neptune
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Post by neptune on Feb 2, 2012 16:19:39 GMT
Maybe for some there is a difficulty seperating Ian and Martin given the history and they way they still play on stage. However I can't understand how any Tull fan would miss this new tour simply because Martin isn't there. Surely being a Tull fan is to recognise firstly the genius of Anderson and it's not like Martin is "resting" for the year - we have after all Martins' Tull to satisfy the fans. The name Tull is surely just a brand name in it's own right now and not just a certain group of musicians. I suspect the "genius of Anderson" dried up about 1980. He's certainly not a man to miss out on a cynical marketing ploy though is he? With no "Tull" any revenue generated by this album will be his alone, with his backing musicians on a wage, plus added publicity from the soon to be released TAAB remix. The really big question though is who is singing on it? I hope to God it isn't Ian - perhaps he's got a few guest vocalists in to do the job. No wonder Barre did a runner...
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 2, 2012 16:26:00 GMT
I.A.: Look guys...TAAB II M.B. bad idea, no one wants TAAB II...we need to go all new stuff way, prog is dead...you're nuts I.A. Fine, f.u., I'll do it without you if you don't wanna play with me. M.B. Go ahead, I dare you, no one thinks it's Tull without me ! D.P: Martin's right Ian, dumb idea...and it won't even be Tull I.A. Fine, f.u. both...I'll do it with my real friends, ha ha on you
the above conversation was interpolated from a recent conversation I overheard between my kid and her two friends ( all 7 years old) regarding which activity to do next at Chuck E Cheese pizza house and nickel arcade. In the end, Frances and Abby chose skee ball, melody pouted for about 5 minutes, played on the bicycle pump helicopter ride alone and then the other girls came and joined her...shoving her out of the way but apologizing when I threatened a nickel embargo if there was not instant peace in the valley..anyone need me in the middle east or Tull central ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 16:43:31 GMT
Wait, let's find some honour/honor here. ;D Ian Anderson had no idea, until... www.examiner.com/classic-hard-rock-in-national/jethro-tull-front-man-ian-anderson-to-release-sequel-to-thick-as-a-brickDerek Shulman, the former front man and singer from one of Anderson's own favorite progressive rock groups, Gentle Giant, pushed the musician in the direction of a sequel. Shulman went on to a very successful career as a record company executive, and in 2011 he challenged Anderson to write the new material, which follows Gerald Bostock to the age of 50 in 2012. Building castles by the sea, he dares the tardy tide to wash them all aside.
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neptune
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Post by neptune on Feb 2, 2012 17:03:07 GMT
"Pushed?"
It's about the only thing that would sell. A no - brainer.
Bat Out Of Hell II
Welcome To My Nightmare II
Any sequel to a classic album is going to shift units.
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 2, 2012 17:12:27 GMT
Maybe for some there is a difficulty seperating Ian and Martin given the history and they way they still play on stage. However I can't understand how any Tull fan would miss this new tour simply because Martin isn't there. Surely being a Tull fan is to recognise firstly the genius of Anderson and it's not like Martin is "resting" for the year - we have after all Martins' Tull to satisfy the fans. The name Tull is surely just a brand name in it's own right now and not just a certain group of musicians. I suspect the "genius of Anderson" dried up about 1980. He's certainly not a man to miss out on a cynical marketing ploy though is he? With no "Tull" any revenue generated by this album will be his alone, with his backing musicians on a wage, plus added publicity from the soon to be released TAAB remix. The really big question though is who is singing on it? I hope to God it isn't Ian - perhaps he's got a few guest vocalists in to do the job. No wonder Barre did a runner... Well Ian's hardly going to do it for free - unless no one's told me that we the Tull fans are now a registered charity .....and they all lived happily ever after
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 2, 2012 17:14:00 GMT
Wait, let's find some honour/honor here. ;D Ian Anderson had no idea, until... www.examiner.com/classic-hard-rock-in-national/jethro-tull-front-man-ian-anderson-to-release-sequel-to-thick-as-a-brickDerek Shulman, the former front man and singer from one of Anderson's own favorite progressive rock groups, Gentle Giant, pushed the musician in the direction of a sequel. Shulman went on to a very successful career as a record company executive, and in 2011 he challenged Anderson to write the new material, which follows Gerald Bostock to the age of 50 in 2012. Building castles by the sea, he dares the tardy tide to wash them all aside.Thank you ...so it was Derek....and thank you Derek
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 2, 2012 17:39:56 GMT
Hello 'nonrabbit'. I've been to too many JT shows (lost count after 30-ish) and they were mostly while they were still pumping out new albums to not notice the differences today. JT is not a brand to me - it is music. While it may have turned into a 'marketing brand' for you as you say. Yes, it has mostly been 'written or created' by IA, but the 'sound signature' is just as much MB's by 'his' unique quality sound and phrasing and is as much part of the 'SONIC FORCE' that has been JT as IA's. So for me to recognize the quality of that SONIC FORCE - then I must be as exact with my musical ear as I have always been. It is NOT a JT show - it's IA's 'band' playing TAAB1 and presumably TAAB2 depending on the venue/show. I've really yet to be enthraled by the performances of JT material they've done. So that is where the 'fuzzy dividing line' I speak of comes into play - I'll have time to decide whether I'll give the tour a go after I listen and listen and listen complusively to TAAB2 [/b].[/quote] Hi "nobodyspecial" We differ on that point in that I have really liked what Ian has done to some of the old songs. I truly believe that the IA and MB "split" is not from any ill-feeling just another venture this time seperately. Ok if I had to choose and I wouldn't want too as I would go to both shows (if I didn't live in the back o' beyond) I would rather go to see TAAB2 for all the reasons I went to see TAAB1 and any Tull show. Where I do agree with you is that I will be listening compulsively to TAAB2 - too
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Post by hawkmoth on Feb 2, 2012 18:29:41 GMT
Got to be honest this is more spinal tap than Martins Excalibur i.m.o. Thought it was complete wind up at first. Prog influenced album in 2012 ,dear me, what next APP2 ? Think if Martin/Doanne were playing on it might give it a chance but FO and the rest of the watered down band its a no no. Think Ians lost the plot to be honest,hes capable of newer/ fresher things i.m.o. Always thought his solo material was excellent and very different from Tull. Maybe its a ploy to get more bums on seats for TAAB 2012.
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 2, 2012 18:33:02 GMT
what next APP2 ?
From yer mouth to God's ears !!!!
( but maybe I'm Living in the Past. )
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 2, 2012 18:39:11 GMT
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 2, 2012 18:43:53 GMT
60 days but who's counting ?....imagine emoticon of rabid monkey here please.
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 2, 2012 18:48:32 GMT
60 days but who's counting ?....imagine emoticon of rabid monkey here please.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Feb 2, 2012 19:04:27 GMT
Sounds like everyone's warming up to the topic!!! Hey there, 'nonrabbit', early on I didn't mind some of the re-worked classics, but after a couple tours it started to show the old, 'it's starting to get old again' feel. As to IA and MB 'split or not split' I can remember with the "A" album - all of a sudden, MB and IA were the only ones left - AFTER what supposedly started as a IA solo effort, so who knows now.
Too, I agree with some of what 'hawkmouth' said as well that IA is quite capable of fresher things and that the IA band is a bit watered down and, I really don't think I could sit through a concert with FO doing his hair-metal thing. It kind of reminds me of PJV's over-the-top keyboard solos' - just didn't look or sound right. But, I will still buy TAAB2, though I'm guessing it will be pretty evident sonically what the differences are in the musician-ship even with any compensations IA may have tried to write in to the 'new' material. (I'd throw in one of those smiley-faces here but I don't know how!!!!)
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 2, 2012 19:19:17 GMT
Got to be honest this is more spinal tap than Martins Excalibur i.m.o. Excalibur = "Spinal Tap 2" Look forward to Steve Wilson taking Sex Farm, Stonehenge, Break Like The Wind & Lick My Love Pump into the 21st century
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 2, 2012 19:26:59 GMT
You mean he can find a way to turn the amps up to 12 ?
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Post by hawkmoth on Feb 2, 2012 19:32:36 GMT
The amps go to 20 these days!!!!! Its 2012 not 1972!!!!
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 2, 2012 22:17:45 GMT
Sounds like everyone's warming up to the topic!!! Hey there, 'nonrabbit', early on I didn't mind some of the re-worked classics, but after a couple tours it started to show the old, 'it's starting to get old again' feel. As to IA and MB 'split or not split' I can remember with the "A" album - all of a sudden, MB and IA were the only ones left - AFTER what supposedly started as a IA solo effort, so who knows now. Too, I agree with some of what 'hawkmouth' said as well that IA is quite capable of fresher things and that the IA band is a bit watered down and, I really don't think I could sit through a concert with FO doing his hair-metal thing. It kind of reminds me of PJV's over-the-top keyboard solos' - just didn't look or sound right. But, I will still buy TAAB2, though I'm guessing it will be pretty evident sonically what the differences are in the musician-ship even with any compensations IA may have tried to write in to the 'new' material. (I'd throw in one of those smiley-faces here but I don't know how!!!!) Tell you what... you're better off not even starting - I'm on about twenty a day and they're annoying the feck out of me never mind everyone else Still it could be worse
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 2, 2012 23:03:19 GMT
taper....breathe....find healthy alternatives.....quit
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neptune
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Post by neptune on Feb 3, 2012 2:04:55 GMT
I look forward to the new David Gilmour album, "The Bright Side Of The Moon."
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 2:39:01 GMT
Neil Young- Way After the Goldrush Bob Dylan-Just Before the Flood Dire Straits-More Brothers in Arms Pink Floyd-Still Wish You Were Here.
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Post by stevep on Feb 3, 2012 3:14:11 GMT
Very similar to my thoughts Hawkmoth. TAAB was a Tull classic made by the band Jethro Tull. If you listen to the original album there are great contributions by John Evan, Barrie Barlow, Martin Barre & JHH. It was not an Ian Anderson solo album. It seems to me that this is just some sort of ploy to sell a few more seats and maybe a few more albums. Having said that I will probably buy the album on the first day it is released - just as I have done with nearly all the JT/IA albums over the forty something years. Old habits die hard. I just hope that TAAB2 is even a small part of the album we would like it to be
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Post by futureshock on Feb 3, 2012 3:32:23 GMT
Does Gerald still "believe in the day"? Has he continued with any poetry or painting, or has he devolved into the profile of a miserable basement dwelling stamp collector? Does he "sit this one out" because he's a weekend fat-ass pig, or is he jogging 20 miles weekly and testing designs for geothermal energy? Has the tide rushed in and smudged his mortgage contract? How loud do you have to shout to make Gerald hear? Is he still having sex in the sink or has he gone blind? Has his father retired from the power plant and invested in solar? Wiser Fusions and Volts in the driveway? Has he delegated part of the overwhelming responsibility and got into yoga? Does his pet seagull still circle above to bellow the ancient tribal hymn of Venus, or even Newgrange? Has the war slowed down in the nursery rhyme and have the Biggles memoirs been put on BlueRay for the Boy Scout Channel?
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Post by tullabye on Feb 3, 2012 4:56:10 GMT
It seems to me that this is just some sort of ploy to sell a few more seats and maybe a few more albums. Having said that I will probably buy the album on the first day it is released - just as I have done with nearly all the JT/IA albums over the forty something years. Old habits die hard. I just hope that TAAB2 is even a small part of the album we would like it to beWhen has Ian ever made any type of new recording just for the sole purpose of selling a few more albums or making a few bucks? I know people are upset over Martin not being a part of this album but would you rather continue on without any type new recording? Give it a listen or two and then be critical if you believe it is warranted. Ian is not a young man any more and is somewhat limited by his vocal problems but I think you should give him and TAAB2 a chance before jumping to conclusions.. Read more: jethrotull.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1835&page=5#ixzz1lI6FuDEM
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 3, 2012 8:14:44 GMT
Latest interview on the very subject from American songwriter x2 pages; www.americansongwriter.com/2012/02/jethro-tulls-ian-anderson-on-thick-as-a-brick-2-the-grammys-and-more/Q. In a sense, you’re messing with your own legacy by creating a sequel to a beloved album. Do you feel any trepidation about how it will be received? A. I’m pretty realistic about it. I think it’s going to result in a deafening response of silent disapproval from the majority of people, who just frankly couldn’t care less. That’s my expectation. I’d be very happy if it meets with approval, not only of hardcore Jethro Tull friends, but a broader audience. I’d be delighted, but I’m not expecting it. This is 2012 and as far as we’re aware, concept progressive rock albums are not the flavor of this decade. But having said that, I have felt in the last couple years when I’ve been out and about in different parts of the world that there is a new audience for so called prog-rock.......... ......I think it’ll be a hard slog for us. But this will probably sell a lot of copies in Brazil. Well, it won’t actually sell because people will just rip it off the Internet and not pay me a dime. So I’m gonna lose money on it, but there you go. Q.I’m excited to hear it.A. Well, it really does sound good. I’m very pleased with it. I think it’s one of those things that when you elect to do something, not because it’s easy, but because it’s hard, as one of your presidents famously suggested, there is a huge sense of achievement when you think you’ve actually pulled it off. So for me and the other musicians, there is a definite feeling of “we did it.” But it would be wrong of me to assume that the rest of the world is gonna love it. I’m sure lots of people are gonna think it’s terrific, but it’s not the easiest ride and I think if anybody was gonna try and make a concept prog-rock album come alive in 2012 in a conspicuous way, then I’d be one of the people who could possibly step up to the plate and deliver. I like to think that I have, but I’ll let you and everybody else be the judge of that.
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 3, 2012 8:49:16 GMT
Neil Young- Way After the Goldrush Bob Dylan-Just Before the Flood Dire Straits-More Brothers in Arms Pink Floyd-Still Wish You Were Here. The Who - What's Next Led Zeppelin Five Alice Cooper - Million Dollar Teenagers Nick Drake - Bryter Much Layter
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 16:02:15 GMT
I look forward to the new David Gilmour album, "The Bright Side Of The Moon." The Bright Side = Sober thoughts, and I mean sober.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 16:04:26 GMT
Neil Young- Way After the Goldrush Bob Dylan-Just Before the Flood Dire Straits-More Brothers in Arms Pink Floyd-Still Wish You Were Here. The Who - What's Next Led Zeppelin Five Alice Cooper - Million Dollar Teenagers Nick Drake - Bryter Much Layter What the hell is going on here? Brick2 or something else?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 16:06:31 GMT
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 16:20:12 GMT
59 days...I'm tempted to pre-order and make my infintesimal contribution to positive sales momentum but too scared that I won't have it first day so opting for good old fashioned record store that Monday morning. Time flies at my age so it's always nice to watch time standstill for a little while...which is exactly what it will do for the next 59 days.
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Post by ash on Feb 3, 2012 17:55:34 GMT
For years now there have been negative comments on Tull forums about when will there be a new album! Now we get one and yes its more of the same!!!! . I can't believe what I'm reading Sorry guys but all I can say is move on it's not the seventies any more . Be happy that Ian is still out there performing of us and has come up with something new
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