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Post by hawkmoth on Feb 5, 2012 1:35:57 GMT
hey 'Snowball' greetings from 'HawkMOUTH' or 'Hawkmoth'if ya spectacles work!!! I Read your First post with great interest It was a bit to the point but very fair comment i.m.o. I can tell you are a PASSIONATE FAN like myself and some others here!!! Ok Ian can do wtf he wants now,forget the real fans who put him where he is today. Tull is dead and buried,TAAB2 is a joke i.m.o. This is the weakest attempt ive ever seen to try to deliver the great music of once Jethro Tull No way Martin will come back now Sorry Ian he is worthy of better,Martin is in top 3 guitarists of all time. Martin has to 'move on along just like Mick. 2012 is a good year for tribute bands it seems
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Post by tullabye on Feb 5, 2012 2:46:12 GMT
Ian and Martin are moving into their middle sixties and have kept it together for over 40 yrs. No need to be so bitter. It wouldn't surprize me in the least if they were back together in a few years. Martin really has no where else to go. If Ian calls he'll be back and I think, and according to people in the Tull camp, it is not the end and if true there is a reasonble chance that they'll be back together. What is the problem if the man responsible for 99% of the groups output decides to do something with other musicians. You say that Martin will move along like Mick? That maybe true but Mick only lasted a year and your probably happy he decided to move along opening the way for Martin's 43+ yrs. Not at all the same. I know you are a passionate fan but I seriously doubt you're any more passionate than me and I am giving Brick 2 the chance it deserves.
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 5, 2012 3:25:42 GMT
Oh Canada...and my thumb outta my butt for a second and 'up' for the admirably optimistic proposal of a possibility of a chance of a hope that TAAB II is even better than the first....frankly...longshot....impossible....hell no ! those crumbs from the trailer sound REALLY GOOD.
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 5, 2012 11:05:02 GMT
Hello snowball and welcome to the Forum As they say about any relationship if there's still a bit of passion brewing - good or bad then there's still some hope I don't believe anything that's said in an interview or a statement anymore by anyone in the music/entertainment industry - unless it's something like a split or a death. So to speculate is even more misleading. Martin hasn't issued a statement to say he's left Tull and even if he is hedging his bets - why wasn't there the same furore from the fans when he left to make his solo albums or are we back to the timing of Ian deciding to take TAAB on tour without Martin? They have decided whether equally or not to do their own thing for a while - aren't we lucky that two great musicians can still do this and want to do this? To anyone who says that they will not see TAAB without Martin is, sorry imo, missing out and maybe missing the big picture. Look forward to your further posts on this or anything else on the great TUll saga.
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Post by ash on Feb 5, 2012 14:09:07 GMT
Who knows what Ian and Martin are saying to each other behind closed doors apart from them!Time will tell on that one and we can speculate until the cows come home. TBH it's getting a bit boring now!! I say wait until TAAB 2 comes out and enjoy or not. As Ian said you can watch X factor instead
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Post by bunkerfan on Feb 5, 2012 14:37:42 GMT
Who knows what Ian and Martin are saying to each other behind closed doors apart from them!Time will tell on that one and we can speculate until the cows come home. TBH it's getting a bit boring now!! I say wait until TAAB 2 comes out and enjoy or not. As Ian said you can watch X factor instead I agree ash. I'm looking forward to TAAB2 which will certainly be better that X factor.
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 5, 2012 14:48:14 GMT
Who knows what Ian and Martin are saying to each other behind closed doors apart from them!Time will tell on that one and we can speculate until the cows come home. TBH it's getting a bit boring now!! I say wait until TAAB 2 comes out and enjoy or not. As Ian said you can watch X factor instead They're no doubt killing themselves laughing as Ian said on the interview about TAAB2; "It's not for the fainthearted" ;D Gerald Bostock as we all know is embracing the 21st century and is now officially on Facebook - this was posted by Gerald yesterday; "Hey Jeffrey. That old sleaze-bag Anderson told me that Martin has other plans this year. Check out www.martinbarre.com for news of his solo dates and other projects..."
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Post by nobodyspecial on Feb 5, 2012 15:45:26 GMT
I think snowball has the right to his opinion and he likes to jump in right away and really he's not far off.
What I've been wondering and have caught in a recent IA interview where he speaks of going to Munich to his 'guitar friend' to transpose the TAAB2 pieces to sheet music. Who is that 'friend'? Could it be FO? I'm just curious, because if it is/was, wouldn't that show a certain amount of predetermination or choice that it wasn't going to be a JT album? Or that MB wasn't going to play? Or of course I could be 'off my rocker' and it could just be someone else that he uses to do the transposing.
We all better get use to TAAB2, no matter how it sounds, as having a bit of a divisive nature in the JT loyalist camp and in some ways will prolong the JT 'legend' - stir up the pot so to speak. But then of course, if one wants to believe that IA had a 'brainiac attack' and realised that and then followed up on it with the added idea that it would sell more 'old copy' by connecting the new listeners to the old back catalog, then he will probably succeed and be noted as a shrewd businessman too. Crazy man, it's just crazy.
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 5, 2012 17:33:28 GMT
Florian is from Munich....a point against him in my book...Hamburg and Berlin are two of the nicest places on the planet...plenty of other great places in German-lands as well...but Munich has always felt like the Texas of Germany to me...all of Bavaria, in fact, gives me the same creeps I get in Texas. I think they have a bunch of high tech recording studios...plenty of albums recorded or mixed in Munich over the years.
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 5, 2012 18:40:31 GMT
Florian is from Munich....a point against him in my book...Hamburg and Berlin are two of the nicest places on the planet...plenty of other great places in German-lands as well...but Munich has always felt like the Texas of Germany to me...all of Bavaria, in fact, gives me the same creeps I get in Texas. I think they have a bunch of high tech recording studios...plenty of albums recorded or mixed in Munich over the years. I thought Munich and Bavaria quite beautiful however I was only young so not out on the razz of an evening. Somehow get the impression that the razz might be a bit boring. Just as well I don't write travel blogs - I'd be $h1t
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 5, 2012 18:43:38 GMT
Did he say that he started writing the songs last february? Wonder if he knew the line-up then. Surely, must have done.
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Post by futureshock on Feb 5, 2012 21:35:03 GMT
Rating an album before it is released is Thick As A Brick. I'm going to go to Edward De Bono's website and see if premature psychological ejaculation is considered a recommended thinking skill. Maybe the Romans used it. A lot.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Feb 5, 2012 21:46:25 GMT
Okay,,,here's what IA says, about it 'not being' a JT Album. "It’s my album and that’s indeed the original Thick As A Brick, something I wrote – nobody else did, it was only me. So I guess I’m just having a slightly Roger Waters selfish moment and making people realize I am the author of this, not the members of the band that were there in 1972.........I felt this was something that probably deserved to feature my own name rather more prominently, and so it does.
As to my own question of transposing it in Munich - "I went off to Munich and spent the day with my guitar player friend. We made some demos of the whole thing in a few hours. Then I came back and spent another day in the studio home of our keyboard player and we started to work on the scores of that." (He states earlier that he wrote the lyrics in January 2011, and the idea started in late 2010)....
"..We put it all into the software program called Sibelius, created a huge musical score of the whole album which was given out to the other band members in March last year."...He doesn't say who 'we' is.
It's all pretty obvious - he doesn't really seem to care one way or the other whether this is a JT album or not - just that he gets the credit for it (which most would do in this case anyway, yes?) BUT it is NOT a JT album seemingly and somewhat 'officially' off his lips. So, like it or not (it's still a bit 'crazy' to me) it is what he says.
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Post by futureshock on Feb 5, 2012 22:02:16 GMT
I vote for apathy on this issue. I'd be glad if there never was another Jethro Tull album released, if it meant that healthy and spontaneous creativity was happening, instead of "contractual obligation recording #29". Both Ian and Martin are talking about new projects and "Jethro Tull" isn't part of either. A toast!
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 5, 2012 23:39:03 GMT
Rating an album before it is released is Thick As A Brick. I'm going to go to Edward De Bono's website and see if premature psychological ejaculation is considered a recommended thinking skill. Maybe the Romans used it. A lot. Your post made me google Edward De Bono however I stopped short googling premature psychological ejaculation
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 6, 2012 2:39:33 GMT
Just as well....I'd give 'apathy' the thumbs up but i just don't care.
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 6, 2012 8:35:55 GMT
Did he say that he started writing the songs last february? Wonder if he knew the line-up then. Surely, must have done. If Martin Barre jumped ship before the idea of TAAB2 had fully taken shape then IA would have had no option but to record the piece as a solo album with the IA Band line-up.
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 6, 2012 19:05:48 GMT
I suspect Martin was less enthusiastic and positions hardened and led to unfortunate, hopefully temporary, parting of the ways....old guys are stubborn...and don't disagree with me or else. When we mourn original brick line-up losses we should also reckon on D. Palmer's role in brick and current abscense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 19:56:43 GMT
While you wait... WAIT!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 19:58:51 GMT
I suspect Martin was less enthusiastic and positions hardened and led to unfortunate, hopefully temporary, parting of the ways....old guys are stubborn...and don't disagree with me or else. When we mourn original brick line-up losses we should also reckon on D. Palmer's role in brick and current abscense. Favourite artists: Nick Kershaw, Steve Winwood, Keith Urban, Don Henley, Robben Ford, Scott Henderson, Mark Knoffler, Fairport Convention, Gary Brooker and band!, Go West with Alan Murphy! www.martinbarre.com/index.cfm/aboutWhat about IAN?
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 6, 2012 20:25:17 GMT
I know, right? As they say on fruity sit-coms...and they say 'really? REALLY?' and 'SERIOUSLY' blechhhh on the mainstream ( unless I like it. )
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Post by Essan on Feb 7, 2012 17:39:08 GMT
Okay, so it's disappointing that Martin isn't involved, but on the other hand this sounds much better than anything I ever imagined we'd get from Ian or Tull in the 21st century. I really thought it was going to be whimsical ditties about cats and coffee in pavement cafes till the end of time .... Ian has genuinely surprised me.
Can't wait for Oxford on 2nd May!
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Post by futureshock on Feb 8, 2012 5:19:31 GMT
TAAB2 cymbalism; somewhere in the St. Cleve daily there needs to be some character selling bricks in packages of two. "Mort Arinladle, provider of custom bricks. Spring Specials! This week; brick 1 and 2 while supplies last."
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Post by parkbench on Feb 8, 2012 19:16:39 GMT
Someone progressiveears has interviewed Ian for the Classic Rock society. Ian has said that the decision to not tour this as Jethro Tull was mutual. Martin, apparently, doesn't consider Thick As A Brick era his favourite Tull period, and wanted to do some solo projects. Ian did not want to use the Jethro Tull name as there would be no link to the original lineup apart from himself, and he did not think he would be right to call it Tull. So it's Ian Anderson solo. Also, he revealed that there is going to be a new Passion Play remix in the future, and he may remove some of the instruments on it. Check out the thread on www.progressiveears.com
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Post by futureshock on Feb 8, 2012 20:25:26 GMT
They should all just leave APP alone, it's already been remastered, and the TAAB2 project sounds like a refreshing restart to creativity, Ian correctly stated that there won't be a APP2, so my advice would be to move directly past TAAB2 when the time is right, into something having NOTHING to do with previous Tull recordings. NOTHING! It would be nothing but destructive entropy to fiddle with APP apart from perhaps a clinical remix of existing data if the audio would gain quality by a digital remix, but not for an after-thought set of corrections. Leave APP alone in terms of its original creativity.
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Post by onewhiteduck on Feb 8, 2012 21:45:06 GMT
I got the mobile fidelity gold CD of Tull's greatest album and it sounds great to my untrained ear. Can it be improved? .... well I don't care because I just love this remastered A Passion Play and will always listen with astonishment and awe of the finest album ( CD ) in my collection.
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 8, 2012 21:48:27 GMT
yeah.....APP does not need very much re-visiting and improving...on the other hand...as long as they can't come to my house and get the original out of my clenched fingers, they're free to fiddle and offer alternatives....I've read regrets about the saxex but i think the sopranino sax parts are one of the factors that make APP great...I mean, they can't make us turn in our CDs ....can they ?
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Post by futureshock on Feb 9, 2012 1:04:10 GMT
"Why take any sax out?"......Coleman Hawkins
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 1:04:30 GMT
Look! Igloo on full power. Off-the-grid, man. Off-the-grid. Primal Tull music. I love APP. This thing speaks to me. The music calls out to me probably more than any other Tull album. I haven't heard a CD/LP that I didn't like. I love the MFSL gold CD. It is nice to have the track listing, easier to hop like a hare on this CD (couldn't resist) around the tracks. Ian was kidding, right? He wants those other brass instruments removed so that he has a better chance at playing this live and getting away with it being authentic like TAAB & TAAB2 (if he were to play it on the 2013 tour). That's not likely to happen (slight joke on his behalf). 5.1 mix is the request from here. 24bit stereo. YES! Cheers! Canadian LP Remaster All along the icy wastes there are faces smiling in the gloom. Roll up roll down, Feeling unwound? ----- step into the viewing room. The cameras were all around. We've got you taped ----- you're in the play. Here's your I.D. (Ideal for identifying one and all.) Invest your life in the memory bank ----- ours the interest and we thank you.
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 9, 2012 8:34:14 GMT
They should all just leave APP alone, it's already been remastered, and the TAAB2 project sounds like a refreshing restart to creativity, Ian correctly stated that there won't be a APP2, so my advice would be to move directly past TAAB2 when the time is right, into something having NOTHING to do with previous Tull recordings. NOTHING! It would be nothing but destructive entropy to fiddle with APP apart from perhaps a clinical remix of existing data if the audio would gain quality by a digital remix, but not for an after-thought set of corrections. Leave APP alone in terms of its original creativity. Agreed. A precious artifact in the Jethro Tull Hall of Fame
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