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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 17:59:19 GMT
For years now there have been negative comments on Tull forums about when will there be a new album! Now we get one and yes its more of the same!!!! . I can't believe what I'm reading Sorry guys but all I can say is move on it's not the seventies any more . Be happy that Ian is still out there performing of us and has come up with something new Some people will miss the between the lines stuff of this post. I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 18:01:18 GMT
Posted because it is easy to cut&paste ;D
Regarding Thick as a Brick1972 “The day would normally begin with me getting up really early in order to have two or three hours in which to write some music, which I then presented to the band as material that I’d written weeks before! We’d run through it, with the band adding their thoughts and ideas as we went along, and we developed it along with the music we had rehearsed the day before. So it built up sequentially day by day. It started at the beginning, and every day we added a bit more, sometimes reprising one of the earlier ideas in some way. By the end of about two weeks we had the whole thing rehearsed from beginning to end, in the way we were actually going to record it. Because of that, because we all knew it as a band, we recorded it in only about a week, which was really quickly. In fact the recording was so much easier than putting the cover together!” - Ian Anderson Minstrels In The Gallery a history of Jethro Tull by David Rees
The do-er and the thinker: no allowance for the other
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Post by snaffler on Feb 3, 2012 18:03:54 GMT
For years now there have been negative comments on Tull forums about when will there be a new album! Now we get one and yes its more of the same!!!! . I can't believe what I'm reading Sorry guys but all I can say is move on it's not the seventies any more . Be happy that Ian is still out there performing of us and has come up with something new i agree there has been a fair bit of whining about no new tull material over the past few years. i cant wait to hear the new stuff and the studio versions of we've already heard in concert such as change of horses and adrift and dumbfounded.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Feb 3, 2012 18:14:04 GMT
Having now even more time to over-think TAAB2, the main reason I still have any doubts is that continues on arguably with one of the best 'rock' efforts by any band and moves forward w/o the named band doing it - it's still going to be a IA Solo effort - and I'm thinking that's the thing that will not settle out, no matter how good it turns out to be. His explaining the reason for using non-JT members MB and DP seem a bit hollow.
I have to wonder if he understands how many fans were affected by TAAB1 - I mean it totally changed my ways of thinking or at least combined many of my thoughts into some useful bits of brain-matter that made sense to me - not unlike having your eyes opened by Aristotle or other deep thinkers from the past. That was in the 'way-back-world' - I wouldn't expect the same affect now from TAAB2. I'm wiser, older-creaking-bones-starting, to be sucked in so easily in a continuation by a IA solo band effort - note by note, instrument to instrument I'll combine it to see if it really paints the JT power and complexity of yore.
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 18:17:56 GMT
Admit it TooTull...you have good eyesight, insight and foresight...
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Post by ash on Feb 3, 2012 18:33:32 GMT
For years now there have been negative comments on Tull forums about when will there be a new album! Now we get one and yes its more of the same!!!! . I can't believe what I'm reading Sorry guys but all I can say is move on it's not the seventies any more . Be happy that Ian is still out there performing of us and has come up with something new i agree there has been a fair bit of whining about no new tull material over the past few years. i cant wait to hear the new stuff and the studio versions of we've already heard in concert such as change of horses and adrift and dumbfounded. Indeed . I'm not "living in the past"
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Post by nobodyspecial on Feb 3, 2012 18:59:42 GMT
'ash', you may not be 'living in the past' but then, what is IA doing with TAAB2? Living in the present through the Past? (this is where a smiley face would go)
I hope you're correct with 'change of horses', etc., sounding good, because in the two live IA solo shows I attended the sound was 'off' and his voice was too. Remember while many asked for 'new' JT material (including me, though I stopped asking after it seemed it was just going to be more 'JT in the Past' live shows) the expectations - of course would be for MB to be involved - and those musings will go on. TAAB2 is NOT a JT effort, it's IA's thing.
That's going to continue to set up wonderings by many - and that had to be expected by IA when he started this whole thing. The one thing that IS like old JT-Times - we never, ever, were correct in what JT would do next just like we never could anticipate what the next lyric would be or which way a melody would go - so in that way this latest thing is back to the old days!!! Controlled mayhem!!!
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Post by ash on Feb 3, 2012 19:19:12 GMT
I think you miss my point. The past is the pass and Tull or Ian will never be the same again as will any of us! Life moves on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 19:32:06 GMT
Admit it TooTull...you have good eyesight, insight and foresight... Ostensibly motionless, the steelmonkey was trembling with excitement, for without his TAAB2 he was completely helpless. Where was his TAAB2? Could someone have stolen them (DVD&CD)? Should he order them? What was he to do? Bee wanted to help, and thinking he had the answer began: "You probably ate them thinking they were a brick cake.'' "No!'' interrupted Owl, who was wise. "I have good eye-sight, insight, and foresight. How could an intelligent steelmonkey make such a silly mistake?'' But all this time, Owl had been sitting on the fence, scowling! Kangaroo were hopping mad at this sort of talk. She thought herself far superior in intelligence to the others. She was their leader, their guru. She had the answer: "steelmonkey, you must go in search of the local CD store.'' But then she realized that steelmonkey was completely helpless without his TAAB2. And so, Kangaroo loudly proclaimed, "I can't send Steelmonkey in search of anything!'' "You can guru, you can!'' shouted Newt. "You can send him with Owl.'' But Owl had gone to sleepzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz brick cake!
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 19:42:55 GMT
You can't be too rich, too thin, too high nor TooTull. That's my story and I'm sticking to(o) it.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Feb 3, 2012 19:45:29 GMT
'ash', I do understand your point - I for one never expected the same album or style year after year. However, I became spoiled by the excellence of each effort JT produced. That 'sonic excellence' became my only expectation, and since it repeatedly happened with the obvious IA/MB core always present, those two members became/were JT by default. That's a common feeling by most JT fans.
So, after so much time of that being the case, when IA decides to do TAAB2 with his 'solo' band it's not about the 70's, it's about what had become a 40 year traditional line-up - the glue that has been - no longer being present or complete. Time could move along faster if it was an easy idea to grasp - but MB's 'sonic power' in JT over the years is huge and the passions around that sound are too. I actually think that is a healthy testimony to JT, it's sound, and it's fans; whether JT goes on w/o MB (and DP) only time will tell - but the legend of what the 'sound' of JT was will more than likely always point back to IA and MB.
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Post by hawkmoth on Feb 3, 2012 19:49:48 GMT
Well after waiting patiently for 13 years for a new TULL record,suppose this is the best we are gonna get from IA HQ. As Martin stated 'There will be no new TULL record for foreseeable future'. I will give this recording a chance and hope it is good . I really think if an album as important as TAAB is to be followed up it MUST be a TULL effort to be taken seriuosly by hardcore TULL fans. I often wonder how much input the 70's lineup had with the music which was only credited to Ian. Could explain why the 70's music was the best the band ever produced The brilliant instrumental section of Minstrel apparently written by Martin. How can you really better this though www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft7jvTTPPI4
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 19:51:08 GMT
You can't be too rich, too thin, too high nor TooTull. That's my story and I'm sticking to(o) it. AlsoTull in addition; also; furthermore; moreover: young, clever, and rich too. I didn't make that up! Holy laugh! Robin save the day. What a laugh. dictionary.reference.com/browse/too
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 20:09:05 GMT
Interesting wording here. ultimateclassicrock.com/ian-anderson-thick-as-a-brick-two/Jethro Tull’s Ian Anderson Announces Sequel to Classic ‘Thick As a Brick’ Album - Meanwhile, Anderson — who has been working more and more on solo projects under his own name in recent years — has more solo material expected to drop this year. ”New [solo] recordings are scheduled for release in 2012,” reads a post on his website.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Feb 3, 2012 20:16:58 GMT
As I've said, I will buy it and probably end up obscessively comparing musicianship - as I do with any new music from any one or group. I expect it to be as well done as any IA Solo effort - it is what it is.
I for one as a very dedictated JT (manic?) hardcore, listener/fan, TAAB2 will always be what IA says it is - an IA Solo effort. Now, if he produces another album with 'JT' on the label with his 'solo band' as is TAAB2, then well, it would obviously be considered a 'new' JT album. That's another whole untold may never happen story.
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 3, 2012 21:18:53 GMT
Admit it TooTull...you have good eyesight, insight and foresight... Ostensibly motionless, the steelmonkey was trembling with excitement, for without his TAAB2 he was completely helpless. Where was his TAAB2? Could someone have stolen them (DVD&CD)? Should he order them? What was he to do? Bee wanted to help, and thinking he had the answer began: "You probably ate them thinking they were a brick cake.'' "No!'' interrupted Owl, who was wise. "I have good eye-sight, insight, and foresight. How could an intelligent steelmonkey make such a silly mistake?'' But all this time, Owl had been sitting on the fence, scowling! Kangaroo were hopping mad at this sort of talk. She thought herself far superior in intelligence to the others. She was their leader, their guru. She had the answer: "steelmonkey, you must go in search of the local CD store.'' But then she realized that steelmonkey was completely helpless without his TAAB2. And so, Kangaroo loudly proclaimed, "I can't send Steelmonkey in search of anything!'' "You can guru, you can!'' shouted Newt. "You can send him with Owl.'' But Owl had gone to sleepzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz brick cake! Hahahahaha great post one smiley coming up
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 21:31:17 GMT
rich, very rich...
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 3, 2012 21:35:01 GMT
Professor(gained thanks to the internet) Nonrabbit has stumbled upon an interesting and perhaps until now a relatively lesser known theory re the Gerald Bostock saga.
As I was pondering the last few posts and in reflection of the points raised I thought about the tale of The Emperor's New Clothes and it's cultural meaning as explained here;
"..Historically, the tale established Andersen's reputation ...... whose stories actually imparted lessons of value for his juvenile audience, and "romanticized" children by "investing them with the courage to challenge authority and to speak truth to power."
Was our Anderson influenced by Hans Christian Andersen's tale and in particular by the young boy challenging authority by shouting to the crowds; "He's not wearing anything! - (are you all thick)?"
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 4, 2012 12:48:44 GMT
For years now there have been negative comments on Tull forums about when will there be a new album! Now we get one and yes its more of the same!!!! . I can't believe what I'm reading Sorry guys but all I can say is move on it's not the seventies any more . Be happy that Ian is still out there performing of us and has come up with something new i agree there has been a fair bit of whining about no new tull material over the past few years. i cant wait to hear the new stuff and the studio versions of we've already heard in concert such as change of horses and adrift and dumbfounded. It's an interesting thought to wonder what lies unissued from the TAAB2 sessions and earlier studio time, in the last three years. Hare In The Winecup The Donkey And The Drum (instrumental) Birnam Wood To Dunsinane (instrumental) Child Of My Garden
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 4, 2012 13:28:46 GMT
Not to mention my fave: Tea w/princess and perhaps a whole bunch recorded with Anoushka Shankar...plenty for the 50 year box.
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Post by harrowman on Feb 4, 2012 14:31:06 GMT
Surely the point is that at last we will have new music to listen to and hopefully enjoy. As far as I can see this whole venture has been advertised an an IA solo project not a JT album. Btw if Excalibur is any representation of a MB solo project then god help us. I would much prefer an IA solo show any time of day
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Post by ash on Feb 4, 2012 14:46:52 GMT
Surely the point is that at last we will have new music to listen to and hopefully enjoy. As far as I can see this whole venture has been advertised an an IA solo project not a JT album. Btw if Excalibur is any representation of a MB solo project then god help us. I would much prefer an IA solo show any time of day Yeah I would have to agree and did it ever say anywhere this is a Tull album?. As much as I like MB, Ian's solo stuff imo is fantastic. Plus for me over the years he has increased his flute playing which for me as a player and lover of the flute is great
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 4, 2012 15:08:10 GMT
Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull talks to TotalRock TV of his new album sequel, Thick as a Brick 2 and tour dates.
Credit - TotalRockRadio
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Post by ash on Feb 4, 2012 15:31:16 GMT
Thanks for posting ..........I can't wait to hear it!!! Where did Ian take her LOL
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 4, 2012 17:03:32 GMT
58 more days...only brightened thus far by 6 days in Mexico form 2-18 thru 2-24 and a concert on 3-6 by my friend Stew and his band 'The Negro Problem' who, amongst other things like gret albums and a Tony winning Bdwy play called 'Passing Strange' also did a song for a Sponge Bob Squarepants episode ( Gary's Song) which impresses my daughter and gets dedicated to her when they play in SF...woo hoo...making a fangirl out of my impressionable kid already. Check out Stew...you tube: Keys, Black Men Ski, Sebastian Cabot or Rehab. I need a hobby...or a life...or something....
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Post by snowball on Feb 4, 2012 21:07:24 GMT
Greetings. My first post, unfortunately, will be one of dissapointment. I'm not going to sugar-coat my feelings. Now we know why Martin is upset. Quite simply, it's inconsiderate of Ian not to have included Martin and Doane on this release. We've waited far too long for a true Jethro Tull album, and we still won't have one. I saw Ian solo in 2010, and was very unimpressed. It wasn't on the level of the Tull I saw in 2007, let alone the Tull I saw in the 80's. For all the complaining Ian did about the music industry being unsupportive to album-making, and using that as an excuse not to produce an actual Tull album since 1999 is duplicitous at best. The studio is the one place where Ian doesn't have to strain his voice over the instruments, and it's a lot less wearing on the other band members and Ian himself than the constant, pointless touring which Ian foistered upon the other band members, who I am sure would rather have put together their creative juices and contributed AS A BAND to a new Tull album. We, the fans, get this instead. I won't be supporting it, shall not see it live, and will not purchase the album. Sorry Ian, you really dropped the ball over the last 10 years.
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Post by futureshock on Feb 4, 2012 21:25:00 GMT
After viewing that new interview video posted above, I do now get the feeling, with the extra info Ian offered up, that the TAAB2 album may be in the end a better album than TAAB1 in some, but not all respects. The new writing will be more organized and probably more scope and consideration involved, due to the massive gain in life experience and appreciation for issues Ian has now vs in 1972 or whenever TAAB1 arrived on the scene.
I was listening to TAAB1 last night and thought that some of the issues and music attempted on side2 were interesting to tackle, but that the (shall we say) limits to growth became evident and Tull was at it's limit if not slightly past it. That's OK, not complaining. But now comes TAAB2 with perhaps higher quality oversight in the creative setup.
Now, what remains is for the music to match the lyrics to match the creative concept, and that's always been a strong skill applied by the Tullies.
So expect the music created to have a slightly different flavour due to the different people involved between the two albums.
To "snowball", all I can say is, "it's not released yet", so stop blasting away like a Taliban on a schoolhouse or a southern Baptist who's never read the novel they're burning. If you want to vote for the Silly Party, wait for the nomination of Tarquin Limbimbimbustopf'tangf'tangolebiscuitbarrel and volunteer for his campaign committee. They accept VISA and Earl Grey tea.
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 4, 2012 21:52:00 GMT
OOOHHHHH Trauma...pain..where I least expected it ( Tull forum) I had a girlfriend who called me snowball as in 'when me met you had a snowball's chance in hell of getting me in bed' she went back and forth between me and brand x for about a year....landing on brand x in the end leaving me a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting back with her....or maybe TAAB II is an omen ? She didn't hate Tull...just didn't much care...
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Post by boydie1 on Feb 4, 2012 22:55:37 GMT
Greetings. My first post, unfortunately, will be one of dissapointment. I'm not going to sugar-coat my feelings. Now we know why Martin is upset. Quite simply, it's inconsiderate of Ian not to have included Martin and Doane on this release. We've waited far too long for a true Jethro Tull album, and we still won't have one. I saw Ian solo in 2010, and was very unimpressed. It wasn't on the level of the Tull I saw in 2007, let alone the Tull I saw in the 80's. For all the complaining Ian did about the music industry being unsupportive to album-making, and using that as an excuse not to produce an actual Tull album since 1999 is duplicitous at best. The studio is the one place where Ian doesn't have to strain his voice over the instruments, and it's a lot less wearing on the other band members and Ian himself than the constant, pointless touring which Ian foistered upon the other band members, who I am sure would rather have put together their creative juices and contributed AS A BAND to a new Tull album. We, the fans, get this instead. I won't be supporting it, shall not see it live, and will not purchase the album. Sorry Ian, you really dropped the ball over the last 10 years. I totally agree except that I think he dropped the ball 20 yrs ago rather than 10. Thick As A Brick is a classic rock album made by people who were masters of their craft - Anderson is an absolute prat to try and boost his waning profile by doing TAAB 2 - ridiculous...
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Post by boydie1 on Feb 4, 2012 22:59:57 GMT
After viewing that new interview video posted above, I do now get the feeling, with the extra info Ian offered up, that the TAAB2 album may be in the end a better album than TAAB1 in some, but not all respects. The new writing will be more organized and probably more scope and consideration involved, due to the massive gain in life experience and appreciation for issues Ian has now vs in 1972 or whenever TAAB1 arrived on the scene. I was listening to TAAB1 last night and thought that some of the issues and music attempted on side2 were interesting to tackle, but that the (shall we say) limits to growth became evident and Tull was at it's limit if not slightly past it. That's OK, not complaining. But now comes TAAB2 with perhaps higher quality oversight in the creative setup. Now, what remains is for the music to match the lyrics to match the creative concept, and that's always been a strong skill applied by the Tullies. So expect the music created to have a slightly different flavour due to the different people involved between the two albums. To "snowball", all I can say is, "it's not released yet", so stop blasting away like a Taliban on a schoolhouse or a southern Baptist who's never read the novel they're burning. If you want to vote for the Silly Party, wait for the nomination of Tarquin Limbimbimbustopf'tangf'tangolebiscuitbarrel and volunteer for his campaign committee. They accept VISA and Earl Grey tea. Better than TAAB 1 .....PLLLLLEEAASE....wft?
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