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May 13, 2008 18:15:55 GMT
Post by TM on May 13, 2008 18:15:55 GMT
Great clip??? Sorry, but that sucked. Now I'm sorry I spent $80.00 for a ticket this summer. Two beautiful songs, both with great lyrics, just absolutely butchered. How is it that he sings exactly 0 lines from Sossity and 1 line from Reasons for Waiting, substituting his flute for 98 % of the vocals, and expects anyone to want to listen to that? I am not interested in hearing the flute replace the vocal line. I want to hear the words and the way Ian used to sing them. If he can't sing anymore he should not be touring with Tull. Also, this medley is not even new. It was played during the ALLM tour. Right now I would much rather see a great Tull tribute band, like War Child or Dayglo Pirates, than Tull themselves. At least those guys can sing. And they play Tull the way Tull was meant to be played. Loud and angry. Not the muzak that a Tull live performance has become. Jeff I remain grateful there is a Tull to speak of in 2008 at all though I am not surprised. That he can no longer recreate a song of 38 YEARS AGO and must reinvent past glories, albeit not to a sizable amount of the audiences liking is in some ways regrettable. If this is as big a problem as you intimate I would recommend pursuing whatever other musical avenues that are to your liking, Ian Anderson has always been answerable only to himself. Likewise I am familiar with the conditions Glenn Cornick left the band, and to my understanding, it does sound a cowardly dismissal. Nevertheless I stand by Ian Anderson, surely were it not for him, no one would know Glenn Cornicks name, sorry, its the hard truth. As I understand it Glenn's contributions to the original Tull were more than considerable but he was given to behaviors such as I, and these were not permissable at the time to the one person who can rightfully have been called a genius in their ranks. Clearly in more recent years this has been eased by witness of everybody's pal, Dave Pegg. I for one will not be damning Ian Anderson, and in no wise will be opting for Tull imitators, impressive as that Paul guy indeed was, for instance, I will not be hunting down their website late into the evening to offer my opinion of their latest imitation. 2008, Jethro Tull still exists, if you don't like it, it is more than easy to stay at home, for me, I call it a miracle extending beyond reason, and remain grateful and humbled. And the recreation of the original This Was Dharma, is more than a happy moment for this old Tullie, as was Beggars Farm back in 92. And One For John Gee? These are indeed happy moments. Nothing wrong with hanging on there for a while is there? There are probably as many of us as there are of you. But were all Tull fans here, and therefore no need for recommendations of that nature. We'll all know when it's the right time.
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May 13, 2008 19:06:46 GMT
Post by admin on May 13, 2008 19:06:46 GMT
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May 13, 2008 19:09:53 GMT
Post by admin on May 13, 2008 19:09:53 GMT
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May 13, 2008 19:25:22 GMT
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May 13, 2008 19:54:40 GMT
Post by electrocutas on May 13, 2008 19:54:40 GMT
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quizzkid
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May 13, 2008 22:10:21 GMT
Post by quizzkid on May 13, 2008 22:10:21 GMT
Tullstray
No, it wasn't aimed at you and apologies if it seemed that way. I just have a general view that Ian is just an ordinary bloke with an extraordinary talent and who was in the right place at the right time.
And by that I am not denouncing his superb talents as a gifted and clever songwirter/musician who I have enjoyed for the best part of a lifetime.
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May 14, 2008 3:32:27 GMT
Post by fatman on May 14, 2008 3:32:27 GMT
Brutal. Compare that with the version they performed in 1991 on You Tube. His voice was strained then, he stood on his tiptoes to reach the high notes and his neck veins bulged. But he was able to pull it off at only 50% of his former vocal capability. He no longer can, because he sings now at about 10% of full strength. Also, the band was just so much better even in 1991 than it is today. Jeff
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May 14, 2008 3:44:45 GMT
Post by fatman on May 14, 2008 3:44:45 GMT
Nobody expects Tull to sound or look exactly the same as they did 40 years ago, however you are being far too charitable here. Ian, with the non-stop touring, playing 150 shows a year, every year for the past 15 years -- this incessant touring dates back to the 25th anniversary tour in 1993, which lasted for about three years -- has completely destroyed his voice. He should give his voice a rest already and should do more albums especially now with the economy going south and people no longer willing to spend upwards of eighty bucks to see Tull. (Perhaps that explains why there are so few American dates on this tour?) If you look at other bands who have been around for 35+ years, like Rush and Rolling Stones, they have not lost much. The Stones put out a great album and proved they could still kick ass live. And Geddy Lee and Rush sound better than ever. Unfortunately, I can not say the same about Tull. Jeff And that I think, Jeff, hits the nail on the head. Even the so-called "detractors" aren't expecting Ian to sound like he did 40 years ago, but if you still go out pushing brand Tull, then many punters, paying what to them is top dollar will expect to see Tull perform at a level commensurate with the price tag. Forget Ian's voice, the band isn't Tull anyway, it's the Ian Anderson band and by that I don't mean that's any bad thing either. Ian is a clever and very articulate song-writer, musician and performer but I do suspect there are some limitations in his make-up these days that restricts him from pushing the boundaries like he used to. I can understand that as well. For many, the older you get the more risk adverse you become, and Ian has settled into a comfortable niche, which again I can't blame him for.
My wish for future Tull would be drop the name Jethro Tull and play as "Anderson and Barre", then the possibility of employing additional vocalists, pretty young violinists, odd-job assortments of session players and doing cover versions wouldn't raise the hackles of those Tull devotees, who aren't actually detractors but simply fans as good as any others, but who may be a little more discerning in expecting to see Tull the band and not Tull the brand.
Most of the criticism I think comes from people who do not expect to see a band "rooted in the past" [how about that for the name of the next reissue] but would be happy to see a new direction or even a mellowing of what went before.
If Tull was then resurrected ocassionally I think people would probabaly give it and Ian a lot more respect, although I suspect that Tull will continue for a few more years yet.
I'm looking forward to the RFH show, and I hope that the promise in the new line-up and show that many have written about shows through, but the feeling that Tull is like a reliable, comforatble, old pair of shoes is something that I think Ian gets some degreee of solace from these days. Then again I can't blame him for that these days, he's broken a few moulds in the past and maybe he feels he doesn't need to risk anything anymore.Quizz, I'm no Tull-basher and I stuck with them through 2002 or 2003. The 2002 tour was actually pretty damn good. It's the last five years I have a problem with. It's one thing to say Ian's voice is weakened or not what it once was. I happen to think that he only need sing at about 50% to pull it off. But recently, because of the incessant touring, he has wrecked his voice to the point where it sounds......ugly. Ian knows that he can't sing for sh*t anymore, hence we get Tull shows that are 80% instrumental; string quartets invited on stage to do instrumental versions of SFTW and HH instead of Tull doing those songs; and lead singers of Tull tribute bands actually replacing Ian at some shows. If you look at other artists who have been around forever, such as Neil Young, for example, or Geddy Lee of Rush, these guys are old but they still sing very well. That's because they are not playing 150 shows a year, like Tull. Remember what happened after the Under Wraps debacle. Ian took three years off, rested his voice, recorded a new album, and was able to sing again. He needs to do something similar now Take some time off from touring and record an album, then come back in a year or two with a full new album tour, rather than all this orchestral and instrumental stuff. I just cannot accept a Tull that is largely instrumental because, for me anyway, what always made Tull so special were the words, the way Ian sang them and the way they made me feel. Hearing a medley of Sossity/Reasons for Waiting where he doesn't sing any of the Sossity lyrics and only one line from Reasons for Waiting doesn't interest me. Jeff
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May 14, 2008 8:09:12 GMT
Post by electrocutas on May 14, 2008 8:09:12 GMT
Any chance perhaps you Girls can take the arguments somewhere else This thread is VIDEO GALLERY 2008
NOT Handbags at 15 paces
Col could these postings be removed to another thread please
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quizzkid
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May 14, 2008 10:54:28 GMT
Post by quizzkid on May 14, 2008 10:54:28 GMT
"Any chance perhaps you Girls can take the arguments somewhere else This thread is VIDEO GALLERY 2008 NOT Handbags at 15 paces Col could these postings be removed to another thread please" So sorry, I'll seperate and keep all my discussions in little compartments for your benefit in future....... Maybe you could direct me to the one that says "Ian's washed up" or "Ian's a genius" and less of the "Girls"please. ....or I'll hit you with your handbag.
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quizzkid
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May 14, 2008 10:59:43 GMT
Post by quizzkid on May 14, 2008 10:59:43 GMT
Quizz, I'm no Tull-basher and I stuck with them through 2002 or 2003. The 2002 tour was actually pretty damn good. It's the last five years I have a problem with. It's one thing to say Ian's voice is weakened or not what it once was. I happen to think that he only need sing at about 50% to pull it off. But recently, because of the incessant touring, he has wrecked his voice to the point where it sounds......ugly. Ian knows that he can't sing for sh*t anymore, hence we get Tull shows that are 80% instrumental; string quartets invited on stage to do instrumental versions of SFTW and HH instead of Tull doing those songs; and lead singers of Tull tribute bands actually replacing Ian at some shows. If you look at other artists who have been around forever, such as Neil Young, for example, or Geddy Lee of Rush, these guys are old but they still sing very well. That's because they are not playing 150 shows a year, like Tull. Remember what happened after the Under Wraps debacle. Ian took three years off, rested his voice, recorded a new album, and was able to sing again. He needs to do something similar now Take some time off from touring and record an album, then come back in a year or two with a full new album tour, rather than all this orchestral and instrumental stuff. I just cannot accept a Tull that is largely instrumental because, for me anyway, what always made Tull so special were the words, the way Ian sang them and the way they made me feel. Hearing a medley of Sossity/Reasons for Waiting where he doesn't sing any of the Sossity lyrics and only one line from Reasons for Waiting doesn't interest me. Jeff Jeff, Not sure if I can respond here without disturbing trains of thought or streams of concsciousness, but anyway as it's addressed to me I have to say I fully, 100%, agree with you and would hope that Ian either rests the voice, or writes some stuff of equal weight to the old stuff that he can physically manage sing.
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May 14, 2008 14:30:07 GMT
Post by TM on May 14, 2008 14:30:07 GMT
Any chance perhaps you Girls can take the arguments somewhere else This thread is VIDEO GALLERY 2008 NOT Handbags at 15 paces Col could these postings be removed to another thread please Don't you just hate it when your panties get all bunched up like that?
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May 14, 2008 16:18:00 GMT
Post by silkenmist on May 14, 2008 16:18:00 GMT
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May 14, 2008 20:32:27 GMT
Post by admin on May 14, 2008 20:32:27 GMT
Excellent, nice work amigo :-) Do you have any objection to me posting that link onto the MA forum (not the official one)
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May 16, 2008 9:52:01 GMT
Post by admin on May 16, 2008 9:52:01 GMT
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May 16, 2008 21:51:42 GMT
Post by neilstcleve on May 16, 2008 21:51:42 GMT
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May 16, 2008 22:41:00 GMT
Post by nonrabbit on May 16, 2008 22:41:00 GMT
Cheers for posting that Neil ! I was sitting down the front on the right hand side next to the bloke putting his hands up ...or was that me
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May 19, 2008 12:40:42 GMT
Post by admin on May 19, 2008 12:40:42 GMT
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May 30, 2008 17:21:09 GMT
Post by admin on May 30, 2008 17:21:09 GMT
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Jun 3, 2008 9:47:27 GMT
Post by admin on Jun 3, 2008 9:47:27 GMT
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Jun 10, 2008 19:54:41 GMT
Post by admin on Jun 10, 2008 19:54:41 GMT
Just added Loco breath with Fish to the Edinburgh post. (and moved all the Glasgow videos I had in there to the right place.....oops )
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Jun 18, 2008 19:56:58 GMT
Post by admin on Jun 18, 2008 19:56:58 GMT
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Jun 27, 2008 8:23:35 GMT
Post by admin on Jun 27, 2008 8:23:35 GMT
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Jul 10, 2008 10:05:59 GMT
Post by admin on Jul 10, 2008 10:05:59 GMT
20/6/08 Volksbank Arena Heidenheim, Germany
Bouree (great sound!)
Loco breath (excerpt)
i do wish these youtube people would post different songs and not just the hits!
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Jul 10, 2008 10:10:56 GMT
Post by admin on Jul 10, 2008 10:10:56 GMT
1/7/08 Piazza Matteotti Sogliano sul Rubicone, FC. Italy
(ropey picture, good sound!)
My Sunday Feeling
Aqualung
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Jul 10, 2008 10:15:50 GMT
Post by admin on Jul 10, 2008 10:15:50 GMT
2/7/08 Teatro Arcimboldi Milano, Italy
Living In The Past (great quality, no dodgy phone footage this, looks like some naughty boy smuggled a camcorder in!)
Thick As A brick (most of!)
Bouree
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Jul 10, 2008 17:07:55 GMT
Post by tooold on Jul 10, 2008 17:07:55 GMT
Well Bouree was listenable and had it's moment. It hurts me ears each year to hear Ian miss more and more notes. Maybe backing tapes or no vocals for 90% of the concert? Thanks for the video.
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Aug 4, 2008 20:36:55 GMT
Post by admin on Aug 4, 2008 20:36:55 GMT
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rayman2112
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Don't ask me, I'm just improvising.
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Aug 4, 2008 21:28:53 GMT
Post by rayman2112 on Aug 4, 2008 21:28:53 GMT
yup, those are mine Show was fantastic! Ian sounded really good too! wish I could have done more video, but there was a security guard right in front of me and he was angled so he could see me perfectly. Enjoy the vids! I'll post some pics later on!
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Aug 20, 2008 10:15:01 GMT
Post by admin on Aug 20, 2008 10:15:01 GMT
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