts and emotions around this wonderful piece of history revived and recreated a new and in my heart that is okay. I hope that you and others listen again and then share again. My child another generation grooves to the sounds of my youth, as I educate her in all that I know and still the wise men don't know how it feels to be as thick as a brick.
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tullist
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Post by tullist on Nov 11, 2012 5:34:50 GMT
O man Beans, that was seriously well written, sure hope you return here. Frankly I would not have given that a listen, prior to your insight, just tend to discount synthesizers and their derivative gizmotron keyboards of today, but, having said that, I ENTIRELY discount no instrument, so hopefully I will have a positive experience with it when I do have time to give it my attention. Good to hear u.
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Post by nonrabbit on Nov 11, 2012 9:39:04 GMT
Hello beans and Welcome to the ForumThank you so much for joining and I echo Tullist's point, thank you for taking the time to add to the thread. I'm looking at Tona Walt Ohama's FB at the moment and I intend to listen further encouraged by your post and his "about "page. I've never been a great fan of the synth-it wouldn't be my first instrument of choice. That might change - who knows? I never thought at one time that I would ever like Tull again after one disappointing album Where I'm totally with this version though is the respect and love he has for the album and the ability to make something of his own from it. Wish you all and Tona all the best and as Ray says, please drop by and post again. Cheers Patti nonrabbit
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 11, 2012 10:12:09 GMT
Welcome beans to the Jethro Tull Forum. Thanks for the clarification and I hope you enjoy looking around the site - there's lots to see. Maddog
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Post by thickandthinner on Nov 11, 2012 23:56:01 GMT
Gentlemen! All the negative comments regarding synthesizers left me wondering what the original Rock and Rollers thought, back in the 60's, when some mad Englishman jumped up onstage playing a flute, of all things!?!?!?!?
I imagine that anyone who would give the time, energy and dedication required to reproduce Tull's 40 year old masterpiece must really and truly love the original work. Does that not warrant at least a little bit of an open minded approach?
If this is in fact, a labour of love and intended as a heartfelt tribute, is it not possible that Ian Anderson might find it somewhat flattering?
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Post by thickandthinner on Nov 11, 2012 23:59:05 GMT
Oh, my apologies if the "Gentlemen!" greeting seemed sexist or non inclusive. That was honestly not my intent.
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tullist
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Post by tullist on Nov 12, 2012 0:42:13 GMT
In my case there was the following qualifier, " I ENTIRELY discount no instrument", but in the main synthesizers and sequencers hold a place in my musical perceptions that for other people would be the accordion. And if we are talking the grand applications of same by Genesis, ELP or Yes I by and large do not like this music, though most Tull fans do. I used to like the way Hawkwind or Sun Ra used them so who knows. And within Jethro Tull, particularly in live performance, the synthesizer and its relatives, particularly as applied by Peter Vittese or Don Airey, have easily been my least favorite colors in the Tull spectrum.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 12, 2012 8:53:52 GMT
Oh, my apologies if the "Gentlemen!" greeting seemed sexist or non inclusive. That was honestly not my intent. Apologies accepted thickandthinner I'm sure our lady members will be quite happy with a box of chocolates each at Christmas to make ammends. ;D In any case. welcome along to the Jethro Tull Forum. Have a good look around the place and enjoy what you see. Regards MD/Graham
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Post by nonrabbit on Nov 12, 2012 9:36:45 GMT
Gentlemen! All the negative comments regarding synthesizers left me wondering what the original Rock and Rollers thought, back in the 60's, when some mad Englishman jumped up onstage playing a flute, of all things!?!?!?!? I imagine that anyone who would give the time, energy and dedication required to reproduce Tull's 40 year old masterpiece must really and truly love the original work. Does that not warrant at least a little bit of an open minded approach? If this is in fact, a labour of love and intended as a heartfelt tribute, is it not possible that Ian Anderson might find it somewhat flattering? Hello thickandthinner and a Big Welcome to the ForumHope you enjoy looking around and look forward to you posts. I agree with your sentiments about the influence and how you interpret that in your own way - one man's (persons) meat is another man's poison after all ;D The genius of Ian Anderson's work will no doubt continue to inspire for generations to come. Cheers and Welcome again nonrabbit
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hipflaskandy
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Post by hipflaskandy on Nov 12, 2012 16:09:57 GMT
Don't get me wrong here... It's not that I don't like synths or music that features them My old LP collection is riddled with them used most effectively... But I'll not fence-sit on this matter. That would be dishonest of me. I just don't like what this chap has done to a treasured piece of music that I love dearly. However well-intentioned, however painstakingly achieved - the whole thing is a travesty to this listeners ears and mind. I can see the guy has talent - and lots of time to work on music! I cannot fault his application and dedication to a task - I just wish (from my own point of view, mind) that he hadn't bothered in this case.... Mebbe he could win me over with some original piece? He has skills, no doubt - but I was left nothing short of appalled by TAAB given this treatment - sorry for being forthright. I look forward with fear and trepidation to anyone now reproducing Ian's masterpieces in 'Panpipes Play Tull' format! However lovingly done - however competant - I will turn away feeling equally repulsed. I assure you. Not for me then - Nil pointes!
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ohama
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Post by ohama on Aug 23, 2022 13:00:55 GMT
Good day!
I'm not sure anyone will read this or comment. I know, it's an old post. 10 years old! Why am I responding now? Because earlier this year was the 50th Anniversary of Thick As A Brick and it is also coming up to the 10th Anniversary of my album Thick As A Brick The Synth Edition. Yes, I am that artist.
Getting older (aren't we all?) so wanted to say a few things before it is too late.
First, I'd like to thank Beans for commenting and defending my album. At the time I wasn't going to publicly say anything. Second, Beans mentions playing the 2 albums side by side. Yes, you can do that! They actually will sync up for the entire 43 minutes, but you have to do a reset at the beginning of side 2. Third, thanks to Beans for mentioning I pay royalties and do proper licensing. Getting proper permission is very important to me. In fact, the foundation of the album was MIDI file created by Adam Bodkin in Australia. I wrote to him to get permission to use his MIDI file. How many people do that?
I'd also like to thank those who actually listened to the album and sent me 'letters'. Some people hated it and even told me I should do something else (like woodwork ha ha!) but others wrote to say they loved it. One fellow in the UK told me it was his most-played album/song in iTunes that year. So there was a spectrum.
Many of you are artists as well, so you will understand what I'm about to say.
When I put out some music and people hate it and say "I don't like this and don't want to listen to it" I'm good with that.
When I put out some music and people hate it and say "I don't like this and you don't have the right to make this music" that kind of bothers me.
So I want to believe that everyone who told me I shouldn't have made this album didn't mean it like that. I want to believe it was not their intention to censor someone. I choose to believe that they were passionate about some music and maybe a little in shock that I covered it this way.
But remember please! I am a Jethro Tull fan too. 50 years now. Respect to Tull. Respect to all.
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