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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 1, 2017 15:58:09 GMT
I saw mention in a thread of photocopied leaked letters from Anderson firing band members. Are photos of these letters linked anywhere? I'd be very interested in seeing them.
I've also searched the Web for direct quotes and personal recountings about Andrew Giddings being let go abruptly. I read somewhere Giddings was quoted with angry remarks.
A similar story I can't find anywhere about Peter Vettese describing a toxic environment within Tull prompting him to leave.
Barrie Barlow quotes preferably unveiled.
Any close to direct sources information is appreciated, thank you.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 1, 2017 16:04:18 GMT
I saw mention in a thread of photocopied leaked letters from Anderson firing band members. Are photos of these letters linked anywhere? I'd be very interested in seeing them. I've also searched the Web for direct quotes and personal recountings about Andrew Giddings being let go abruptly. I read somewhere Giddings was quoted with angry remarks. A similar story I can't find anywhere about Peter Vettese describing a toxic environment within Tull prompting him to leave. Barrie Barlow quotes preferably unveiled. Any close to direct sources information is appreciated, thank you. Never seen them myself and, apart from quotes from Barrie, they are rumour and unverified as far as I'm concerned. An example might be Mick Abrahams leaving back in '68 where many and varied stories were put about as to why he left, many of which turned out to be false.
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Post by JTull 007 on Jan 1, 2017 16:19:41 GMT
Without being certain of anything on the internet, there are no real answers. The issues that happened since 1968 are part of rumour mainly unless quoted directly from each member.
I have had almost 44 years of learning what TULL is all about. It's about CHANGE.
When Ian or Martin wish to write their memoirs I suppose we can all choose whom to believe. Even the contracts which are normally private matters will eventually be known I suppose. Royalties from albums and anything associated with the name "TULL" could also be leaked by the Russians.
In most cases musicians are lucky to have an honest agent or promoter from the record companies. Many got practically nothing and made up for it with LIVE performances. Ian became the boss in the mid 70's. If someone got rich from their albums, her name would be Enya.
I'm just glad to have 2 TULL bands which means I can ROCK as many times as possible before there are none.
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 1, 2017 16:22:41 GMT
The only things I vaguely recall, and as you said, rumor and innuendo, was that (iffy rememberance and I can't substantiate any of it so I suppose it's all pointless questions. I just miss the real Tull.
Barlow found out John Glascock's pay was far lower than his own and supposedly left over it after confronting Ian.
Vettese described high tensions due to IA backstage explosions regarding his vocal problems.
Giddings being let go because his years of tenure would have meant a pay hike that IA didn't want to deliver on due to the diminished venue size and audiences.
That's all I recall by again, vague recollection.
Thank you. Perhaps best left alone as it is what it is....My lapse.
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 1, 2017 16:25:52 GMT
[Royalties from albums and anything associated with the name "TULL" could also be leaked by the Russians;) That cracked me up!!!!!
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 1, 2017 17:31:14 GMT
The only things I vaguely recall, and as you said, rumor and innuendo, was that (iffy rememberance and I can't substantiate any of it so I suppose it's all pointless questions. I just miss the real Tull. Barlow found out John Glascock's pay was far lower than his own and supposedly left over it after confronting Ian. Vettese described high tensions due to IA backstage explosions regarding his vocal problems. Giddings being let go because his years of tenure would have meant a pay hike that IA didn't want to deliver on due to the diminished venue size and audiences. That's all I recall by again, vague recollection. Thank you. Perhaps best left alone as it is what it is....My lapse. It's an unfortunate fact of life that a lot of cr@p has been spoken about the band over the years and the same goes for probably every band, solo artist, film star, etc. Fortunately the so called fans who have bad mouthed the band in the past seem to have disappeared up their own orifices and don't seem to be around much these days which is a blessing. No one is perfect and I've no doubt that people within the band have their off days and the very few instances that I've heard about such matters have remained with me and that will always be the case. Those people who claim to know absolutely everything about Tull have in most cases been found out for the charlatans they are and have gone off to mope somewhere and to spread their mistruths elsewhere. I don't know about the instances you refer to, interesting as they may seem but, as in life, the truth is normally mundane and far from the truth that's written. Now if you'd been able to find out that Mr. Giddings had been kidnapped by aliens or that Mr Vettese had joined the band of the Royal Household Cavalry then we may have been onto something
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Post by futureshock on Jan 1, 2017 17:56:38 GMT
It's an unfortunate fact of life that a lot of cr@p has been spoken about the band over the years and the same goes for probably every band, solo artist, film star, etc. Fortunately the so called fans who have bad mouthed the band in the past seem to have disappeared up their own orifices and don't seem to be around much these days which is a blessing. No one is perfect and I've no doubt that people within the band have their off days and the very few instances that I've heard about such matters have remained with me and that will always be the case. Those people who claim to know absolutely everything about Tull have in most cases been found out for the charlatans they are and have gone off to mope somewhere and to spread their mistruths elsewhere. I don't know about the instances you refer to, interesting as they may seem but, as in life, the truth is normally mundane and far from the truth that's written. Now if you'd been able to find out that Mr. Giddings had been kidnapped by aliens or that Mr Vettese had joined the band of the Royal Household Cavalry then we may have been onto something [/quote] People should not criticize those in high-performance/high demand careers until first you've been through such a grinder for at least a decade, then you'll have a hint as to what good your opinion might be if it's either uninformed, crass or for that matter, full of the "inside scoop", which so few are. It's no mystery that the world of performance and recorded music has been under extreme, abrupt and threatening changes over the last while due to file sharing, cost of travel, virtual elimination of record store shopping which greatly reduces customer exposure to a diversity of music (that YouTube is really helping to correct, but 10 to 15 years was lost while the home computing/hand-helds picked up the slack. Smaller venues, but maybe more of them, it's a mix of adjustments for everyone.
I remember my high school geography teacher saying, as the local music union said (a formality with no real presence in anything), that "LIVE MUSIC IS BEST", when in fact it's the heart and soul of music, for 1) creators, 2) players anywhere, 3) live performance, 4) listening audiences and 4) dancing audiences if that's the gig too.
Tull no longer tours with 75 transports full of amps and stage lights, 750 roadies and 250 extra drum mics and 85 pounds of extra guitar strings. I have no idea why. They really should never change anything they do for any reason ever ever ever.
Happy New Years.
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Post by geostrehl on Jan 1, 2017 23:36:56 GMT
I saw mention in a thread of photocopied leaked letters from Anderson firing band members. Are photos of these letters linked anywhere? I'd be very interested in seeing them. I've also searched the Web for direct quotes and personal recountings about Andrew Giddings being let go abruptly. I read somewhere Giddings was quoted with angry remarks. A similar story I can't find anywhere about Peter Vettese describing a toxic environment within Tull prompting him to leave. Barrie Barlow quotes preferably unveiled. Any close to direct sources information is appreciated, thank you. I cannot provide any evidence, but I have seen one letter. In an interview with Andrew Giddings, I recall him saying that he left Tull on good terms. Also, something about an awkward goodbye hug with Ian... something like that. However, right after Giddings left Tull, I can clearly remember him posting the "firing" letter on his profile (was it Facebook? Myspace? I don't remember). It was something along the lines of (forgive me... it's been years - and it has somehow disappeared from the interwebs) To whom it may concern: blah blah Mr Anderson does not further require your services for upcoming dates blah blah something like that - The Ian Anderson Group of Companies Remember, this was years ago. But I can say with 100% certainty that the "firing" letter was posted by Andrew on one of his profiles. In another life, I actually had a Facebook. Haha. I also remember Andrew posting something like "Hello, anybody local interested in a glass table? Giving away a glass coffee table in perfect condition." I'm sure that this has all disappeared since then. Andrew doesn't say negative things about leaving the band, but this was RIGHT AFTER the split and he was pissed. I swear on my life. So yeah, there were angry remarks from Andrew. I can understand why he'd remove that stuff from online, though.
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 1, 2017 23:56:38 GMT
Thanks Geo! I knew I remembered seeing what you described regarding Andrew Giddings.
Thanks also very much for your most amiable reply!
I also noticed here on the website these direct quotes....
Peter Vettese
.. " as Ian's voice began to get worse, his own temperament began to suffer. The night Ian jumped off stage in LA to berate some poor Tull enthusiast for smoking weed was the night I made my decision to experience life without Tull's cosseting support. Enjoyable? Well with hindsight it was. Had I stayed any longer, I'm not so sure".
Barrie Barlow (when asked why he left Tull)
,..."disenchantment with the regime"
Thanks again!
Oh not referencing your post now, but another reply above.
....Right, and no PA to speak of anymore either.
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Post by geostrehl on Jan 2, 2017 0:27:14 GMT
Thanks Geo! I knew I remembered seeing what you described regarding Andrew Giddings. Thanks also very much for your most amiable reply! I also noticed here on the website these direct quotes.... Peter Vettese .. " as Ian's voice began to get worse, his own temperament began to suffer. The night Ian jumped off stage in LA to berate some poor Tull enthusiast for smoking weed was the night I made my decision to experience life without Tull's cosseting support. Enjoyable? Well with hindsight it was. Had I stayed any longer, I'm not so sure". Barrie Barlow (when asked why he left Tull) ,..."disenchantment with the regime" Thanks again! Oh not referencing your post now, but another reply above. ....Right, and no PA to speak of anymore either. Here's all I can find right now. I'll keep searching. www.electrocutas.co.uk/andy.htmlI'll try to find that letter!
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 2, 2017 0:42:45 GMT
Thank you again, Geo I found the following Barrie Barlow also thejethrotullboard.proboards.com/thread/1931/dog-house-barriemore-barlowBB: Yeah. I was just completely devastated. He was 27. John had been in the band for four years, and he didn't have the money in his account to pay for the funeral, so I paid for his funeral. That made me very bitter towards Ian [Anderson] and the whole regime [Tull]. I was probably in mourning for about 12 months. I couldn't believe the financial set up that John had with him [Ian]. JM: Not only are you mourning the loss of your friend, you're harboring a lot of anger against 'the regime' as well. BB: Financially we lived under a bit of a cloud. It was fantastic to get the opportunity to make a good living doing what you love, and to play with Ian and the challenge of the music in those days. I felt completely blessed. Then the reality of what happened to John, because there was a massive regime change after Jeffrey [Hammond-Hammond] left, and John fell foul of that. As a consequence I didn't listen to any Tull for 25 years. I just couldn't...
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 2, 2017 8:39:46 GMT
Thank you again, Geo I found the following Barrie Barlow also thejethrotullboard.proboards.com/thread/1931/dog-house-barriemore-barlowBB: Yeah. I was just completely devastated. He was 27. John had been in the band for four years, and he didn't have the money in his account to pay for the funeral, so I paid for his funeral. That made me very bitter towards Ian [Anderson] and the whole regime [Tull]. I was probably in mourning for about 12 months. I couldn't believe the financial set up that John had with him [Ian]. JM: Not only are you mourning the loss of your friend, you're harboring a lot of anger against 'the regime' as well. BB: Financially we lived under a bit of a cloud. It was fantastic to get the opportunity to make a good living doing what you love, and to play with Ian and the challenge of the music in those days. I felt completely blessed. Then the reality of what happened to John, because there was a massive regime change after Jeffrey [Hammond-Hammond] left, and John fell foul of that. As a consequence I didn't listen to any Tull for 25 years. I just couldn't... I can fully understand the emotion invested in loving a band or musician but I can never understand how something that the musician or band does ( if true) could cause any impact on the enjoyment that I get from the music. I sometimes think that Ian could be a bit less grumpy and withdrawn at times but then I think of Fish who in my opinion - bless him, wears his heart on his sleeve and is a prolific poster on various pages ( lovely bloke and knew him personally) but then I think that I would rather have Ian's more "formal" approach.
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Post by Equus on Jan 2, 2017 20:44:39 GMT
Thank you again, Geo I found the following Barrie Barlow also thejethrotullboard.proboards.com/thread/1931/dog-house-barriemore-barlowBB: Yeah. I was just completely devastated. He was 27. John had been in the band for four years, and he didn't have the money in his account to pay for the funeral, so I paid for his funeral. That made me very bitter towards Ian [Anderson] and the whole regime [Tull]. I was probably in mourning for about 12 months. I couldn't believe the financial set up that John had with him [Ian]. JM: Not only are you mourning the loss of your friend, you're harboring a lot of anger against 'the regime' as well. BB: Financially we lived under a bit of a cloud. It was fantastic to get the opportunity to make a good living doing what you love, and to play with Ian and the challenge of the music in those days. I felt completely blessed. Then the reality of what happened to John, because there was a massive regime change after Jeffrey [Hammond-Hammond] left, and John fell foul of that. As a consequence I didn't listen to any Tull for 25 years. I just couldn't... I think that Nonrabbit is right... The music is separated from the creator of the music... Some musicians are pure assholes... but they make great music anyway... John Lennon could be like that, but I understand what you are saying... The problem is that the two experiences gets intertwined... It's almost impossible for the human brain not to connect the two experiences... So if we have had a series of bad encounters with someone named Gert, you will probably not give your kid that name... There's really not anything wrong with the name Gert, but it has been invaded, and connected with the same bad feelings that you experienced with the Gert of the past... I must admit that I would never ever try to get close to Ian Anderson... and the reason for that is that I simply don't want to walk away from something like that with a bad feeling... a feeling that could enter my mind, and pollute the music of Jethro Tull that I like so much... I have met him once and that was quite enough for me... It was a very bad experience, and it took years for me to get over it... A brief encounter that made me very, very sad... I asked him about something, and he just looked at me, and didn't answer at all. I said something again, and he just looked at me in what I had a very hard time not to interpret as condescending... I spend a lot of time thinking about this, in order to get over it... I don't blame Ian, but it had a huge impact on me... ...and don't call your kid Gert... It's not a very good name, is it?
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Post by geostrehl on Jan 2, 2017 21:34:13 GMT
It was a very bad experience, and it took years for me to get over it... A brief encounter that made me very, very sad... I asked him about something, and he just looked at me, and didn't answer at all. I said something again, and he just looked at me in what I had a very hard time not to interpret as condescending... I spend a lot of time thinking about this, in order to get over it... I don't blame Ian, but it had a huge impact on me... ...and don't call your kid Gert... It's not a very good name, is it? If you don't mind me asking, what did you ask him? I'm sure that you left this out for a reason, so pardon my forwardness. I'd be very interested to hear some more details about the encounter.
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Post by Equus on Jan 2, 2017 23:07:04 GMT
It was a very bad experience, and it took years for me to get over it... A brief encounter that made me very, very sad... I asked him about something, and he just looked at me, and didn't answer at all. I said something again, and he just looked at me in what I had a very hard time not to interpret as condescending... I spend a lot of time thinking about this, in order to get over it... I don't blame Ian, but it had a huge impact on me... ...and don't call your kid Gert... It's not a very good name, is it? If you don't mind me asking, what did you ask him? I'm sure that you left this out for a reason, so pardon my forwardness. I'd be very interested to hear some more details about the encounter. I really don't remember... probably something stupid though... You are implying that I left something out for a reason... What makes you so sure about that?
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Post by rredmond on Jan 2, 2017 23:40:51 GMT
I think he was just apologizing for asking you if you remember the reason - in case it was something you'd rather not share. But I've had interactions like that where I remember the unpleasantness of it, but not the specifics. Though it may be from the curse of being a social worker. --Ron--
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Post by rredmond on Jan 2, 2017 23:43:46 GMT
My guess is that a thread like this can get very dicey if we aren't careful. Interesting, but too easy to take things the wrong way. Hey look my login for that other board still works. Who'd'a thunk!
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Post by geostrehl on Jan 2, 2017 23:54:05 GMT
If you don't mind me asking, what did you ask him? I'm sure that you left this out for a reason, so pardon my forwardness. I'd be very interested to hear some more details about the encounter. I really don't remember... probably something stupid though... You are implying that I left something out for a reason... What makes you so sure about that? Woah woah woah. I was just observing that you left said details out. I figured that perhaps the details were private and you didn't want to share, so I was apologizing for being so bold as to ask you what was actually said. rredmond is correct. Maybe I should've chosen my words with more care. Again, I apologize.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 3, 2017 9:04:26 GMT
... Hey look my login for that other board still works. Who'd'a thunk!
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Post by Equus on Jan 3, 2017 9:48:57 GMT
I really don't remember... probably something stupid though... You are implying that I left something out for a reason... What makes you so sure about that? Woah woah woah. I was just observing that you left said details out. I figured that perhaps the details were private and you didn't want to share, so I was apologizing for being so bold as to ask you what was actually said. rredmond is correct. Maybe I should've chosen my words with more care. Again, I apologize. First of all, I love Ian... There should be no doubt about that, and to me he is the absolute best there is when it comes to music. He is not perfect when it comes to communication, but to be fair, I think that he is a hell of a good communicator, most of the time. I don't blame Ian for this brief encounter... Not a bit... I just don't want to experience something like that again... and I really don't remember what I said to him... I met him and the band in Copenhagen, in a music store... somewhere in the 90'ties... They were signing autographs, and when it was my turn, I started to talk a little... No answer at all... I tried again... and no answer at all... It was a very awkward moment... I had a very hard time forgetting this... I tried not to think about it, but the last encounter that we have with other people tend to get stuck, if it's not replaced with new ones, and more positive ones... I believe that this is a general human tendency... but again... Ian doesn't have to be perfect... I'm not... and if things get a little rough between people, I believe that we, or they, should quickly add a lot of positivity... I hope the best for you, Geostrehl. I think that it's great that you're on The Jethro Tull forum, and I'm looking forward to reading your future posts. By the way... I wrote this the other day: "You are implying that I left something out for a reason... What makes you so sure about that?" I think that is a fair question, considering that you wrote: "If you don't mind me asking, what did you ask him? I'm sure that you left this out for a reason, so pardon my forwardness." The thing is that nobody can be sure about something like that, unless it is backed up by clear evidence... There is no evidence that I have left anything out for a reason, and that's why I'm asking you... I am not mad, and I am not shouting... Please read everything I write in a positive and non aggressive manner... I believe that you read it in an aggressive manner, but of course, I may be wrong... When you follow it up by writing this: "Woah woah woah. I was just observing that you left said details out. I figured that perhaps the details were private and you didn't want to share, so I was apologizing for being so bold as to ask you what was actually said. rredmond is correct. Maybe I should've chosen my words with more care. Again, I apologize." It's very hard to believe that you read it in a positive manner... I can assure you that it was not meant in an aggressive way. No need to apologize though... Back to Ian... I think that Ian has a tendency to handle some situations very badly, but if I'm being honest, and really try to look back on my own life, and how I've handled some things in my life, I will have to say that he's not alone... When Ian fires people that we have come to love and respect, he almost always does it in a way that makes him appear to be cold and condescending... If the stories are correct, that is... He could do better than that... (If the stories are correct...) but there's a lot going on between band members that we don't know anything about... Who knows... Maybe we wouldn't like them if we really knew them... Maybe some of them are hideous to the core...
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 3, 2017 9:49:00 GMT
My guess is that a thread like this can get very dicey if we aren't careful. Interesting, but too easy to take things the wrong way. Hey look my login for that other board still works. Who'd'a thunk! Yes you are correct - things can, and will, get bitter and twisted and we'll all be on judge judy As far as I'm concerned and until a definitive autobiography is written we'll have to go by the interviews in AND and the other books about the band.
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Post by JTull 007 on Jan 3, 2017 11:57:10 GMT
My guess is that a thread like this can get very dicey if we aren't careful. Interesting, but too easy to take things the wrong way. Hey look my login for that other board still works. Who'd'a thunk! Yes you are correct - things can, and will, get bitter and twisted and we'll all be on judge judy As far as I'm concerned and until a definitive autobiography is written we'll have to go by the interviews in AND and the other books about the band. Well said. This topic has lots of room for misinterpretation and personal beliefs. When anyone became a TULL Fan in the past, I'm sure we all wanted it to be just like THE Beatles or whomever. That never happened and thank the Lord we are here today talking about what is happening now instead.
As far as some other 'Chat' groups, there is a whole lot of misinformation. Equus (Michael) had a personal experience. Ian may never speak to anyone after a gig if he gets tired and has other things on his mind. He's human. Possibly the question asked was not understood clearly in an area with other people present.
1968 to 2017... Who would ever have believed it ?
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 3, 2017 18:24:31 GMT
I can fully understand the emotion invested in loving a band or musician but I can never understand how something that the musician or band does ( if true) could cause any impact on the enjoyment that I get from the music. I sometimes think that Ian could be a bit less grumpy and withdrawn at times but then I think of Fish who in my opinion - bless him, wears his heart on his sleeve and is a prolific poster on various pages ( lovely bloke and knew him personally) but then I think that I would rather have Ian's more "formal" approach. Personally, just like you, I love the music and my appreciation of it is exclusive from personnel changes, discord from within, past member quotes and the like. IA doesn't have to be of a certain perceived character to a fan. The music is and should be considered exclusive of the actual person. His private life is such. It would seem, obviously in Barlow's case that he found out there was a huge disparity of salary between what he was making and what John Glascock was making such that there was no money to pay Glascock's funeral expenses so Barlow paid it himself after talking to IA about his feelings, didn't like the reaction he got and then decided to leave the band, further being of the notion he didn't want to listen anymore to the recordings for many years. That's a completely different perspective than a fan appreciating the music exclusive of anything else and there's no rumor or gossipy inferences to be had because Barlow was there and shared his own truths. I met Ian on the Passion Play tour and spent over an hour with him. He was really nice to me. I believe I documented this encounter a while back here so no need to rehash it other than I've never forgoten how articulate, polite and softspoken he was to me, then a 17 year old kid (albeit with manners). I've had brief moments three times since and they were quick and over. The last one was as he was being driven away after "Thick As A Brick 2" He stopped and signed autographs from the passenger seat. He signed for my son then looked at me in line like "ok, come on" and I stayed back and told him he'd already signed my CD sleeve and I'd rather give someone else their time. I said it was great to see him again, and he half smiled like he was thinking I was considerate possibly and said nothing. My son walked back from the car and we left. It is surely very tiring for Ian being beseiged by everyone who wants something after a show. He keeps his distance but he does do something for people.
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Post by stevep on Jan 3, 2017 21:44:15 GMT
There is some detailed information about John Evans, David Palmer and Barrie Barlow leaving in the Jethro Tull 40th anniversary video. Each of the three band members gives their side of the story and Dave Pegg and Martin Barre also talk about the band relations over the period up to their leaving. The same video also gives information on Glen Cornicks departure from the band.
This video is well worth watching for any Tull fans that have not seen it. While the departures from the band have not been managed very well, it is interesting to see that the old band members speak highly of IA when summarising their time with JT.
My thoughts are that IA has long treated Tull as a business and not a band of friends out playing music. He has changed things in the band when he has thought it necessary to do so. Many of us fans do not like these changes (I would love to see the old IA/MB/JE/PEGG/PALMER/BB line up together again) but it has probably resulted in IA and Jethro Tull music continuing longer then we might have expected.
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Post by geostrehl on Jan 3, 2017 21:46:24 GMT
I can fully understand the emotion invested in loving a band or musician but I can never understand how something that the musician or band does ( if true) could cause any impact on the enjoyment that I get from the music. I sometimes think that Ian could be a bit less grumpy and withdrawn at times but then I think of Fish who in my opinion - bless him, wears his heart on his sleeve and is a prolific poster on various pages ( lovely bloke and knew him personally) but then I think that I would rather have Ian's more "formal" approach. Personally, just like you, I love the music and my appreciation of it is exclusive from personnel changes, discord from within, past member quotes and the like. IA doesn't have to be of a certain perceived character to a fan. The music is and should be considered exclusive of the actual person. His private life is such. It would seem, obviously in Barlow's case that he found out there was a huge disparity of salary between what he was making and what John Glascock was making such that there was no money to pay Glascock's funeral expenses so Barlow paid it himself after talking to IA about his feelings, didn't like the reaction he got and then decided to leave the band, further being of the notion he didn't want to listen anymore to the recordings for many years. That's a completely different perspective than a fan appreciating the music exclusive of anything else and there's no rumor or gossipy inferences to be had because Barlow was there and shared his own truths. I met Ian on the Passion Play tour and spent over an hour with him. He was really nice to me. I believe I documented this encounter a while back here so no need to rehash it other than I've never forgoten how articulate, polite and softspoken he was to me, then a 17 year old kid (albeit with manners). I've had brief moments three times since and they were quick and over. The last one was as he was being driven away after "Thick As A Brick 2" He stopped and signed autographs from the passenger seat. He signed for my son then looked at me in line like "ok, come on" and I stayed back and told him he'd already signed my CD sleeve and I'd rather give someone else their time. I said it was great to see him again, and he half smiled like he was thinking I was considerate possibly and said nothing. My son walked back from the car and we left. It is surely very tiring for Ian being beseiged by everyone who wants something after a show. He keeps his distance but he does do something for people. Ian ran from me last time. I probably shouldn't have been standing outside his living room window in nothing but my socks. That's where the inspiration for "Wicked Windows" came from. I joke, I joke!
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 3, 2017 21:58:55 GMT
I can fully understand the emotion invested in loving a band or musician but I can never understand how something that the musician or band does ( if true) could cause any impact on the enjoyment that I get from the music. I sometimes think that Ian could be a bit less grumpy and withdrawn at times but then I think of Fish who in my opinion - bless him, wears his heart on his sleeve and is a prolific poster on various pages ( lovely bloke and knew him personally) but then I think that I would rather have Ian's more "formal" approach. Personally, just like you, I love the music and my appreciation of it is exclusive from personnel changes, discord from within, past member quotes and the like. IA doesn't have to be of a certain perceived character to a fan. The music is and should be considered exclusive of the actual person. His private life is such. It would seem, obviously in Barlow's case that he found out there was a huge disparity of salary between what he was making and what John Glascock was making such that there was no money to pay Glascock's funeral expenses so Barlow paid it himself after talking to IA about his feelings, didn't like the reaction he got and then decided to leave the band, further being of the notion he didn't want to listen anymore to the recordings for many years. That's a completely different perspective than a fan appreciating the music exclusive of anything else and there's no rumor or gossipy inferences to be had because Barlow was there and shared his own truths. I met Ian on the Passion Play tour and spent over an hour with him. He was really nice to me. I believe I documented this encounter a while back here so no need to rehash it other than I've never forgoten how articulate, polite and softspoken he was to me, then a 17 year old kid (albeit with manners). I've had brief moments three times since and they were quick and over. The last one was as he was being driven away after "Thick As A Brick 2" He stopped and signed autographs from the passenger seat. He signed for my son then looked at me in line like "ok, come on" and I stayed back and told him he'd already signed my CD sleeve and I'd rather give someone else their time. I said it was great to see him again, and he half smiled like he was thinking I was considerate possibly and said nothing. My son walked back from the car and we left. It is surely very tiring for Ian being beseiged by everyone who wants something after a show. He keeps his distance but he does do something for people. Thanks for your reply atomicsynth. I've heard about this over the years and toying with my post to you about keeping the musician and the "politics of the band" a separate issue, I do see how it could be an interesting snippet ( if any part of it is true) of Tull history. The band changes and the personnel are a huge part of the Tull story. Does anyone know for certain that that was the reason that Barlow left the band? Why was it assumed that Anderson should have paid for Glascock's funeral? I have to add too and from personal experience, emotions do run very high in bands both musically and emotionally.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 3, 2017 22:02:01 GMT
Ian ran from me last time. I probably shouldn't have been standing outside his living room window in nothing but my socks. That's where the inspiration for "Wicked Windows" came from. I joke, I joke! Hahah don't worry your in good company here in fact there's a thread called " How Long Before The Restraining Order Is Over"
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 3, 2017 22:10:35 GMT
There is some detailed information about John Evans, David Palmer and Barrie Barlow leaving in the Jethro Tull 40th anniversary video. Each of the three band members gives their side of the story and Dave Pegg and Martin Barre also talk about the band relations over the period up to their leaving. The same video also gives information on Glen Cornicks departure from the band. This video is well worth watching for any Tull fans that have not seen it. While the departures from the band have not been managed very well, it is interesting to see that the old band members speak highly of IA when summarising their time with JT. My thoughts are that IA has long treated Tull as a business and not a band of friends out playing music. He has changed things in the band when he has thought it necessary to do so. Many of us fans do not like these changes (I would love to see the old IA/MB/JE/PEGG/PALMER/BB line up together again) but it has probably resulted in IA and Jethro Tull music continuing longer then we might have expected. Which also brings up the old " better the numerous band changes rather than the demise of the band altogether" point. To me Tull is Ian first and foremost with the additions ( along the way) of some brilliant musicians. Haven't a clue how easy he is/was to play with however given that most of them speak highly of him as a musician then maybe they appreciated his attributes while they were with him. Has any band in the history of bands ever been the true sum of it's members?
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Post by stevep on Jan 3, 2017 22:33:56 GMT
"Has any band in the history of bands ever been the true sum of it's members"?
I doubt it though I guess the Stones might be one of those band that comes close. I read in a review that Jagger and Richards cannot stand to be in the same room together when recording and yet all these years later they are still working away on tour, The Stones members have not really changed much over their many decades and I struggle to think of a band that has remained with the same basic line-up for so long.
Regards Barlow's departure from JT, BB is still visibly very upset when he talks about John Glascocks death in the 40 year anniversary video. I will look at it again to see whether he mentions leaving over the money (though I do not recall this). He does say that he talked to IA about leaving and IA mentions that Barry may have thought he needed to quit before he was pushed. John Evans mentioned that he, Barry and David Palmer all got "Dear John" letters from the company saying they were no longer with the band. That part of the video does not show JT management in a very good light at all...
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 3, 2017 22:38:47 GMT
May be of some interest to throw this into the thread. Ian's thoughts on Don Van Vliet aka Captain Beefheart. Interview June 6th 2013 " Beefheart was a bit of a dangerous guy. I did know Don Van Vliet quite well during 1972/73 and he was not a very nice man. He was pretty cruel to his musicians, which was pretty hard for them to take because they didn’t have a great opinion of him as a human being, nor as a musician. Don had no musical talent whatsoever, he simply employed other people to translate his maniacal ravings, musically speaking, into something that had a bit of order and discipline. Lyrically, however, Don did have a great talent and was a vivid painter – literally of course as a pictorial artist in that kind of abstract expressionist style. But he also employed that abstract expressionism in his lyric writing, and that makes him special and very worthwhile in spite of the fact he didn’t leave behind him a group of happy or respectful musicians. It’s rather sad that he was a bully....." continued thequietus.com/articles/12471-ian-anderson-jethro-tull-favourite-albums?page=5
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