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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 9, 2010 22:07:02 GMT
Since I had 'Under Wraps' on vinyl, it was a few years later that I got familiar with the four 'extra' songs from those sessions, three that were on the cassette and yet another on the CD, which i got on a Russian release that has the complete 'Under Wraps' and 5 songs from teh 20 year box. I like General Crossing, i can take or leave Tundra, I think Astronomy is a bit annoying...the one I can't figure out is Automotive, Science and Engineering...is it one of Tull's worst songs ever or is it kind of cool ? Guidance anyone?
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 10, 2010 7:48:53 GMT
Had to remind my self of the lyrics
In the hands of science --- The complete appliance. We're moved to motor. Do you fly a spitfire? Do you slide on a tea-tray? Or walk on a short trip (sundays). Or drive come what may (enjoy).
Automotive science and engineering.
When big was better --- And fast was chic, The oil was cheaper --- Now we're up the creek. But the japs are coming And everyone's turbo'd And carbon fibre Is the way to go, go.
Down at the robot factory Things are humming. New radical suspension --- No humans testing. (wind it up, wind it up.) Take a trip In your freudian slip. Doctor ferdinand (ferdie) Has you in his grip.
Nope, haven't a clue ;D
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 10, 2010 17:55:47 GMT
Thanks for the definitve help Dog-mad...anyone else willing to take a stand on this life or death issue: A., S. & E. : Worthy tune or toss on the small heap of Tull misfires?
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 10, 2010 18:30:49 GMT
Thanks for the definitve help Dog-mad...anyone else willing to take a stand on this life or death issue: A., S. & E. : Worthy tune or toss on the small heap of Tull misfires? Quite alright Bernie. Just got in from a b****r of a night shift so please excuse the "flippery". I suppose on reflection it must be about modern living and the over reliance on technology Down at the robot factory Things are humming. New radical suspension --- No humans testingAnd reminiscing about the old ways of doing things in the age of Thatcher When big was better --- And fast was chic, The oil was cheaper Must say, it doesn't do much for me. Class it as a worthy but heartfelt misfire imo.
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Post by tullist on Jul 10, 2010 19:12:01 GMT
While always qualifying my statements by saying I have been known to and will continue to love all Tull albums certainly my three least favorites in order are 1 uw 2 war child 3 minstrel, on uw the only song of lasting value to me is the one that sort of does not belong there, uw2. But I have been known to like all the tracks and still might, tundra and general crossing which made me laugh out loud when i first heard it. Love that bit,on Apogee and reworded from Wordsworth, "beware a host of unearthly daffodils drifting golden turned up loud." Now that is on time my brothers. Plus I would have to be reminded which of the UW tracks did not take on a powerfully different character in live performance so for me it is sort of the enigma album. btw I must say the most regrettably not performed song off uw that I believe would have worked brilliantly, particularly as a show opener, is saboteur, if those other ones fired, that one would have buried. But there again I had similar feelings, also as a show opener, for Birthday Card at Christmas which I truly believe belongs amongst the Tull elite, and reviews of it, possibly by people who"s opinions I would take with a massive grain of salt, was less than positive. With my burner down have not downloaded any of the dime shows in which it figured, like to believe it is in part because Ian has seen my various rambling about that piece, as u may have noticed I do daydream. I do remember the borderline hateful assessments of Hare in the Winecup upon its appearance or now although it may be short of a masterpiece it is growing as I presumed, ditto the prog/Minstrel/PPlay fury at the "overuse" of accordions as if IA needs our input for the correct operation of his ship. I sort of would like to see a scene ala Edward 1 in Braveheart where one of these progTull heads give their assessment of Ians alleged thriftiness, voice, use of accordions, etc with Ian as Edward and I think u know what follows.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 10, 2010 19:20:03 GMT
Worthy and heartful Misfire is a good category...and the pile in which i will heretofore condemn AS & E. and speaking of condemn....I hereby condemn Ray to a series of repeated FULL BLAST listenings to European Legacy.....don't touch that dial...Tullist....FULL BLAST
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 10, 2010 19:27:45 GMT
And as for Apogee...oh irony...it really was Apogee...as Ian stretched his voice as far...as far.....as far as it could go on this last cut of the album.....and then it broke...never to heal...I know ther was no exact moment a la busted leg when your vocal cords snap, never to fully heal....but pressed for an estimate I would say the last week of the Under Wraps tour, which was unbelievably rocking...relentless...song after song...including a stretch that went, more or less: Black Sunday, SFTW, Brick, Skating Away, Sunday Feeling, Minstrel, Locomotive....without a pause...anyway...they had to cancel the last three shows...2 in LA and one in san Diego...right at the end.....Apogee, indeed.
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Post by tullist on Jul 10, 2010 19:28:38 GMT
Worthy and heartful Misfire is a good category...and the pile in which i will heretofore condemn AS & E. and speaking of condemn....I hereby condemn Ray to a series of repeated FULL BLAST listenings to European Legacy.....don't touch that dial...Tullist....FULL BLAST O man I have loved that song Bernie, that may be the first one that merits serious reconsideration, and is one that I never thought was bad, but at last consideration, maybe long ago, found it only good.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 10, 2010 19:32:23 GMT
Mind you, I'd rather IA continues to explore "new avenues" even if it means that sometimes there are some cul-de-sacs he occassionaly drives up. Call it if you will an exploration of possibilities and if these end up on the studio floor but eventually end up on a "best of" box set with royalties to charity, that's fine by me (more in hope of any box set btw )
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Post by tullist on Jul 10, 2010 19:34:33 GMT
And as for Apogee...oh irony...it really was Apogee...as Ian stretched his voice as far...as far.....as far as it could go on this last cut of the album.....and then it broke...never to heal...I know ther was no exact moment a la busted leg when your vocal cords snap, never to fully heal....but pressed for an estimate I would say the last week of the Under Wraps tour, which was unbelievably rocking...relentless...song after song...including a stretch that went, more or less: Black Sunday, SFTW, Brick, Skating Away, Sunday Feeling, Minstrel, Locomotive....without a pause...anyway...they had to cancel the last three shows...2 in LA and one in san Diego...right at the end.....Apogee, indeed. I am still a greater buyer of the theory or indeed fact that I read in A New Day and heard IA re verbalize in an interview with some Finnish guy from 94 that his voice difficulties are a result of the muscles in the throat used to play flute, maybe particularly in his style, working at dead on odds against those used to sing in an occasionally thundering rock band. It has always struck me as curious that UW should have been any more difficult to sing than any other Tull album, indeed Minstrel is the one I would have thought though litttle was performed live, as to me what holds it back is excess verbage.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 10, 2010 19:39:54 GMT
And as for Apogee...oh irony...it really was Apogee...as Ian stretched his voice as far...as far.....as far as it could go on this last cut of the album.....and then it broke...never to heal...I know ther was no exact moment a la busted leg when your vocal cords snap, never to fully heal....but pressed for an estimate I would say the last week of the Under Wraps tour, which was unbelievably rocking...relentless...song after song...including a stretch that went, more or less: Black Sunday, SFTW, Brick, Skating Away, Sunday Feeling, Minstrel, Locomotive....without a pause...anyway...they had to cancel the last three shows...2 in LA and one in san Diego...right at the end.....Apogee, indeed. But if that album and tour had never taken place, would IA have his problems at a later stage - I suppose we'll never know. I did hear via an "insider" (and there has only been that one time that I've spoken to an "insider") that the problems with the voice were exagerated, if that's the word, by IA's fitness routine and quitting the evil nicotine coupled with a lack of vocal training at any time in his career. How true that is I don't know but it might, just might, explain a few things.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 10, 2010 19:58:27 GMT
yeah....let's park the truck Stop Runner in a Cul-de-sac !
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Post by mike on Jul 12, 2010 8:10:48 GMT
I thought Ian has adenoid problems as well as half of his larynx (?) would not vibrate with the other brought on by smoking and overblowing while singing at the same time. Depends which old band member tells you the scoop. Had Ian ever took real lessons I imagine his voice would of only gotten better but I didn't like the style he lost on proper flute playing and I doubt another voice would not as been Tull to me either. RTB was his last hurrah in my Tull book. But I can be surprised... Please surprise us Tull in the good way and go out and be creatively different once again! The voice was not exaggerated If you doubt my words just ask some of the old Friends of Ian (hint pre Doane) that sometimes attend the rare conventions as it's been reported he could barely talk in the early 80's!
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 18, 2010 19:56:36 GMT
couldn't talk or wouldn't talk in the early 80s? I weaseled my way backstage in Milan in 1989 and watched Ian roll cig after cig...truly chain smoking, after the show....his speaking voice, however, was fine...you know, sounded like ian Anderson...
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