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Post by schubertmachiavelli on Nov 29, 2021 11:24:04 GMT
Agreed, adospencer, the rest of the world (and let's not forget, the casual record-buyers are a huge, if nebulous, chunk of the potential market) see an image of Ian Anderson and say "Jethro Tull" — god knows how often Ian has had to play down the fact that no-one, not least himself, is actually called Jethro in the band, over the years (a slight case of "Which One's Pink?" perhaps?).
As for Joe, yep, I think he's potentially more versatile than Florian (no disrespect to Flo and his excellent work) but I'm fairly sure I've read in all available documentation that Joe is not largely present, if at all, on the new album, given how a fair amount of it was recorded before he joined. There's only one way to find out!
I'm getting ahead of myself here, but in any event, according to A New Day, the deal with Sony is a two-album one (the latter being expected in 2023), so I'm assuming Joe will be fully installed and run-in by then in the studio!
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Post by adospencer on Nov 29, 2021 15:06:35 GMT
A big disappointment to me when Martin left (apart from the obvious) ,is that Ian didn't seek out at the time a guitarist with that "quirky" style we all liked so much and that is such a huge part of the Jethro Tull style. (More I think than Anderson appreciated) . Florian is a fine player, but very generic and in my opinion didnt suit the music at all. (For example, live he all but ruined Budapest with his over the top string bending and flash) Joe apparently only appears on one track on the new album which is a shame. Looking at Joes you tube pages, he seems to be a Tull fan, and his own music is excellent. He seems a nice guy too, when I purchased his EP, he was fulsome in his thanks. Great voice too, if Ian is content to let him sing.
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Post by Catqualung on Nov 29, 2021 16:08:05 GMT
A big disappointment to me when Martin left (apart from the obvious) ,is that Ian didn't seek out at the time a guitarist with that "quirky" style we all liked so much and that is such a huge part of the Jethro Tull style. (More I think than Anderson appreciated) . Florian is a fine player, but very generic and in my opinion didnt suit the music at all. (For example, live he all but ruined Budapest with his over the top string bending and flash) Joe apparently only appears on one track on the new album which is a shame. Looking at Joes you tube pages, he seems to be a Tull fan, and his own music is excellent. He seems a nice guy too, when I purchased his EP, he was fulsome in his thanks. Great voice too, if Ian is content to let him sing. Joe's group, Albion, is very interesting, they have beautiful songs, in the right mood for JT: metal + folk. I really hope he will be involved as a composer too.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 30, 2021 16:51:35 GMT
Duke TV @officialduketv 5h Meeting with Ian Anderson in Paris to discuss about the upcoming release of jethrotull 's new album! Clapper board Soon on duke.tvOptical disc ‘The Zealot Gene’ out Jan 28, 2022 @insideouteu
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 1, 2021 7:19:31 GMT
A big disappointment to me when Martin left (apart from the obvious) ,is that Ian didn't seek out at the time a guitarist with that "quirky" style we all liked so much and that is such a huge part of the Jethro Tull style. (More I think than Anderson appreciated) . Florian is a fine player, but very generic and in my opinion didnt suit the music at all. (For example, live he all but ruined Budapest with his over the top string bending and flash) Joe apparently only appears on one track on the new album which is a shame. Looking at Joes you tube pages, he seems to be a Tull fan, and his own music is excellent. He seems a nice guy too, when I purchased his EP, he was fulsome in his thanks. Great voice too, if Ian is content to let him sing. Ian's done this before with bass players - think Jeffrey and Peggy so I suppose it just could be wanting a change in style/sound. Joe also plays the flute so there's scope for a duet on Bouree as IA did with Martin in the early years.
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Post by adospencer on Dec 1, 2021 10:56:36 GMT
A big disappointment to me when Martin left (apart from the obvious) ,is that Ian didn't seek out at the time a guitarist with that "quirky" style we all liked so much and that is such a huge part of the Jethro Tull style. (More I think than Anderson appreciated) . Florian is a fine player, but very generic and in my opinion didnt suit the music at all. (For example, live he all but ruined Budapest with his over the top string bending and flash) Joe apparently only appears on one track on the new album which is a shame. Looking at Joes you tube pages, he seems to be a Tull fan, and his own music is excellent. He seems a nice guy too, when I purchased his EP, he was fulsome in his thanks. Great voice too, if Ian is content to let him sing. Ian's done this before with bass players - think Jeffrey and Peggy so I suppose it just could be wanting a change in style/sound. Joe also plays the flute so there's scope for a duet on Bouree as IA did with Martin in the early years. Its not really the same though is it? the Barre style and sound was a huge part of Tull for such a long time. I could understand Ian wanting a change of sound for the early 2000s tours of his solo stuff, but when this morphed into a new "Tull" , really Florians style didn't really fit. More likely to be about being cheaper to hire hence the mysterious disappearance of Giddings and Noyce too.
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Post by theothertull on Dec 1, 2021 12:58:59 GMT
Ian's done this before with bass players - think Jeffrey and Peggy so I suppose it just could be wanting a change in style/sound. Joe also plays the flute so there's scope for a duet on Bouree as IA did with Martin in the early years. Its not really the same though is it? the Barre style and sound was a huge part of Tull for such a long time. I could understand Ian wanting a change of sound for the early 2000s tours of his solo stuff, but when this morphed into a new "Tull" , really Florians style didn't really fit. More likely to be about being cheaper to hire hence the mysterious disappearance of Giddings and Noyce too. I don't know, there is a bit too much nostalgia about Martin. Having watched the Tanglewood footage on the Benefit 50th, he wasn't that good. Look at what Steve Howe, Frank Zappa, and others were doing in 70 - 71 - 72, they blow Martin away. I say hold your judgement till you see the new guy live. Any way, the future is always more interesting than the past.
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 1, 2021 13:34:18 GMT
Ian's done this before with bass players - think Jeffrey and Peggy so I suppose it just could be wanting a change in style/sound. Joe also plays the flute so there's scope for a duet on Bouree as IA did with Martin in the early years. Its not really the same though is it? the Barre style and sound was a huge part of Tull for such a long time. I could understand Ian wanting a change of sound for the early 2000s tours of his solo stuff, but when this morphed into a new "Tull" , really Florians style didn't really fit. More likely to be about being cheaper to hire hence the mysterious disappearance of Giddings and Noyce too. I don't agree about Flo et al being cheaper - I reckon it's more about IA wanting to "freshen" the music and to perform with other musicians. I think IA learnt to do that following the endless "best of" tours which he is still guilty of until The Zealot Gene tracks begin to *infiltrate the set list. The fault, if that is the word, about Martin is that doesn't play more of his own music as he did circa 2017 and he is being trapped in the tribute act circuit imo. *best word I could think of
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Post by adospencer on Dec 1, 2021 14:07:51 GMT
I don t disagree with any of the above two posts. In 1970 on his own admission Barre wasn't a good player , and certainly left to his own devices since "leaving" Tull he seems pretty clueless and his live act seems little more than a Tull tribute act (with an awful "pub" singer in my opinion). But my point really is Anderson and Barre together over the years at the heart of Tull became a formidable combination and produced some fine albums and live tours and Barre was at the heart of this sounding like no one else. Part of the thrill of a new Tull album from around 75 onwards for me was picking out that bit of distinctive Barre that helped make the magic. Anderson without Barre has lacked something and its not just nostalgia , but the feeling that just any generic guitarist wont do, it needs that sympathetic "quirky" touch. I think Joe is the man.
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Post by tullabye on Dec 1, 2021 16:53:14 GMT
Duke TV @officialduketv 5h Meeting with Ian Anderson in Paris to discuss about the upcoming release of jethrotull 's new album! Clapper board Soon on duke.tvOptical disc ‘The Zealot Gene’ out Jan 28, 2022 @insideouteu when will this be available for viewing?
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 1, 2021 17:16:54 GMT
Duke TV @officialduketv 5h Meeting with Ian Anderson in Paris to discuss about the upcoming release of jethrotull 's new album! Clapper board Soon on duke.tvOptical disc ‘The Zealot Gene’ out Jan 28, 2022 @insideouteu when will this be available for viewing? Unsure at the moment but I hope very soon.
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Post by tullabye on Dec 2, 2021 6:10:46 GMT
Next month!
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Post by smint100 on Dec 2, 2021 9:12:52 GMT
I've pre-ordered mine - Woo and, erm, Hoo!
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Post by Catqualung on Dec 3, 2021 5:32:27 GMT
I don t disagree with any of the above two posts. In 1970 on his own admission Barre wasn't a good player , and certainly left to his own devices since "leaving" Tull he seems pretty clueless and his live act seems little more than a Tull tribute act (with an awful "pub" singer in my opinion). But my point really is Anderson and Barre together over the years at the heart of Tull became a formidable combination and produced some fine albums and live tours and Barre was at the heart of this sounding like no one else. Part of the thrill of a new Tull album from around 75 onwards for me was picking out that bit of distinctive Barre that helped make the magic. Anderson without Barre has lacked something and its not just nostalgia , but the feeling that just any generic guitarist wont do, it needs that sympathetic "quirky" touch. I think Joe is the man. Yes Joe can really be the man! I hope he has not popped up too late for giving more contributions in studio and as a composer. Joe is smart: he directs his own band, he knows classical and ancient music, and metal, he can play electric and acoustic guitar, mandolin, flute (listen to "Jack O' Kent"!) and he can sing quite well... But not only he is talented and has his own vision, he is still young, so that Jethro Tull still means a great opportunity to him, for growing up as a musician, make experiences in studio and on stage... learning from the master! But what a deal for Mr. A! Joe sings and play the guitar, all in one: so he has to pay only 1 people in place of 2 (Florian and Ryan!) as of salary, hotel rooms, travel tickets, etc... A big saving of money! Don't forget that Mr. A. is a scottish business man!
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Post by smint100 on Dec 3, 2021 12:51:49 GMT
Just received this e-mail from Burning Shed: Jethro Tull The Zealot Gene (Red) (Various formats pre-order) We are pleased to announce that everyone who purchases The Zealot Gene via the JT store / Burning Shed will receive a free album cover fridge magnet, as well as being entered into a raffle to win a lyric sheet hand-written and signed by Ian Anderson (personally dedicated to the winner). The limited Burning Shed exclusive 180g red double vinyl edition of Jethro Tull's first album of all-new music for 22 years is now close to selling out (as is the Deluxe vinyl set), so please order soon to be sure of getting a copy Pre-order for 28th January release. Yay! I'm going to get a free fridge magnet - could life get any better?
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Post by steelmonkey on Dec 3, 2021 23:38:41 GMT
Taping the lyric sheet to the fridge door would be nice.
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 4, 2021 13:28:02 GMT
This must be a first?Zealot Gene: Spoken Word Cover438 views Nov 28, 2021 John Bennett 4 subscribers Neither silent nor singing, the words for the next Jethro Tull album, Zealot Gene. Jethro Tull's official merch : www.value-merch.de/en/jethrotull
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Post by steelmonkey on Dec 4, 2021 19:27:23 GMT
He spoke TAAB 2 somewhere back there in extra CD/DVD land
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 8, 2021 6:32:37 GMT
Sad City Sisters 315 views Dec 7, 2021
Jethro Tull 142K subscribers
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Post by adospencer on Dec 8, 2021 6:43:59 GMT
It must be due to his vocal limitations, but it seems nearly every song now sounds like Ian is running through a list ,a series of statements, rather than unfolding a story? Almost a Christmas feel to this latest one, I like it, though the wheezy upfront accordion slows it down a bit.
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 8, 2021 12:21:58 GMT
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Post by smint100 on Dec 8, 2021 12:23:38 GMT
I like it, although it's not very flattering to girls on a night out "Sad City Sisters throws up memories of a Saturday night in Cardiff, Wales when I was on my way home from our concert in St David's Hall some years ago. It could equally well have been any town in the UK, I suppose, or even most cities of the Western World. What possesses hell-bent and vulnerable young people to slip so easily into that tragic loss of dignity and end up sprawling drunk in a wet and windy street at midnight?" - Ian Anderson Interesting lyrics - not sure whether the final lines (taken from Silent Singing) are desperately sad or offer hope (I'm siding more with the former )
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 8, 2021 12:31:07 GMT
Jethro Tull – Sad City Sisters (Official Video) 841 views Premiered 27 minutes ago Jethro Tull 143K subscribers
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Post by JTull 007 on Dec 8, 2021 14:13:18 GMT
Jethro Tull – Sad City Sisters (Official Video)841 views Premiered 27 minutes ago Jethro Tull 143K subscribers Very interesting but sad tune which relates to prostitution The use of Greek words : Eros God of love, lust and sex Agape ( /ˈæɡəpi/ from Ancient Greek ἀγάπη (agápē) ) is a Greco-Christian term referring to unconditional love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God"
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Post by ash on Dec 8, 2021 15:35:52 GMT
Jethro Tull – Sad City Sisters (Official Video)841 views Premiered 27 minutes ago Jethro Tull 143K subscribers Very interesting but sad tune which relates to prostitution The use of Greek words : Eros God of love, lust and sex Agape ( /ˈæɡəpi/ from Ancient Greek ἀγάπη (agápē) ) is a Greco-Christian term referring to unconditional love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God" Sounds like a lot of British towns these days
"Sad City Sisters throws up memories of a Saturday night in Cardiff, Wales when I was on my way home from our concert in St David's Hall some years ago. It could equally well have been any town in the UK, I suppose, or even most cities of the Western World. What possesses hell-bent and vulnerable young people to slip so easily into that tragic loss of dignity and end up sprawling drunk in a wet and windy street at midnight?" - Ian Anderson
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Post by JTull 007 on Dec 8, 2021 15:41:38 GMT
Sam Chegini Fb LINK "I'm truly honored to have had the opportunity to work with Jethro Tull again on their new upcoming album in more than 18 years! Here is the sad story of "Sad City Sisters" from the new album "The Zealot Gene". It was quite a different experience making this video come to life!"
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Post by bunkerfan on Dec 8, 2021 16:09:50 GMT
Jethro Tull – Sad City Sisters (Official Video)841 views Premiered 27 minutes ago Jethro Tull 143K subscribers On first hearing I love this song But maybe not the squeezebox Only joking
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 8, 2021 16:26:45 GMT
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Post by smint100 on Dec 8, 2021 17:23:56 GMT
Well, I have only the vaguest idea what the video is about, but the song is good
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Post by oldghost on Dec 8, 2021 17:28:01 GMT
Kinda Secret Language soundworld....solid overall...vocals a bit flat this time...the use of the damn squeezy thing may be cool, but too much to the fore in the mix (reminiscent of "Change Of Horses")...yet the reintroduction of the Irish tin whistle is very welcoming to this listener's ears...
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