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Post by steelmonkey on May 12, 2018 18:33:51 GMT
Quit whining.....underpaid quickie album cover art that became iconic stories are dime a dozen ( that's underpaid, too?). I'm sure at the time, most artists were glad to get a handful of ducats to produce an album cover,....the crapshoot of what became iconic vs what was promptly forgotten is no different than every other crapshoot in life...if an artist's work gets spread over the world and the years via a popular album cover...be grateful and use it to hype your career...don't act like you were cheated and should have been pre- or post compensated for unplanned numbers.
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Post by steelmonkey on May 12, 2018 18:34:24 GMT
Yes I'm having a crappy day at work...why do you ask?
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Post by JTull 007 on May 13, 2018 0:58:11 GMT
Artwork for album covers is not enough to get angry about what happened when once it became a hit.
Was it the music or the artwork which made you buy the album?  The MUSIC of course  
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Post by butch on May 13, 2018 1:59:19 GMT
I've been a Tull fan since 1971 when I was introduced to "Cross Eyed Mary" in the midst of a marijuana fog where my friends were interpreting the first strains of the song as depicting a wolf chasing a girl through the forest, getting closer and closer, and finally catching up to her. Tull was my FIRST concert at the age of 18 at Denver's Coliseum when they were on the Thick as a Brick Tour in '72. Yes I have the albums and CDs and been to the concerts. Having said that: I read the article about Mr. Silverman's creation of the EPIC Aqualung album cover (edited)This guy created a masterpiece "for a song" as Anderson might say and he was paid about $10,500 in today's dollars. That cover art IS a neon sign for the album and can't be dissociated from having an impact on its success. Who cares whether crybaby Anderson doesn't like what he thinks is a representation of himself. IT WORKS! And it helped sell HIS albums. Silverman didn't make a good business deal. That's obvious. So Anderson and ilk are going to use that as an excuse to keep him from benefiting from his enormous contribution to THEIR success? Ian Anderson is a pussy if he can't find a way to give Mr. Silverman credit and a "few bob" as a deserved "THANK-YOU" after all these years. |
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Post by butch on May 13, 2018 3:00:07 GMT
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Post by butch on May 13, 2018 3:04:34 GMT
If artwork didn't help sell an album than why not just put all of it in a plain brown bag? Packaging matters and if a guy created a masterpiece and was paid a pittance for helping sell hundreds of $Millions of dollars of product, what's wrong with him wanting to make a claim on some of that? Even if he didn't have an ironclad agreement?
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Post by nonrabbit on May 13, 2018 9:21:19 GMT
If artwork didn't help sell an album than why not just put all of it in a plain brown bag? Packaging matters and if a guy created a masterpiece and was paid a pittance for helping sell hundreds of $Millions of dollars of product, what's wrong with him wanting to make a claim on some of that? Even if he didn't have an ironclad agreement? See your point however the story also includes old copyright laws and no one knowing at the time what the outcome might be. Also, this is only one side of the story. Anderson's response to Silverman - in his letter, seemed reasonable enough to me and I start to have doubts about it all when I read Silverman juniors response to that. |
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Post by nonrabbit on May 13, 2018 9:28:13 GMT
Here's the interview we had with Iain McCaig - Broadsword &TB album artist. He talks about his call from Ian to do B&TB and Ian's collaboration with that one. Iain McCaig Q&A |
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Post by bunkerfan on May 13, 2018 10:40:47 GMT
Silverman didn't make a good business deal. That's obvious. So Anderson and ilk are going to use that as an excuse to keep him from benefiting from his enormous contribution to THEIR success? Ian Anderson is a pussy if he can't find a way to give Mr. Silverman credit and a "few bob" as a deserved "THANK-YOU" after all these years. Presumably Silverman was happy to be paid $1,500 for those three paintings in 1971, so it's no good moaning about it years later IMO. I was just reading yesterday that in 1971 Stevie Wonder, On his twenty-first birthday received all his childhood earnings. Despite having earned $30 million so far, he received only $1 million. It seems 1971 wasn't a good year for some.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 12:06:31 GMT
Have any of you seen the excellent 2016 movie "The Founder"?
Near the end of it, the McDonald brothers make a "handshake deal" with fastfood restaurant entrepreneur Ray Kroc (played by Michael Keaton) and they end up losing billions of dollars.
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Post by JTull 007 on May 13, 2018 12:08:55 GMT
If artwork didn't help sell an album than why not just put all of it in a plain brown bag? Packaging matters and if a guy created a masterpiece and was paid a pittance for helping sell hundreds of $Millions of dollars of product, what's wrong with him wanting to make a claim on some of that? Even if he didn't have an ironclad agreement?
jethrotull.proboards.com/thread/2118/strange-album-covers
I feel no obligation to listen to any music based on the album cover. Even when it looks great it's what's inside. 
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Post by JTull 007 on May 13, 2018 12:40:00 GMT
Forgive me Lord.  Here is my Favorite TULL Album Cover It's what is inside that counts.    Special thanks to Joey Lee Ledford as Aqualung
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Post by butch on May 13, 2018 13:44:41 GMT
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Post by butch on May 13, 2018 15:16:46 GMT
If artwork didn't help sell an album than why not just put all of it in a plain brown bag? Packaging matters and if a guy created a masterpiece and was paid a pittance for helping sell hundreds of $Millions of dollars of product, what's wrong with him wanting to make a claim on some of that? Even if he didn't have an ironclad agreement?
jethrotull.proboards.com/thread/2118/strange-album-covers
I feel no obligation to listen to any music based on the album cover. Even when it looks great it's what's inside.
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Post by butch on May 13, 2018 15:25:30 GMT
Ask yourself what would likely happen if EVERY record ever produced came in plain white packaging. The fact that they don't is what distinguished the White Album from all others and Silverman's artwork does the same for Aqualung. Multi-millionaire Ian Anderson can afford NOT to be so miserly to the man who helped him so much. That Anderson chooses to be such a selfish tightwad says volumes about what kind of man he is.
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Post by JTull 007 on May 13, 2018 15:48:04 GMT
Ask yourself what would likely happen if EVERY record ever produced came in plain white packaging. The fact that they don't is what distinguished the White Album from all others and Silverman's artwork does the same for Aqualung. Multi-millionaire Ian Anderson can afford NOT to be so miserly to the man who helped him so much. That Anderson chooses to be such a selfish tightwad says volumes about what kind of man he is.
I don't care what others may think about Ian Anderson in general which includes those who trash his voice.
If I listened to those critics I would never have been a TULL fan since 1973 when APP was too complicated for those.
Regardless, this appears to be a 50th Anniversary smear campaign which is not working at all. SOLD OUT gigs in the U.K. 
I'll be very pleased to see the next album cover and hang it in my TULL Cavern along with all the rest.
The Art of TULL is never DULL
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Post by butch on May 13, 2018 17:11:58 GMT
And as I've posted, I've been a Tull fan since 1971 but it doesn't blind me to what appears to be the fact that Anderson is (edited) perfectly capable, but unwilling, to give a guy his just due. (edited)
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Post by nonrabbit on May 13, 2018 18:02:44 GMT
Hi Butch and Welcome to the JT Forum
Not sure if you've been viewing for a while and just joined us now however as a long term Tull fan your very welcome to join in.
As a Mod I have to refer you to the rules of the Forum and name calling isn't encouraged.
As a fellow Tull fan I'd be interested in your wider view of Tull as it's looking a bit one sided at the moment
Cheers
Patti
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Post by geostrehl on May 13, 2018 22:24:43 GMT
And as I've posted, I've been a Tull fan since 1971 but it doesn't blind me to what appears to be the fact that Anderson is(edited) perfectly capable, but unwilling, to give a guy his just due. You can worship (edited) J.T. all you want. I'll worship J.C. You remind me of the person who entered this forum a few months back and dared people to dislike him. He was offensive and abrasive and left within days. You're entitled to your opinion, but coming into a Tull forum and calling Ian a "pussy" and a "prick" isn't going to go over well here. If you aren't a fan of his business practices, can't you express your point without resorting to foul language? Do you lack the appropriate adjectives needed to make your point? Maybe you're a bit immature? A rabble-rouser? Cut it out. |
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Post by JTull 007 on May 14, 2018 11:19:54 GMT
Charlie Black says...
"JAJAJA QUE GRANDE TOMOS SOMOS TULLL.... ABRAZO"
"We are all BIG TULLL Fans" Excelente
 
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Post by steelmonkey on May 14, 2018 17:27:36 GMT
A huge amount of capitalism takes place on an on spec or own risk basis...business is a gamble...some ideas, creations, concepts, designs succeed beyond wildest dreams, some die on the vine. If an artist negotiates album cover art on a 'per album sold' or 'image copied' basis...good for him or her. Otherwise, you make a deal, sell something, get paid and its over and out of your hands and wallet. Silverman and his heirs should be glad for the fame and attention the cover art for Aqualung got him...he should be paying Ian a bonus.I don't remember seeing or hearing about his prominent career ( but I am too low class to know about the art world beyond big names like Warhol and Basquiat).
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Post by JTull 007 on May 17, 2018 0:56:04 GMT
The awesome crowds of people just enjoying the band Jethro Tull 1982 New York City USA
[Photo Jeremy Cohen]
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Post by nonrabbit on May 17, 2018 8:21:40 GMT
Great photo Jim.
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Post by JTull 007 on May 17, 2018 10:51:12 GMT
I always love TULL Art in all it's forms. In many ways it relates to a spiritual feeling about life.
Whomever created the banner in 1982 was a TRUE TULL Fan and should be part of this discussion.
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Post by JTull 007 on May 20, 2018 23:48:46 GMT
Jethro Tull Aqualung picture disc rare promo  LINK 
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The MUSIC of course 
Here is my Favorite TULL Album Cover 
