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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 6:09:45 GMT
Would you have liked to have seen one made, especially during the seventies when they were at their peak?
LIVING IN THE PAST and BURSTING OUT are quasi-compilation and live albums, respectively.
IA was asked why TULL didn't record one, while other progressive bands like ELP, YES and GENESIS did so.
I cannot recall his response.
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Post by orion12 on Oct 29, 2020 7:55:52 GMT
Both 'The Broadsword and the Beast' and 'Warchild' could have been easily a double-concept albums.
There were about 26 songs recorded during 1981-1982 Broadsword and Beast era. There are lot of very good tunes from that sessions. For example: Jack Frost And The Hooded Crow, Jack-A-Lynn, Mayhem Maybe(with vocals recorded circa 1988), Too Many Too, Overhang, Rhythm In Gold, I Am Your Gun.. It's enough to make 'The Broadsword and the Beast' very good double album.
The same for Warchild album. It's easy to do a double-concept album - Warchild 2 - made by 'outtakes'.
WARCHILD 1 Warchild Queen and country Ladies Back door angels Sealion Skating away Bungle in the jungle Only Solitaire The third hoorah Two fingers
WARCHILD 2 Warchild waltz Quartet Paradise steakhouse Sealion 2 Rainbow blues Glory row Saturation March the mad scientist
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Post by acreman on Oct 29, 2020 9:21:09 GMT
IA was asked why TULL didn't record one, while other progressive bands like ELP, YES and GENESIS did so. I cannot recall his response. His response might as well have been "look how badly the double albums by those bands turned out." Though, as orion12 pointed out, he actually did have enough extra material on his hands during the War Child and Broadsword periods to make a quality double album. Maybe he felt in those situations that he didn't have enough of a "concept" to unify the additional tracks. Or maybe he was concerned that asking fans to spend extra on a double album would result in fewer sales overall. Context might have been very important as well. I think with War Child he wanted to get back to making a "normal" album after he had received so much criticism for "overdoing it" with A Passion Play. And by the time Broadsword came around, he had little reason to believe that the public would be hungry for a Tull double record, as the A album didn't exactly set the world on fire.
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Post by Essan on Oct 29, 2020 13:44:08 GMT
The APP 'extended performance' remaster contains 3 sides of what would presumably have been a double album had the original Passion Play aka Chateau d'Isaster recordings been completed.
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Post by orion12 on Oct 29, 2020 17:56:03 GMT
I believe Ian felt a quite uncomfortable after a critical opinion and negative reviews A Passion Play got. I think it caused that he give up creating a longer concept(double) albums ever since.
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Post by acreman on Oct 30, 2020 12:04:24 GMT
ELP WORKS: VOLUME 1 and THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY turned out badly? I don't agree. I didn't like TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS. "Tales from Topographic Oceans received a mixed critical reception and became a symbol of alleged progressive rock excess with its detailed concept and lengthy songs. However it was a commercial success, becoming the first UK album to reach gold certification solely based on pre-orders...." -Wikipedia It isn't so much about what individuals like or dislike. There are definitely people out there who enjoy those albums. I'm actually one of the folks who like Tales, at least parts of it, even though it's a self-indulgent, fluff-filled monster of an album. But Tales doesn't receive nearly as much reverence as the three Yes albums that immediately preceded it--not from fans, and not from the artists themselves. It did go gold, but it wasn't as successful financially as the three that came before it, even though it was able to ride their coattails to a great extent. And Rick Wakeman's own displeasure with it seemed to have a lot to do with him departing from the band. I don't think these were the sorts of objectives Yes had in mind with it. Works is commonly viewed as the first step in a very steep decline for ELP. It certainly isn't held in the same high regard as their first four studio albums. And these albums are often cited as primary examples of the sort of overwrought bloat-fests that made punk seem refreshing to a lot of people. So while I can say that there are things to like/appreciate about them, I'd be hard-pressed to label them "success stories."
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Post by jackinthegreen on Nov 1, 2020 22:09:53 GMT
ELP WORKS: VOLUME 1 and THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY turned out badly? I don't agree. I didn't like TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS. "Tales from Topographic Oceans received a mixed critical reception and became a symbol of alleged progressive rock excess with its detailed concept and lengthy songs. However it was a commercial success, becoming the first UK album to reach gold certification solely based on pre-orders...." -Wikipedia It isn't so much about what individuals like or dislike. There are definitely people out there who enjoy those albums. I'm actually one of the folks who like Tales, at least parts of it, even though it's a self-indulgent, fluff-filled monster of an album. But Tales doesn't receive nearly as much reverence as the three Yes albums that immediately preceded it--not from fans, and not from the artists themselves. It did go gold, but it wasn't as successful financially as the three that came before it, even though it was able to ride their coattails to a great extent. And Rick Wakeman's own displeasure with it seemed to have a lot to do with him departing from the band. I don't think these were the sorts of objectives Yes had in mind with it. Works is commonly viewed as the first step in a very steep decline for ELP. It certainly isn't held in the same high regard as their first four studio albums. And these albums are often cited as primary examples of the sort of overwrought bloat-fests that made punk seem refreshing to a lot of people. So while I can say that there are things to like/appreciate about them, I'd be hard-pressed to label them "success stories." Why has "Chester" disappeared?
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