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Post by salamander on Jul 29, 2009 2:08:12 GMT
Blue, I, too, was at the Greek last summer, and found it to be a lot of fun. People dancing in the aisles and singing out loud. Part of the fun was the tail gating in the parking lot before the show, meeting other Tull fans. The only problem we had was a few guys sitting in front of us like statues, and commenting on the how we must have been farmers, because we all sang along with Farm on the Freeway. Wish we had known that you were there too. I met Tullskull there and we had a blast!
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Post by fatman on Jul 29, 2009 16:09:31 GMT
Hey, Fatman. How you be? My experience was EXACTLY yours. How cool.......a comrade. I also a) Hated the NJ show b) Skipped the Hammerstein show (and I luv that venue...that's how much NJPAC pissed me off. c) Did go to the Jones Beach thing last Aug and agree w/ you on allcounts. Very surprisinly, Jones was an EXCELLENT show! I often wonder if the fact that it was pracically full (almost 20,000 seats!), and when's the last time Tull played to that size?!that it brought out, at least for a night, the good Ian. BTW, re: my prior post.......I was STANDING the whole show (so's I could boogie-woogie) on the extreme stage right side...do u know this area! ? it's right on the water. It was marvelous...and it was a huge crowd. Hey, Tommie, how are you bro? We New Yorkers can be tough critics, but that NJPAC show was sickening. I was embarassed to have brought friends to the show. Like you, I skipped the Hammerstein show because of it, and nearly skipped the Jones Beach show the following summer, but decided to give Tull one last chance and was glad that I did. I was shocked at how good they were that night, although they (typically) started slowly, Ian's voice seemed to get better as the show progressed and the highlight, for me, was the full version of Heavy Horses. Ian's singing will never be what it was, but all it really needs to be is passable for Tull to sound like Tull, and on that night he sang better than he has for years. The reason I liked the Jones Beach show so much was because it was Tull and nothing but Tull. No orchestral numbers, no female violinists playing their own material with Tull as the backing band, no covers of Led Zeppelin, Queen or ELP songs, no Griminelli's Lament. Just straight-away, ass-kicking Tull played real loud, like we New Yorkers love. The only thing I did not like about that night was Peter Frampton not knowing when to get off the freaking stage, and many people in the audience who came to see him more than Tull. Jeff
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 29, 2009 17:56:45 GMT
Hey, Fatman. How you be? My experience was EXACTLY yours. How cool.......a comrade. I also a) Hated the NJ show b) Skipped the Hammerstein show (and I luv that venue...that's how much NJPAC pissed me off. c) Did go to the Jones Beach thing last Aug and agree w/ you on allcounts. Very surprisinly, Jones was an EXCELLENT show! I often wonder if the fact that it was pracically full (almost 20,000 seats!), and when's the last time Tull played to that size?!that it brought out, at least for a night, the good Ian. BTW, re: my prior post.......I was STANDING the whole show (so's I could boogie-woogie) on the extreme stage right side...do u know this area! ? it's right on the water. It was marvelous...and it was a huge crowd. Hey, Tommie, how are you bro? We New Yorkers can be tough critics, but that NJPAC show was sickening. I was embarassed to have brought friends to the show. Like you, I skipped the Hammerstein show because of it, and nearly skipped the Jones Beach show the following summer, but decided to give Tull one last chance and was glad that I did. I was shocked at how good they were that night, although they (typically) started slowly, Ian's voice seemed to get better as the show progressed and the highlight, for me, was the full version of Heavy Horses. Ian's singing will never be what it was, but all it really needs to be is passable for Tull to sound like Tull, and on that night he sang better than he has for years. The reason I liked the Jones Beach show so much was because it was Tull and nothing but Tull. No orchestral numbers, no female violinists playing their own material with Tull as the backing band, no covers of Led Zeppelin, Queen or ELP songs, no Griminelli's Lament. Just straight-away, ass-kicking Tull played real loud, like we New Yorkers love. The only thing I did not like about that night was Peter Frampton not knowing when to get off the freaking stage, and many people in the audience who came to see him more than Tull. Jeff How I so agree about Griminelli's Lament. Enough said.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 29, 2009 20:20:17 GMT
Mr Dog...to clarify...I too found Kenny Wylie to be extremely kind to fans, friendly, open and often arranging seat upgrades or outright complimentary passes/seats and backstage passes for countless, grateful fans. He's a great guy with a frighteningly good memory for the internal guest vs pest list any band must have. The comment about his similarities to Ian are in the areas of sharpness, very highly calibrated bull$h1t detector and dry humor that can burn unsuspecting, concrete Americans! From about 1988 thru about 1992, Mr Wylie couldn't do enough to help me and some of my friends into Tull backstages and front rows...since about 1995, till he kind of retired with some surprise tour appearances, he would see me and say 'NO" before we even exchanged greetings!
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Post by tommie on Jul 30, 2009 0:34:18 GMT
Yo, Fatman again: Re: that Jones Beach Beach show last Summer. If you (and I think TM?) have been ibn the NYC area for a while, you'll remember that almost every Summer (from what Iremember...1996, 1997, 1999, 2002, 2002....at least) Tull woul play both Jones & Garden State Arts Center (now PNC). I'd go ever time....There's something special about outdoor shows. But I always saw that Jones would always be full only thru the first level of that Stadium section. The next sec up would be scattered peeps and the top sec would always be empty. But, that was stll pretty good cuz Jones had added that top section and it now made the place even larget than the Garden (20,000 + seats).
So, the show last summer that we both enjoyed (and your analysis was right on: WHOLE songs, no other performer, ROCK, etc) .....when I saw every seat fileed I thought "Wow! So cool! Tull can draw this many peeps, like the old days!" But, I wonder if you are correct again: that Peter Frampton as the opener was a big part of it
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Post by tommie on Jul 30, 2009 0:35:00 GMT
Yo, Fatman again: Re: that Jones Beach Beach show last Summer. If you (and I think TM?) have been ibn the NYC area for a while, you'll remember that almost every Summer (from what Iremember...1996, 1997, 1999, 2002, 2002....at least) Tull woul play both Jones & Garden State Arts Center (now PNC). I'd go ever time....There's something special about outdoor shows. But I always saw that Jones would always be full only thru the first level of that Stadium section. The next sec up would be scattered peeps and the top sec would always be empty. But, that was stll pretty good cuz Jones had added that top section and it now made the place even larget than the Garden (20,000 + seats).
So, the show last summer that we both enjoyed (and your analysis was right on: WHOLE songs, no other performer, ROCK, etc) .....when I saw every seat fileed I thought "Wow! So cool! Tull can draw this many peeps, like the old days!" But, I wonder if you are correct again: that Peter Frampton as the opener was a big part of it
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Post by tommie on Jul 30, 2009 0:37:31 GMT
Oh, and another thing: Do you thing Ian put on such a surprisngly good, dynamic show (better than any I'd seen in years) ..in large part BECAUSE of the huge crow? Interested in ur opinion. Thans.
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Post by tommie on Jul 30, 2009 0:37:55 GMT
Oh, and another thing: Do you thing Ian put on such a surprisngly good, dynamic show (better than any I'd seen in years) ..in large part BECAUSE of the huge crow? Interested in ur opinion. Thanks.
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Post by tommie on Jul 30, 2009 0:42:41 GMT
$h1t! Sorry for all the typos! Yuck! I always rush. And type in the dark! ! lol
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 30, 2009 15:47:53 GMT
C'mon Tommy, you're amongst friends...are you sure the typos aren't because....no, forget it, forget i said anything.
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Post by tommie on Jul 30, 2009 18:03:36 GMT
I was talking to Fatman, Mr. Steel...so butt out! Just kidding ha! Seriously, I am so lame on the computer. My post wouldnt register so who knows wtf I did! ha
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Post by TM on Jul 30, 2009 20:32:34 GMT
I'm sure Jones Beach was that packed because of Peter Frampton. I don't think Tull could even fill a 5,000 seater in New York these days.
I've always loved shows at Jones Beach but I didn't go to that show either Tommie.
I got tired of the special guests/muzak/other people's music, etc. so I've stayed away from the last few tours.
But, I'm back in for this fall with Ian's acoustic tour. And I'm just praying he doesn't do the "standards."
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Post by tommie on Jul 31, 2009 0:20:09 GMT
I'm really asking Fatman b/c he was there and would like his opinion re: the crowd size. And since we went to all the same shows around that time and had the same responses!
BTW, I am so NOT going to the Beacon.......for another (yawn!) "Ian plays the.........." show. f**k that
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Post by fatman on Jul 31, 2009 1:32:20 GMT
Blue, I, too, was at the Greek last summer, and found it to be a lot of fun. People dancing in the aisles and singing out loud. Part of the fun was the tail gating in the parking lot before the show, meeting other Tull fans. The only problem we had was a few guys sitting in front of us like statues, and commenting on the how we must have been farmers, because we all sang along with Farm on the Freeway. Wish we had known that you were there too. I met Tullskull there and we had a blast! I think it was a combination of it being Tull's 40th anniversary and a big name like Frampton as the opening act. Tull have always been popular on Long Island, and Frampton Comes Alive sold zillions of copies and everyone remembers it. Plus, the concert was heavily promoted. BTW, all those Jones Beach and Garden State (PNC) shows that you went to....I was there too. Do you remember the Jones Beach show where Suzanne Vega was the opening act and it started pouring rain half-way through Tull's set? I think it was 2001, or around there, perhaps earlier. But Tull were superb that night, even despite the monsoon. A very memorable show. Jeff
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Post by fatman on Jul 31, 2009 1:36:56 GMT
I'm really asking Fatman b/c he was there and would like his opinion re: the crowd size. And since we went to all the same shows around that time and had the same responses! BTW, I am so NOT going to the Beacon.......for another (yawn!) "Ian plays the.........." show. f**k that I know what you're saying, I am going to the Beacon show, but it does seem like he's back to dicking around with solo stuff, female violinists, instrumental/orchestral Donkey and the Drum stuff, etc...as opposed to the heavy Tull show we saw last summer. But I do feel that at some point there will be one final Jethro Tull studio album consisting of all new material. It seems unlikely that Ian would put together a new lineup without ever going into the studio with them. (Otherwise, it would make no sense to dump Giddings and Noyce.) Jeff
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Post by tommie on Jul 31, 2009 1:59:08 GMT
Hope ur right. That rainy Jones show was 2002. Remember it well.......went to PNC also
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 15, 2009 22:54:12 GMT
Somwhere around 90 or 91...obviously when Pegg and Allcock were still in the mix...I found myself at a Tull gig in Fresno (smallish city in california) with the assignment to locate anearby bar where Pegg/Allcock/roadies and friends would be welcome after the show with the possibility of locking the doors at 2:00 PM ( California closing time) and serving after hours...something a bar can do by declaring it a private party and keeping the doors locked...anyway, Ian overheard my report to the thirsty Tull members and the following conversation ensued:
Me: We scored...we found a place...the guy will stay open, for us, as long as we want. (Pegg and Allcock express joy, relief and admiration) Me; it's called 'Beethoven's lounge Ian: Beethoven's? I hope the bartender isn't deaf. Me: What? Ian: I said, I hope the bartender isn't deaf Me: What? Ian: I said....(then he caught on)....you little bastard.....Kenny....kill this guy...
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Post by salamander on Aug 15, 2009 23:38:14 GMT
LOL That is too funny!!! Btw, I was at the show, too Glad to see that Kenny didn't follow through
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 15, 2009 23:43:57 GMT
So Pegg, Allcock and a cast of a few more peoples get there and the bartender, not the same one, more or less reneges on the promise...luckily there was plenty of time before 2:00 AM for drinks and fun and...when last call was announced...Pegg and Allcock each ordered 4 drinks, which was honored...and we did hang out well after 2 after all...
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Post by salamander on Aug 16, 2009 0:04:53 GMT
That's awesome, Steely!
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