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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2011 2:13:37 GMT
It never ends... www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2011-06-09/music/somehow-jethro-tull-toppled-metallica-for-a-grammy-upset/Somehow, Jethro Tull Toppled Metallica for a Grammy Upset A A A Comments (1) By Michael Escoto Thursday, Jun 9 2011 One of the best moments on The Simpsons was in a 1993 episode in which we learned that Homer, Principal Skinner, Barney, and Apu were in a barbershop quartet called The Be Sharps. The group was so good that they won a Grammy award for best "Barbershop Quartet Album." At one point, Homer doesn't have change to tip a bellboy, so he offers him his Grammy statue. The bellboy, after seeing it's a Grammy, throws it off a balcony, and an off-screen voice yells, "Hey, don't throw your garbage down here." Yeah, it was a sick burn. Some 18 years later, most people's opinion of the Grammys hasn't changed much. Most journalists and musicians consider the annual award ceremony to be out of touch, and the reputation is somewhat deserved. That's not to say voters don't occasionally get it right. Sometimes, hindsight changes our perception of whether they got it right or not. After all, it seems pretty crazy to think Milli Vanilli would ever get a Grammy now, but in 1990, it probably wasn't so far-fetched. Sometimes, though, the Grammys simply get it wrong. Dead wrong. After a three-year break, Jethro Tull released Crest of a Knave in 1987. For the most part, Jethro Tull was known as a blues-rock band that occasionally added elements of folk music to their songs. They're also one of the few rock bands to heavily incorporate flute in their sound. On Crest of a Knave, the band attempted to go in a beefier direction, with more electric-guitar-driven rock. Still, calling the album "hard rock" was a stretch. Crest was harder than Aqualung or Thick as a Brick, to be sure, but not by much. The following year, Metallica released its fourth album (and the first after bassist Cliff Burton's death), . . . And Justice for All. The record is largely considered by most fans to be one of their best albums. And thanks in large part to MTV's heavy rotation of the video for "One," it was also the record that helped launch them into the mainstream. On paper, these two albums, Crest of a Knave and . . . And Justice for All, couldn't be more different. One record was essentially the very definition of "heavy," and the other, well, it featured someone playing the flute. Ask any metalhead, and he will tell you there is nothing "heavy" about the flute. Despite their dissimilarities, in 1989, both Metallica and Jethro Tull found themselves nominated at the 31st Grammy Awards in the "Best Hard Rock/Metal" category (it was also the first year the category existed). Also nominated that year were AC/DC, Iggy Pop, and Jane's Addiction. Metallica was clearly the favorite to win. Even Jethro Tull thought so — they were so convinced they had no chance to win that no one from the band showed up to accept the award from presenters Alice Cooper and Lita Ford. In all fairness to Jethro Tull, Crest of a Knave isn't a bad record; it just doesn't really belong in the same category as . . . And Justice for All. Though the decision to give the award to Jethro Tull instead of Metallica didn't make any sense at all, both bands seemed to have a good amount of fun with it afterwards. Metallica added "Grammy Award LOSERS" to subsequent pressings of . . . And Justice for All. Jethro Tull took out an ad in Billboard magazine with a picture of a flute and the words "The flute is a heavy, metal instrument." The Grammy for Crest remains Jethro Tull's only one, but the win remains one of the most memorable in Grammy history. After all, how many bands can say they were more metal than Metallica, if only for one night?
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Jun 9, 2011 8:00:14 GMT
Post by maddogfagin on Jun 9, 2011 8:00:14 GMT
The debate in the press never frickin' ends does it. Why can't they just accept the result after all these years and acknowledge the better band won on the night.
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Jun 9, 2011 14:44:26 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2011 14:44:26 GMT
The debate in the press never frickin' ends does it. Why can't they just accept the result after all these years and acknowledge the better band won on the night. The above post was from my long lost brother. It must be! grins from ear to here
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 24, 2011 14:16:47 GMT
The debate in the press never frickin' ends does it. Why can't they just accept the result after all these years and acknowledge the better band won on the night. The above post was from my long lost brother. It must be! One for my Canadian brother
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 17:42:15 GMT
The above post was from my long lost brother. It must be! One for my Canadian brother Strange thing about Knave being the Grammy winner, Knave is at the bottom of my Tull album list. Quality acknowledged. Long lost Tull bro. LOL Encore! Some Gallery pics? Not too demanding, eh. Let's ring out every last detail about Minstrel in the Gallery. Thanks, & I'll drink to your health although it will probably kill me. (still LOL)
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 25, 2011 7:57:43 GMT
One for my Canadian brother Strange thing about Knave being the Grammy winner, Knave is at the bottom of my Tull album list. Quality acknowledged. Long lost Tull bro. LOL Encore! Some Gallery pics? Not too demanding, eh. Let's ring out every last detail about Minstrel in the Gallery. Thanks, & I'll drink to your health although it will probably kill me. (still LOL) I'll have a look in the dark recesses of the kennel Brother
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2011 20:33:39 GMT
I'll have a look in the dark recesses of the kennel Brother After you finish with the line. Patience pays.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jun 25, 2011 22:04:39 GMT
I'll have a look in the dark recesses of the kennel Brother After you finish with the line. Patience pays. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 17:05:17 GMT
Even in Toronto I can't escape this...HELP! www.toronto.com/blog/post/712709--junos-2012-four-things-we-noticed"We shouldn't want people to give Anvil the first trophy in the new metal/hard music category for the wrong reason. It shouldn't be a lifetime achievement prize, simply because winning that very first hard-rock Grammy under similar circumstances became an albatross for Jethro Tull. No, we want them to win because people like Juggernaut of Justice. And because if they win they might party harder than anybody."
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 8, 2012 17:59:51 GMT
'Singing how's your Grammy and good old Bernie, coughed up a tenner on a premium bond win....'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 19:23:31 GMT
I think I'll head to Chicago to get away from the Tull/Grammy/Juno talk in Toronto....but wait..........HELP! Do the Grammys matter? They even feature a picture of your god guy. www.redeyechicago.com/entertainment/music/redeye-do-the-grammys-matter-20120207,0,5109561.story "While there have been outright controversial picks (Jethro Tull, pictured, over Metallica in 1989 for “Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance,” anyone?) the Grammys exist for a basic reason: To let the people who do that stuff for a living tell you what’s best. Grammy winners usually represent the best (and most purchased) records that came out in the previous year. I know it’s cool to hate pop music and its ilk, but remember what “pop” fully stands for. Also, for every award winner that simply pumps out crappy tunes, there’s a Questlove or Dave Grohl voting as Academy members there to keep the rest honest. Don’t worry, they know what they’re doing." – Ernest Wilkins, @remixchicago
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 19:39:51 GMT
www.grammy.com/Who do you think GRAMMY voters will choose for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance? Dream Theater 10% Foo Fighters 80% Mastodon 0% Megadeth 10% Sum 41 0% Aqualung40th winner
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 15:03:25 GMT
Kanye West's Snub and the Proud History of Grammy Incompetence By Jason Rosenbaum Thu., Feb. 9 2012 blogs.riverfronttimes.com/rftmusic/2012/02/grammy_2011_adele_kanye_west_worst.php1989: Jethro Tull captures 'metal' honor "Speaking of Ron Burgundy, Jethro Tull played a very tiny role in a scene showcasing the San Diego legend's jazz flute dominance. But the band played a bigger part in one of the bigger Grammy goofs. Make no mistake -- Jethro Tull is a great band. But can any outfit with a flute player be considered metal? Probably not. And that's an even tougher argument when Metallica's ... And Justice for All and Jane's Addiction's Nothing's Shocking are in the running. While both albums are considered seminal releases, neither could withstand the force that was Jethro Tull's Crest of a Knave, which managed to capture the Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance Vocal or Instrumental. It was a surprise even at the time, as members of Jethro Tull didn't even attend the ceremony. When Metallica finally won a Grammy in 1992 for its self-titled record commonly known as the Black Album, drummer Lars Ulrich thanked Jethro Tull, "for not putting out an album this year.""
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 9, 2012 18:42:57 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 9, 2012 18:58:08 GMT
The Hindu, Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 You have had famous run-ins with the rock press over your flute. You reportedly took out an ad in a British music periodical with the line: "The flute is a heavy, metal instrument!" There was a lot of criticism about that Grammy awarded to us. So, tongue in cheek, our record company placed that ad in Billboard magazine. The next year Metallica won the Grammy and they put an ad in the same magazine thanking the band members, the record company, the fans, the family dog... and Jethro Tull for not releasing an album. There are three kinds of instruments in rock music. Those that fit in, those that need a shoe-horn, and those that need the right ambience. The flute is not easy to integrate into rock. That's why not many have taken to it. There is something tricky about it. Only once in a while do you see a unused instrument come along. It is very difficult to sustain such an experiment. Rock music is suited to a certain class of instruments. I don't call myself a rock musician; I am an acoustic musician in a rock set-up. Full article: www.hindu.com/mp/2006/01/28/stories/2006012802460100.htm
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 14:59:10 GMT
This just in www.montrealmirror.com/wp/2012/02/23/metal-majesty/In 1989, the music industry begrudgingly recognized the global impact of heavy metal on popular culture and finally gave the red-haired stepchild its own Grammy award category. A quick reminder: this was the same year that nominees Metallica released their Earth-shattering …And Justice for All record, which seemed like a shoo-in to take home the brass. If you recall, the award recipient was…Jethro Tull, for a record that’s long forgotten. Giving the Grammy to this tired, flute-toting band was final proof that the mainstream just wasn’t getting it. Fast-forward 25 years, and it still isn’t. (No lyrics this time) lol
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Feb 23, 2012 19:21:00 GMT
Post by maddogfagin on Feb 23, 2012 19:21:00 GMT
This just in www.montrealmirror.com/wp/2012/02/23/metal-majesty/In 1989, the music industry begrudgingly recognized the global impact of heavy metal on popular culture and finally gave the red-haired stepchild its own Grammy award category. A quick reminder: this was the same year that nominees Metallica released their Earth-shattering …And Justice for All record, which seemed like a shoo-in to take home the brass. If you recall, the award recipient was…Jethro Tull, for a record that’s long forgotten. Giving the Grammy to this tired, flute-toting band was final proof that the mainstream just wasn’t getting it. Fast-forward 25 years, and it still isn’t. (No lyrics this time) lol “And as we said at the time,” Anderson continues, “Metallica were an exciting new band. and they will be sure to win the Grammy next year and indeed they did. And to prove the point that heavy metal bands do have a sense of humor, they took out a full page ad in Billboard when they won the Grammy, thanking their record producer, their record company, their mums, their dads, their brothers, the family dog and Jethro Tull for not bringing out a new album that year.”In these dark towns folk lie sleeping as the heavy horses thunder by To wake the dying city with the living horseman's cry
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Feb 23, 2012 23:48:52 GMT
Post by tullist on Feb 23, 2012 23:48:52 GMT
This just in www.montrealmirror.com/wp/2012/02/23/metal-majesty/In 1989, the music industry begrudgingly recognized the global impact of heavy metal on popular culture and finally gave the red-haired stepchild its own Grammy award category. A quick reminder: this was the same year that nominees Metallica released their Earth-shattering …And Justice for All record, which seemed like a shoo-in to take home the brass. If you recall, the award recipient was…Jethro Tull, for a record that’s long forgotten. Giving the Grammy to this tired, flute-toting band was final proof that the mainstream just wasn’t getting it. Fast-forward 25 years, and it still isn’t. (No lyrics this time) lol I really would have been able to give some creedence to the annual show and tell that is made of Tull's grammy victory, had the award been given to the Moody Blues, ELP, Genesis or Yes to name some. But the category is hard rock/heavy metal and to not acknowledge some of Tull's music brings this ass clowns estimation of who wasn't getting what into question. I could say had the award been given to the Allman Brothers,Frank Zappa, King Crimson or Mahavishnu Orchestra that too would have fit. None classic hard rock bands but that, like Tull, is a part of what all of them do. Now a couple of the bands I have listed no longer existed by 87 but I think you get my point. I truly wish they had never won the damn thing. And probably that Ian had never worn a codpiece.
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 24, 2012 9:09:38 GMT
This just in www.montrealmirror.com/wp/2012/02/23/metal-majesty/In 1989, the music industry begrudgingly recognized the global impact of heavy metal on popular culture and finally gave the red-haired stepchild its own Grammy award category. A quick reminder: this was the same year that nominees Metallica released their Earth-shattering …And Justice for All record, which seemed like a shoo-in to take home the brass. If you recall, the award recipient was…Jethro Tull, for a record that’s long forgotten. Giving the Grammy to this tired, flute-toting band was final proof that the mainstream just wasn’t getting it. Fast-forward 25 years, and it still isn’t. (No lyrics this time) lol I really would have been able to give some creedence to the annual show and tell that is made of Tull's grammy victory, had the award been given to the Moody Blues, ELP, Genesis or Yes to name some. But the category is hard rock/heavy metal and to not acknowledge some of Tull's music brings this ass clowns estimation of who wasn't getting what into question. I could say had the award been given to the Allman Brothers,Frank Zappa, King Crimson or Mahavishnu Orchestra that too would have fit. None classic hard rock bands but that, like Tull, is a part of what all of them do. Now a couple of the bands I have listed no longer existed by 87 but I think you get my point. I truly wish they had never won the damn thing. And probably that Ian had never worn a codpiece. In hindsight it would have been better to have had Tull win a grammy in some sort of "greatest achievement" catagory rather like they do with the Oscars. Then groups such as you mention above would have been selected on merit, considering what they have put back into music.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 13:23:33 GMT
Canadian content; Talking Grammy again, eh. The Day When Jethro Tull Beat Metallica for a Grammy www.alancross.ca/a-journal-of-musical-things/2012/5/20/the-day-when-jethro-tull-beat-metallica-for-a-grammy.htmlSunday, May 20, 2012 The people who run the Grammy Awards want to forget 1989, but they can’t. They tried to bring the awards show into the modern age by finally introducing a category they thought was pretty hip: “Best Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Recording.” So far, so good. The nominees were Metallica, Jane’s Addiction, Iggy Pop and, uh, Jethro Tull. How a folk rock band--with a lead flute player!--got nominated for a metal award is something of a mystery. The band thought it was a joke, as did their record label. In fact, no one even bothered going to the ceremony because it was a forgone conclusion that Metallica was going to win. But when presenter Alice Cooper opened the envelope on live television, he had to read what was on the card: Jethro Tull. The Academy voted—and Tull won. No one has ever really been able to explain the Academy's rationale for that one. More than 20 years have gone by and the Grammy Awards still haven’t been able to live that down. Reader Comments (3) C'mon, Tull are pretty cool. I swear Thick as a Brick was the template for Paranoid Andriod... May 20, 2012 | Rachael The Academy's rationale is simple, they don't know anything about music. Nobody in their right mind places credibility on awards shows anyways. May 20, 2012 | Ryan Let it go. It was 25 years ago, and you seem to forget that it was the HARD ROCK/ Heavy Metal combined award. Tull's winning album WAS a hard rock album and a hit. Let it go. May 22, 2012 | Mediabub
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 1:21:43 GMT
It's that Grammy time of year. You know, the time of year that they take time to say Tull's Grammy is fake metal. Trash, bash, it's everywhere. F...! Always fun. Sure! www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/grammy_top_sour_notes_13Artl0k7B2nqQbacz2k4I10 times the Grammys got it wrong By MICHELANGELO MATOS Last Updated: 10:47 AM, February 6, 2013 Posted: 10:14 PM, February 5, 2013 1. Best Rap Performance by Duo or Group (2005, ‘06, and ‘07) : Black Eyed Peas, “My Humps” (’07), “Don’t Phunk With My Heart” (’06), and “Let’s Get It Started” (’05) Not once, but three times? Get real. 2. Album of the Year (2006): U2, “How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb” One of U2’s lamest albums; should have gone to Kanye West’s “Late Registration” (his best). 3. Album of the Year (2005): Ray Charles, “Genius Loves Company” Sould have given it to Usher’s “Confessions” or Kanye West’s debut. 4. Album of the Year (2001): Steely Dan, “Two Againt Nature” Eminem’s “The Marshall Mathers LP” and Radiohead’s “Kid A” both deserved it way more. 5. Record of the Year (1999): Celine Dion, “My Heart Will Go On.” She got that one off the strength of “Titanic’s” popularity. Madonna (“Ray of Light”) and Brandy & Monica’s (“The Boy Is Mine”) were robbed. 6. Record of the Year (1991): Phil Collins, “Another Day in Paradise” Fake social conscience never sounded so lame. Even MC Hammer’s “U Can’t Touch This” would have been better. 7. Best Metal Performance (1989): Jethro Tull, “Crest of a Knave” Tull doesn’t even consider itself metal, nor do metal fans. 8. Record of the Year (1968): The 5th Dimension, “Up, Up and Away” The Grammys go psychedelic for the Jimmy Webb song — over Bobbie Gentry’s exquisite “Ode to Billie Joe.” 9. Record of the Year (1966): Herb Alpert, “A Taste of Honey” Over the Beatles’ “Yesterday” (above)! In what universe? 10. Best Country Recording (1963): Burl Ives, “Funny Way of Laughin’ ” Not country at all, and one of the creepiest records ever made, this beat George Jones’ immortal “She Thinks I Still Care.” The ice is ever thinner. Be careful how you go like dogs in the midwinter. And it's hard to find true equilibrium when you're looking at each other down the muzzle of a gun. Dogs in the midwinter. Dogs in the midwinter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 16:40:46 GMT
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Feb 12, 2013 16:50:53 GMT
Post by steelmonkey on Feb 12, 2013 16:50:53 GMT
yeah...but still used as definition for misguided nomination...oh well....
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Feb 12, 2013 18:15:30 GMT
Post by JTull 007 on Feb 12, 2013 18:15:30 GMT
Another whiner that plays drums.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 24, 2014 9:32:25 GMT
www.billboard.com/Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson: My GRAMMY MomentBy Billboard Staff, January 23, 2014 "When we won, people got their knickers in a serious twist," Anderson says of Jethro Tull's GRAMMY win.Before a new crop of GRAMMYs are handed out, hear from past winners about what it's like to receive the coveted honor.Jethro Tull a GRAMMY for best hard rock/metal performance vocal or instrumental for 1987's "Crest of a Knave."JETHRO TULL'S IAN ANDERSON: “Everybody thought Metallica would win. I was recording in the studio at the time -- so we stayed at home. Late at night, the phone rang and it was a breathless Chrysalis Records employee saying, 'You won the GRAMMY!' I said, 'Thanks a lot, but I've got to get back to this mix.' We were thousands of miles away -- nothing we could do about it. "The following day I became aware it had created something of a fury. Poor Alice Cooper, who collected the GRAMMY on our behalf. He walked onstage to a chorus of boos because Metallica didn't win and a lot of their fans were there. They were upset, as were members of the media. The fact that we weren't really a hard rock band seemed glossed over when we were nominated. But when we won, people got their knickers in a serious twist. I would've been in my element walking onto the stage to boos and catcalls. I'm not sure what I would've said, but it would've been piffy, to say the least. "My view on peer awards is simple. It's churlish to dismiss them as being unimportant. Any of them -- especially the GRAMMYs -- is a system based on voting by professionals in the music industry -- producers. musicians, record-company people. We got a GRAMMY not for being the best hard rock metal band. We got a GRAMMY for being a nice bunch of guys who had never won a GRAMMY. It was gratefully received and something I feel quite good about."
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Jan 24, 2014 20:54:26 GMT
Post by bunkerfan on Jan 24, 2014 20:54:26 GMT
I've seen first hand Ian dealing with a few hecklers so I'm thinking it was a good idea he didn't attend.
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Jan 24, 2014 21:57:46 GMT
Post by tullist on Jan 24, 2014 21:57:46 GMT
I've seen first hand Ian dealing with a few hecklers so I'm thinking it was a good idea he didn't attend. Yeah, he deals with them with real aplomb and style and 99 out of 100 he is 100 per cent correct. I do remember the rank Tull land obsession last year with his, IA's alleged manhandling of someone. No need to know the facts thru the grain footage. Its that penny pinching old Anderson. Folks speculate this because somehow they just know. I really wonder if folks listen to the years of available boots. I really am alarmed/disheartened to state, that admittedly while I do not listen to a whole lot of other sometimes loud rock bands, without question down the years the rudest audiences I hear on these audience recordings are Tull fans, or more to the point, people at Tull concerts. Maybe Aqua or Loco fans. I don't mean standard rock and roll yahoo, that's fine, and I am quite sure is fine with Ian Anderson. I am talking people, not uncommon, who are undeniably louder than what is happening on stage. Absolutely crass, and most normally, (as Ian has been taken to task on this account)in the USA. I mean really abhorrent $h1t. Makes me wonder if I am hearing the wrong band. Clearly they have something like broad appeal, which is not always good. My favorite personal experience likely mentioned here at least once before, was Cleveland 84, the tour when Ian was coming out in the audience to serve champagne from a tray, most normally to ladies I think, and the boorish heavy metal dude with some band or other in metal studs on his jacket, plowed thru several to get his knocking everything on the tray off, frankly making Ian look like he had pissed his farmers trousers. When he got back on stage yes he was controlled and focused pissed, and he addressed the crowd and that individual with real vemom with the simple words, "Remember, next time its ladies first" Having said all that I would LOVE to have seen him get a crack at that audience. And why it is so hard, apparently even for Ian Anderson, to see Tull included under the broad umbrella of hard rock, to where it is an annual laughing stock at Grammy time that Tull won one. The damn category is hard rock/heavy metal. To consider it farcical that Tull has not touched upon both categories, (some of that Martin stuff thru the many years is damn close to metal). As much as I get why he tells the same jokes and between song stuff every nite, with occasional embellishment, it is his ability to verbally improvise in the moment that would have made that a memorable exchange I am nearly certain. That crowd of Hollyweird cocaine louts deserved to be verbally undressed by the Count. Show some bloody manners and grace metal hounds.
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Post by treeborn on Jan 24, 2014 22:27:31 GMT
TULL AND ANDERSON SHOULD HAVE A CATERGORY OF THERE OWN (DISCUSS)
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