tullist
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Post by tullist on Jul 3, 2010 2:18:05 GMT
Just going to paste what I already wrote on the Folk Forum board, sorry for my lack of originality! While I am resolutely proud of Ian Anderson as a matter of course, and hold him as someone very different from some public perceptions, the most I can see that he is guilty of is never having been a party boy, with this statement I am a little prouder than usual. jethrotull.com/news/israeldates.htmlAnd no I am not Jewish I am humanish, though I did grow up around much of that lovely Jewish character, and while my politics will most usually align with what is labelled to be left wing, finally I cannot believe detractors on this issue do not get that its just humans everywhere, ain't no time to hate, just another country where mothers love their children, where your best friend or lover that you might not have met yet might reside, its just folks, it is not a political stand.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 3, 2010 2:49:31 GMT
Well Said...I too respect Ian's stance...both purpose and process...The overwhelming majority of Israelis and Palestinians desire peaceful co-existence but a tenacious minority thrives on eternal conflict and seem to be successful in this pursuit...close-up, chances for lasting peace have come and gone, with both sides fumbling at critical junctures. Shalom, In'shalla, Hail Tull!
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 3, 2010 7:55:35 GMT
I concur 100% with the posts of Tullist and Steelmonkey. As for Ian Anderson, his statement is a breath of fresh air in an otherwise hostile world and I for one hope it puts other artists and politicians to shame.
I hope that the fans that will now get to see the band perform will enjoy the shows and realise that in this world there are some decent people with the moral fibre to stand up for their beliefs and convictions.
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Post by bluehare on Jul 3, 2010 14:25:46 GMT
My feet have always been firmly planted behind tullist and his views on Ian.
This time is no exception.
I love where he says, "it's just folks". That's all it is. And all it should ever be.
I am always proud to be a Tull and an Ian fan, but IA's message made me prouder than ever.
Articulate and diplomatic message but strong and convicted as well. Hats off to you, IA.
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Post by tullist on Jul 3, 2010 18:02:00 GMT
Thank you Bluehare! I am regularly baffled by the assessment of character from what I would presume to be Tull's most ardent fanbase, of IA's character. Anyone who has ever approached him as anything other than another man, although he is undeniably generally kinder to women, might have met the stand off Ian, he simply does not respond to ass kissing and he might bite. But to offer an alternate viewpoint based in dead on fact has met me with cries of syncophat, or more recently that I think the sun rises and sets on Ians bellybutton. Most usually these opinions come from those in prog world, who perceive a very different Tull than I do, and people who would presume to tell this man how to steward his ship, due to perceived entitlements. When I think of other musicians I hold dear, the Dead for instance, with at minimum ten times the amount of spoken words in cyber world and other places, it is virtually unheard of for any of them to be spoken of disparagingly, other than maybe that they wish Garcia had never tried heroin. And Jerry's voice changed too, although I am of a minority opinion that it changed for the better, particularly where their ballads were concerned, ala the world weary sound it would bring to things like Stella Blue or China Doll. Ditto Jimi, Miles, Trane there is none of this non stop often borderline hateful stuff. And this from a musical organization that I would hold requires a high degree of paying attention, to me clearly many of these people do not, and will have their ugly stick out if you dare to call them on it. Now possibly in the case of the Beatles there have been similar opinions as regards Paul McCartney, and, though I love all of them, Paul has been given far too much criticism, like Ian, if you uncover the layers, nearly always without merit. Its ugly but clearly you get more respect when you die, I can say with certainty that when the Beatles were a living, breathing organism, Paul was the most popular, by slim degrees. But somewhere along the line John became deified, and given more credit than was actuallly the case, re the further out explorations of the Beatles. Paul was the only one in the band who had knowledge of things like Stockhausen or Sun Ra, and was the only one who actually lived in London in the headier post 65 days of the Beatles, the rest all lived out with the stockbrokers and doctors. But Paul, like Ian, largely kept his mouth shut when issues of his perceived character arose. But yes, his greatest skill may have been with "silly' love songs.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 3, 2010 21:58:05 GMT
A brilliant decision and if only a bit of the logic and feeling behind that could spread into territory other than music and concerts well who knows? It will surely be three terrific concerts in Israel ;D Well done Ian
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 8, 2010 16:04:03 GMT
remember what we agreed on last year Tommie? Post FIRST....kiss pipe later...
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tullist
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Post by tullist on Jul 8, 2010 16:39:50 GMT
Anderson will play anywhere for a buck which is why he has been nicknamed "The ScotJew" (by me). This is acceptable? Were I the moderator u can be assured your head would be about to be severed. And at the same time I am for a homeland for Palestine, I suspect most people are, having said that and being non Jewish, Israel's safety will always be of paramount concern to me. And as the son of a Father who as an eighteen year old boy forced to be a man who had the stomach turning soul crushing responsibility of "discovering" the concentration camps at Buchenwald, (which, in actuality was possibly the least monstrous of the concentration camps) as a member of Gen George S Patton's third army if you EVER think this will be a laughing matter for flip discussion you are right out of your tiny mind. And being of Scottish descent in part, did it ever cross your mind that a small factor known as starvation might have played into the Scotsman's alleged thriftiness?
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 8, 2010 16:58:44 GMT
I am: pro-Israel, pro-Palestine, pro-Peace and anti-Dumbassses ! I must admit, the Scots are far cooler than my people in dealing with the 'thriftiness/stinginess cliches...Our local food chain, Safeway, a few years ago, called their generic, less expensive products: 'Scotch Buy' and featured a sort of tartan pattern on the label...I can imagine the $h1tstorm if a store called their economical line; 'Jew-Buy' and festooned the package with a few stars of david!
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