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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 8, 2010 21:25:49 GMT
'Perhaps a benefit concert here at Maddog Mansions to celebrate my 65th in 3 years time. All forum members invited of course with free beer and food, including a pasty or two....' I'm on for that MadDog. Gives the UK fans on this board an oportunity to think about organising another Tull convention. I wonder does anyone agree with me ? I'm up for it - time to put faces to posts ;D - can you give me lift
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 8, 2010 21:28:43 GMT
Hello. Apologies for not popping in as much as I should but I do keep up to date with the comings and goings on the board. Pretty entertaining lately! Anyway I,m off to Bristol on the 18th and after 70+ shows am still looking forward to it big time. Last time I saw them a few times on the 40th and they were magnificent ( in my top 5 ) Found these reviews ........ reviews.ticketmaster.co.uk/7171-en_gb/735387/jethro-tull-reviews/reviews.htmCheers all from Sunny South Wales well the odd squawk now and then wouldn't go amiss ;D Be sure to let us know about the concert ;D Have a Great time - going alone ?? i47.images obliterated by tinypic/5198nq.gif[/IMG]
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 9, 2010 8:19:35 GMT
Hello. Apologies for not popping in as much as I should but I do keep up to date with the comings and goings on the board. Pretty entertaining lately! Anyway I,m off to Bristol on the 18th and after 70+ shows am still looking forward to it big time. Last time I saw them a few times on the 40th and they were magnificent ( in my top 5 ) Found these reviews ........ reviews.ticketmaster.co.uk/7171-en_gb/735387/jethro-tull-reviews/reviews.htmCheers all from Sunny South Wales Really good interesting reviews in that article Duck from oldies/newbies and returnees.
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 9, 2010 8:55:24 GMT
I'm on for that MadDog. Gives the UK fans on this board an oportunity to think about organising another Tull convention. I wonder does anyone agree with me ? I agree 100%. If anyone can organise a Convention which we can all get to (ie plenty of time to organise vacation time against working commitments etc) then why not. As some of us know, it takes a heck of a lot of planning, finding a suitable venue and sorting out mailing lists etc. If anyone wants to sort something out then contact me via the PM facility as I will have some info which will enable them to have a head start and I can contact the AND team to organise some publicity if the prospect of a meeting/Convention is a reality. Cheers Maddog
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Post by ulla on Mar 9, 2010 9:25:53 GMT
If anyone can organise a Convention which we can all get to (ie plenty of time to organise vacation time against working commitments etc) then why not. As some of us know, it takes a heck of a lot of planning, finding a suitable venue and sorting out mailing lists etc. If anyone wants to sort something out then contact me via the PM facility as I will have some info which will enable them to have a head start and I can contact the AND team to organise some publicity if the prospect of a meeting/Convention is a reality. Cheers Maddog Don´t forget to mention that you need a lot of money to organise a Convention.
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 9, 2010 9:41:32 GMT
If anyone can organise a Convention which we can all get to (ie plenty of time to organise vacation time against working commitments etc) then why not. As some of us know, it takes a heck of a lot of planning, finding a suitable venue and sorting out mailing lists etc. If anyone wants to sort something out then contact me via the PM facility as I will have some info which will enable them to have a head start and I can contact the AND team to organise some publicity if the prospect of a meeting/Convention is a reality. Cheers Maddog Don´t forget to mention that you need a lot of money to organise a Convention. Yes I know having put a lot of our own money into the first UK one Graham Smith and I organised back in '89. Still, it was well worth it and eventually got our money back when the final batch of '89 t shirts were sold by Ian Burgess at the Cropredy festival that year. But . . . get in touch if anyone wants to organise one, via a PM - you never know!!!
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Post by ulla on Mar 10, 2010 10:54:38 GMT
But . . . get in touch if anyone wants to organise one, via a PM - you never know!!! I organised the first and the second German Convention, so I can offer my help if needed. Go for it!
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Post by smcornriggs on Mar 10, 2010 17:33:53 GMT
First clips of UK Tour on You Tube - search under Jethro Tull 2010. Songs From The Wood - music brilliant, singing awful.
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Post by parkbench on Mar 10, 2010 22:23:01 GMT
First clips of UK Tour on You Tube - search under Jethro Tull 2010. Songs From The Wood - music brilliant, singing awful. Hmmm, clearly a struggle with that one! But the other clips aren't half bad... Locomotive Breath sounds pretty good... I'm looking forward to the Brum gig now!
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 11, 2010 4:36:51 GMT
The first batch of you tube clips are, to put it kindly, not pretty. Ian's voice was as near to the bottom of the gradient of post vocal crash years as I've heard in a long time...the arrangements are stingily spare....luckily highlighting some nice moments by Martin and Doane but not much more....and the on stage energy seems to relfect the embarassing aspect of the vocals and lack of adventure or excitement in the setlist. SFTW....you gotta be kidding....it looks and sounds like a bad parody of SFTW. Groan....silver-lining: I'm less stressed about missing this tour if it doesn't come west...I mean, this is not a tour to travel to.....If they come close...I'll be there...if only to buy a ticket and do my small in maintaining hope for a revival...new material, new-old material, a transformation to a primarily instrumental band...I can't really say how a revival will look and sound...I just hope it happens! How can they look and sound so bad mere months after the Ian tour knocked me out two nights in a row.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 11, 2010 8:08:30 GMT
Alternatively and speaking for the defence it has been well documented both here and elsewhere that indeed the quality of sound emitted from the said videos is of a poor quality and does not reflect the actual audio and visual experience of attending an evening soiree in the company of the rock band known as Jethro Tull.
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Post by onewhiteduck on Mar 11, 2010 11:08:07 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OlD7N432iMGood quality from Torquay. Agree with my old friend nonrabbit that generally you tube footage is crap. Clips fron the last tour sound nothing like 'being there' so dont get beaten up by it. PS. One'APassionplayisthegreatestalbumofalltime'duck.
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Post by mix on Mar 11, 2010 11:46:54 GMT
Alternatively and speaking for the defence it has been well documented both here and elsewhere that indeed the quality of sound emitted from the said videos is of a poor quality and does not reflect the actual audio and visual experience of attending an evening soiree in the company of the rock band known as Jethro Tull. Actually I've listened on headphones and through my hifi and I was thinking how good the band sounds especial Martin and Doane. Therefore I don't buy the crap sound quality argument, you're just making excuses. However, I've heard Ian even worse than this. It breaks my heart as much as the next Tull fan but the truth is listening to Ian sing live is not my idea of a good time.
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Post by onewhiteduck on Mar 11, 2010 12:32:12 GMT
Mix. I totally agree that Ian's voice is poor these days. However I do not need or want to make excuses for pointing out quite correctly that in general you tube is not representative of a live show. You can listen all you want through headphones but the fact is that the sound is recorded from a camera phone on one side of a theatre and uploaded on the net. I'll make my own judgement next week and post a fair review then.
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Post by mix on Mar 11, 2010 13:21:38 GMT
Mix. I totally agree that Ian's voice is poor these days. However I do not need or want to make excuses for pointing out quite correctly that in general you tube is not representative of a live show. You can listen all you want through headphones but the fact is that the sound is recorded from a camera phone on one side of a theatre and uploaded on the net. I'll make my own judgement next week and post a fair review then. I agree about camera quality but my ears don't lie and nor do my eyes. You can see Ian struggling to sing. Its not only the fact that his voice just sounds so deteriorated, he can't even follow the melody any more. The audience member you hear singing along is singing more acuratly and that's saying something! Its hard and not unlike when you take you loyal old dog out for a walk and he just can't keep up any more. But its Ian's voice and only he can deal with it. I just don't think he should do these long tours any more. He should see a professional vocal coach. He's trying to sing the way he has always sung and its not working. He needs to learn how to sing again within the scope of his current vocal abilities and he needs to stop trying to sing stuff that is potential making his voice worse. If you have a bad back you rest it. You don't go out and do 30 days hard labour.
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Post by moths on Mar 11, 2010 14:23:49 GMT
Well, I have to totally agree! I have just joined and this particular subject has prompted me to join lol!
There are people who are in denial about Ian's failing singing voice! and I am not one of them! I am a huge fan of his work, a master at his craft.
Has anyone considered that the reason he may not do another album is because of his voice? I notice on the songs that he adjusted the way he sings to more or less cover the parts. It isn't about your age either as there are countless singers of his age group that ok, can't sing to the peak of their range from their youth, but can certainly sing the melody and not miss out the odd word or note to accommodate the song.
I have looked at 'songs from the wood' from the new tour on Youtube and I have to say that it is appalling!, constructive reason for this is that 1, the band is playing to accomodate the voice which kills the flow of the song. It really doesn't give it justice, and 2 because there is no life in the song because of it.
I have seen him countless times now and I go for the spirit of all things Tull but I fear that I may be disappointed when I see him in a week or so.
No disrespect to Mr Anderson but I detect a thread of stubbornness when it comes to the deterioration of his own voice. He has never vocally admitted he has a problem (unless someone can state otherwise).
The voice is the most important part in delivering the performance and without it, it just conveys the songs in the wrong way, which doesn't give these absolutely beautiful songs any justice.
I cringe when I see him struggling! poor sod!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 14:45:40 GMT
Welcome, moths
Under Wraps - "I think it was a great album in terms of sound, in terms of actual song, particularly I was singing really well. The best I've ever sung was on that album. Sadly it was the singing of that material on tour in 1984 that actually caused the difficulties with my larynx. Whether it was the nature of the songs or just the intensity of it I don't know, but it was a shame." - Ian Anderson 1993
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Post by mix on Mar 11, 2010 15:23:22 GMT
Hi Moths
I don't think his voice is the reason for not doing a new album. If you look at his most recent album Rupi's Dance his voice is fine. Ok he is not as dynamic a singer as he was a young man but I still enjoy hearing him sing and the song 'lost in crowds' was like hearing an old friend. I don't think it is so much that he can get it right in the studio, more that the newer material he writes is written with his current voice.
It wasn't Under Wraps that damaged his voice it was the touring. When Tull returned with Crest and Rock Island I thought his voice was really good on those albums. But by Catfish you begin to see the deterioration.
It is the constant touring year after year that has and continues to damage his voice. I would prefer he gave up touring, found something new to do and put out albums now and then. Fans who keep buying tickets to see him wreck his voice even more are doing him no favours. I mean some of you guys have seen Tull 20, 30, 50 times. Come on!!!
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 11, 2010 15:31:01 GMT
Alternatively and speaking for the defence it has been well documented both here and elsewhere that indeed the quality of sound emitted from the said videos is of a poor quality and does not reflect the actual audio and visual experience of attending an evening soiree in the company of the rock band known as Jethro Tull. Actually I've listened on headphones and through my hifi and I was thinking how good the band sounds especial Martin and Doane. Therefore I don't buy the crap sound quality argument, you're just making excuses. However, I've heard Ian even worse than this. It breaks my heart as much as the next Tull fan but the truth is listening to Ian sing live is not my idea of a good time. Not excuses Mix for excuses sake I base my opinion on a Live concert and lets face it you can listen to any music through any medium and it's all down to things like acoustics and how good your equipment is how much you pay for the stuff etc etc. What it boils down to is personal choice. I will continue to see Tull and enjoy the band with Anderson as frontman. One of my very first threads here was Should Tull Stop Touring for a While jethrotull.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5and imho Silverhammer made a really good point and if I read him correctly he touches on the need for Anderson to perform as an artist and all that implies. I would agree with that because I saw that passion on stage at the last concert. Barre has it as well. I applaud that after all these years - all these concerts.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 11, 2010 15:34:13 GMT
Well, I have to totally agree!I have just joined and this particular subject has prompted me to join lol! There are people who are in denial about Ian's failing singing voice! and I am not one of them! I am a huge fan of his work, a master at his craft. Has anyone considered that the reason he may not do another album is because of his voice? I notice on the songs that he adjusted the way he sings to more or less cover the parts. It isn't about your age either as there are countless singers of his age group that ok, can't sing to the peak of their range from their youth, but can certainly sing the melody and not miss out the odd word or note to accommodate the song. I have looked at 'songs from the wood' from the new tour on Youtube and I have to say that it is appalling!, constructive reason for this is that 1, the band is playing to accomodate the voice which kills the flow of the song. It really doesn't give it justice, and 2 because there is no life in the song because of it. I have seen him countless times now and I go for the spirit of all things Tull but I fear that I may be disappointed when I see him in a week or so. No disrespect to Mr Anderson but I detect a thread of stubbornness when it comes to the deterioration of his own voice. He has never vocally admitted he has a problem (unless someone can state otherwise). The voice is the most important part in delivering the performance and without it, it just conveys the songs in the wrong way, which doesn't give these absolutely beautiful songs any justice. I cringe when I see him struggling! poor sod! Hello and Welcome moths nice to have you here ;D Yep you've joined in at a good time - Live concerts/ defending Anderson it's all here and more. Please feel so inclined to peruse the Board for other topics as well Please post away and importantly, give us a review of the concert!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 15:43:39 GMT
Hi Moths I don't think his voice is the reason for not doing a new album. If you look at his most recent album Rupi's Dance his voice is fine. Ok he is not as dynamic a singer as he was a young man but I still enjoy hearing him sing and the song 'lost in crowds' was like hearing an old friend. I don't think it is so much that he can get it right in the studio, more that the newer material he writes is written with his current voice. It wasn't Under Wraps that damaged his voice it was the touring. When Tull returned with Crest and Rock Island I thought his voice was really good on those albums. But by Catfish you begin to see the deterioration. It is the constant touring year after year that has and continues to damage his voice. I would prefer he gave up touring, found something new to do and put out albums now and then. Fans who keep buying tickets to see him wreck his voice even more are doing him no favours. I mean some of you guys have seen Tull 20, 30, 50 times. Come on!!! "Sadly it was the singing of that material on tour in 1984 that actually caused the difficulties with my larynx.' - Ian Anderson It has been stated (1998) that Anderson's voice is fine in the studio. I guess this is after resting the voice, everything falls into place. Blessing in disguise for me: I actually like the weird vocals on Catfish Rising, freaky enough I love Thinking Round Corners. My favourite '90's Tull album, I say. a calm Canadian LOL
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Post by moths on Mar 11, 2010 16:08:10 GMT
Thanks for welcoming me!
Well I have to disagree even with Mr Anderson when he said his best voice was during the Underwraps album. Personally his best voice was on songs like Valhalla and Salmander, such a grace in his voice.
Infact the vocals on Broadsword and the Beast are quite impressive. I don't want this to turn into an Ian bashing, but the fact is that his voice is shot.
Someone made a good comment earlier about the progressive instrumentals which should make more of an appearance on the tours. The sound compared to that of the 70's, sounds too squeaky clean, there needs to be more upmth! in the sound.
It's too much of a quick fix set-list nothing challenging in there at all. Dunringill is my all time fav.
I will review the concert when I go to Derby in a couple of weeks.
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Post by mix on Mar 11, 2010 16:08:20 GMT
I too really like his vocals on Catfish, its the last album where he really goes for some vocal action but there is a clear difference between his voice on RI to Catfish.
Nonrabbit, what is it you enjoy about going to the concerts. I understand the band is still great and Martin is worth the ticket price alone. Ian is still a fantastic musician but where is the pleasure seeing him strain and fail to sing well. I just can't handle that, its too sad.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 11, 2010 16:31:50 GMT
I too really like his vocals on Catfish, its the last album where he really goes for some vocal action but there is a clear difference between his voice on RI to Catfish. Nonrabbit, what is it you enjoy about going to the concerts. I understand the band is still great and Martin is worth the ticket price alone. Ian is still a fantastic musician but where is the pleasure seeing him strain and fail to sing well. I just can't handle that, its too sad. I enjoy the concerts because the straining is not such a big issue with me. Honestly, hand on heart, I do not hear such bad vocals that are talked about here - Live. I accept where the band are today (I'm sure they'll sleep easy tonight) I would go to hear an Anderson solo concert or Barre Live - maybe not in a "celtic opera" however I would not go to a concert where Tull songs are being played without Anderson.
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Post by mix on Mar 11, 2010 16:44:49 GMT
I too really like his vocals on Catfish, its the last album where he really goes for some vocal action but there is a clear difference between his voice on RI to Catfish. Nonrabbit, what is it you enjoy about going to the concerts. I understand the band is still great and Martin is worth the ticket price alone. Ian is still a fantastic musician but where is the pleasure seeing him strain and fail to sing well. I just can't handle that, its too sad. I enjoy the concerts because the straining is not such a big issue with me. Honestly, hand on heart, I do not hear such bad vocals that are talked about here - Live. I accept where the band are today (I'm sure they'll sleep easy tonight) I would go to hear an Anderson solo concert or Barre Live - maybe not in a "celtic opera" however I would not go to a concert where Tull songs are being played without Anderson. Well I can respect what you are saying but I prefer to listen to the albums, remember the good concerts I have been to and enjoy the videos of the glory days. Anderson is a hero and I prefer to remember him that way. Little by little, year by year he becomes less and less the musical force he once was. Like others, I still believe he could turn it around and that's why I'm critical. Perhaps too critical at times but I wouldn't be here if I didn't care
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 11, 2010 17:06:02 GMT
I enjoy the concerts because the straining is not such a big issue with me. Honestly, hand on heart, I do not hear such bad vocals that are talked about here - Live. I accept where the band are today (I'm sure they'll sleep easy tonight) I would go to hear an Anderson solo concert or Barre Live - maybe not in a "celtic opera" however I would not go to a concert where Tull songs are being played without Anderson. Well I can respect what you are saying but I prefer to listen to the albums, remember the good concerts I have been to and enjoy the videos of the glory days. Anderson is a hero and I prefer to remember him that way. Little by little, year by year he becomes less and less the musical force he once was. Like others, I still believe he could turn it around and that's why I'm critical. Perhaps too critical at times but I wouldn't be here if I didn't care wouldn't do if we all sat here typing and gushing ....which bring s me to the subject of the next Tull convention aww come on !!! - no typing -facial expressons - body language - intelligent Tull dialogue - NO booze ;D ;D It'll be smashing !!
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 11, 2010 19:02:01 GMT
Thanks for welcoming me! Well I have to disagree even with Mr Anderson when he said his best voice was during the Underwraps album. Personally his best voice was on songs like Valhalla and Salmander, such a grace in his voice. Infact the vocals on Broadsword and the Beast are quite impressive. I don't want this to turn into an Ian bashing, but the fact is that his voice is shot. Someone made a good comment earlier about the progressive instrumentals which should make more of an appearance on the tours. The sound compared to that of the 70's, sounds too squeaky clean, there needs to be more upmth! in the sound. It's too much of a quick fix set-list nothing challenging in there at all. Dunringill is my all time fav. I will review the concert when I go to Derby in a couple of weeks.It will be interesting to get your review Moths. Seems from reviews of the shows so far from various sites, Tull ones as well as non-Tull ones, that long time fans are critical of IA's vocals whereas new fans and those who went to the concerts out of curiosity etc are full of praise for a great show. Welcome along to the forum Moths. Enjoy your stay and I look forward to reading your reviews and posts on all things Tull.
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www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-life-features/liverpool-arts/2010/03/12/jethro-tull-comes-to-liverpool-s-philharmonic-hall-92534-26011125/Jethro Tull comes to Liverpool's Philharmonic Hall
Mar 12 2010 by Jade Wright, Liverpool “DO YOU know what happened this morning when I was in Waitrose with my wife?” asks Ian Anderson, with a chuckle.
“Absolutely no-one asked for my autograph. And do you know why? Because it was like any other Friday morning. I’m about as far from being a celebrity as you can imagine, and that’s just how I like it.”
But Ian, 62, the flute and voice behind the legendary Jethro Tull, has spent the last 42 years of his career being thrust repeatedly into the spotlight.
He’s played more than 2,500 concerts in 40 countries, and along the way picked up a doctorate in literature from Heriot Watt University in Edinburgh, the Ivor Award for International Achievement in Music and, in the New Year Honours List 2008, an MBE for services to music.
So what can we look forward to from Jethro Tull’s Philharmonic Hall concert?
“If it’s a really spectacular night, you might see me die with my boots on,” he laughs again at the thought. “At my age, you need a paramedic.
“You’ll get our greatest not quite hits, along with some newer music. We’re not just revelling in the nostalgia of it all, but there will always be the tunes that people know.
“You can never be sure how people will respond to new music. We’re lucky at the Philharmonic. It has comfy seats and the audience come along to really listen to the music.
“The venue has a lot of history and it sounds great. There’s something special about playing in the home of a permanent orchestra. You’re always aware that last night there was Mozart and Beethoven playing there.”
Despite his huge successes in the music world, Ian doesn’t describe himself as a music lover.
“I’ve never liked live music,” he shrugs. “I like the sound of silence or birds singing. If I’m on a long flight, I might listen to some acoustic music, maybe some Scandinavian folk or Seth Lakeman.
“When I was growing up it was much harder to find good music. Websites make it much easier.” In his spare time, you’re unlikely to catch Ian living it up at showbiz parties.
“I prefer to be alone,” he explains. “I’m rather a solitary person.
“I can sit and watch news channels for hours – BBC, CNN, Fox. I like to hear all sides of the story.
“I read all the newspapers. I travel by train to my concerts and I buy all the papers to read on the way.
“The rest of the band and all the equipment goes by bus, but I always travel alone by train.”
Thankfully, he doesn’t have to worry about missing the train after his Liverpool concert.
“No, I stay over in the most anonymous hotel I can find,” he laughs. “I can’t abide the fancy places where the rock stars stay. Put me in somewhere plain and I’m much happier.”
JETHRO TULL play The Philharmonic Hall on Wednesday, March 31. Tickets, £25.50-£33.50, are available now from www.liverpoolphil.com or 0151 709 3789.
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Post by admin on Mar 12, 2010 21:17:18 GMT
Thanks for welcoming me! Well I have to disagree even with Mr Anderson when he said his best voice was during the Underwraps album. Personally his best voice was on songs like Valhalla and Salmander, such a grace in his voice. Infact the vocals on Broadsword and the Beast are quite impressive. I don't want this to turn into an Ian bashing, but the fact is that his voice is shot. Someone made a good comment earlier about the progressive instrumentals which should make more of an appearance on the tours. The sound compared to that of the 70's, sounds too squeaky clean, there needs to be more upmth! in the sound. It's too much of a quick fix set-list nothing challenging in there at all. Dunringill is my all time fav. I will review the concert when I go to Derby in a couple of weeks.It will be interesting to get your review Moths. Seems from reviews of the shows so far from various sites, Tull ones as well as non-Tull ones, that long time fans are critical of IA's vocals whereas new fans and those who went to the concerts out of curiosity etc are full of praise for a great show. Welcome along to the forum Moths. Enjoy your stay and I look forward to reading your reviews and posts on all things Tull. Ditto that! Thanks for dropping in and hello! ;D Looking forward to the review too.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 13, 2010 8:58:32 GMT
Anyone go to Reading last night - the Hexagon has a fairly big seating capacity if memory serves ?
Incidently for the previous concerts and for those who went was there a big crowd?
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