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Post by geostrehl on Nov 21, 2016 18:00:35 GMT
Could someone give me a list of the songs that Ian plays bass on? I know he did a bunch on Stormwatch, but I'd love a list of songs that he plays bass on. I'm working on a study of the different bassists' individual styles and what they brought to their respective songs. I just haven't gotten to Stormwatch yet. Any other tunes that he plays bass on? I know he does everything in Jack in the Green from SFTW. Any help would be appreciated! -Thanks!
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 22, 2016 19:27:59 GMT
Secret Language of Birds Album probably has a lot of Ian on Bass. There are people who think Ian probably grabbed the bass a lot of times in the studio in the Jeffery Hammond-Hammond years. Those details can never be known.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 23, 2016 8:39:17 GMT
Secret Language of Birds Album probably has a lot of Ian on Bass. There are people who think Ian probably grabbed the bass a lot of times in the studio in the Jeffery Hammond-Hammond years. Those details can never be known. I don't know how genuine the claim is but it's been alleged that IA played all the instruments on Loco Breath. Anyone know any more ?
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 23, 2016 17:29:10 GMT
Though it really doesn't matter...and Jefferey HH was an indispensible, important part of Tull in so many ways...and clear that he was more than adequate playing bass in live performance, I think Ian and Martin may have played bass in the studio to near Milli Vanilli amounts....There are so many bass passages in APP, like in Overseer overture, where the bass is attacked in a very similar manner to the parts on Stormwatch where Ian is credited as playing bass. Who knows how often Ian got fed up in the studio, trying to explain exactly what he wanted to one of his bandmates, and just grabbed the instrument and recorded?
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 23, 2016 17:30:19 GMT
I know for a fact that Ian played tambourine on Locomotive Breath....and Rover.
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Post by geostrehl on Nov 23, 2016 19:12:32 GMT
Thanks guys. Ian never ceases to amaze. While he may not be a master guitarist, he is undoubtedly one of the most melodic songwriters out there. You could pick out the guitar melody in... say... "Heavy Metals" from Homo Erraticus and do it with brass. It'd be great. His guitar work translates onto other instruments and 99.99% still works! It's great! I suspect that much of the bass work during the Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond years was actually Ian. Often, the bass will harmonize with the flute work or guitar lines in the same way that Ian's flute does currently. Some of the countermelodies resemble alternate vocal lines that Ian could've (and probably tried to) sing. Look at "Two Fingers" on Warchild. Listen to the bass. It's walking. Eh, sprinting is more accurate! The same note is barely played twice in a row! Seriously, take a close listen to the bass on "Two Fingers". Either that is Ian, or Jeffrey learned Ian's lines very quickly. Just a few years before, Glenn was still around. His bass lines sound nothing like Ian would've ever written. Fast forward to John Glasscock. His bass lines are nothing like Ian would write. He really approached the bass like a serious, dedicated bassist would. But deal old Jeffrey, well, that sounds like Ian. He moves and transitions the same way that Ian does on the flute. Thoughts? See, that's why I'm trying to find all of the songs that Ian is confirmed as being the bass player. I'm trying to compare very closely.
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Post by geostrehl on Nov 23, 2016 19:16:01 GMT
Oh, and I also have a suspicion that Ian changed things after the other band members went home. McCartney used to do this, especially during the recording of Abbey Road. The guys would lay down the tracks, say "alright", and go home... except for Paul. He'd redo George and John's parts (and sometimes even Ringo). He wouldn't credit himself or tell them what he did. They'd come in the next day and listen back to the recording and say "wow, I played really nicely yesterday!" I bet Ian changed things "after hours". Man, I wish he'd release an autobiography 9999999 pages long. I'd love every word.
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 23, 2016 20:27:51 GMT
I very agree with your last two posts. Jeffery along for the ride more than an actual rock and roll musician is probably a topic close to the center of the real Tull story. Thions is, during Tull's peak, Jeffery was often mentioned in best 'bass' polls. Just goes to show.....something.
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Post by geostrehl on Nov 23, 2016 21:28:13 GMT
I very agree with your last two posts. Jeffery along for the ride more than an actual rock and roll musician is probably a topic close to the center of the real Tull story. Thions is, during Tull's peak, Jeffery was often mentioned in best 'bass' polls. Just goes to show.....something. Yes, indeed! Could Ian, in fact, be one of rock's greatest bassists? ? Regardless, Jeffrey scores huge points for me because even if he didn't write all of those bass lines, he still played them live with note-for-note accuracy. That takes some serious skill!
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Post by jackinthegreen on Nov 23, 2016 22:46:54 GMT
I very agree with your last two posts. Jeffery along for the ride more than an actual rock and roll musician is probably a topic close to the center of the real Tull story. Thions is, during Tull's peak, Jeffery was often mentioned in best 'bass' polls. Just goes to show.....something. Yes, indeed! Could Ian, in fact, be one of rock's greatest bassists? ? Regardless, Jeffrey scores huge points for me because even if he didn't write all of those bass lines, he still played them live with note-for-note accuracy. That takes some serious skill! But did he....... ...the Paris 75 footage of Minstrel in the Gallery seems to show he is miming.........
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 24, 2016 16:39:25 GMT
Wow, really? Bass lines played on a tape....could that be controlled by synthesizers and samples in 1975? Tell more ! A talented roadie playing backstage?
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 24, 2016 16:41:18 GMT
Makes me wonder if Jeffrey HH secrets are the reason we have so little live footage of that era. Who knows if wonderful videos of 72-76 are supressed because Tull had a secret ?
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Post by geostrehl on Nov 25, 2016 3:32:17 GMT
Makes me wonder if Jeffrey HH secrets are the reason we have so little live footage of that era. Who knows if wonderful videos of 72-76 are supressed because Tull had a secret ? He wasn't miming in the videos. The videos are poorly synced. It's also possible that the audio was from a different concert than the video. Most of it matches up, but to be fair, Tull were very VERY consistent from night to night. Regardless, there are some scenes where you hear bass but see Jeffrey with his hands off of the bass or whatever, but the vast majority of the footage is dead accurate. There are scenes from the Living With The Past DVD where Martin Barre's hands don't match the music... poor audio/video sync job done in post production... that's all. Jeffrey wasn't a musician, but he could reproduce the same series of notes with near-perfect precision from night to night. Watch the Minstrel in the Gallery 1975 footage... it's undoubtedly him. I think there's a scene where you hear the bass in the chorus and it shows Jeffrey holding a towel or something. Just a bad sync. Also, listen to some of the Tull bootlegs from the era... the bass changes from night to night. Totally not a recording. I think Jackinthegreen was making a joke and not being serious, but I wanted to state that Jeffrey is, in fact, playing live. Check out TullTapes Warchild tour footage.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 25, 2016 8:37:40 GMT
Makes me wonder if Jeffrey HH secrets are the reason we have so little live footage of that era. Who knows if wonderful videos of 72-76 are supressed because Tull had a secret ? He wasn't miming in the videos. The videos are poorly synced. It's also possible that the audio was from a different concert than the video. Most of it matches up, but to be fair, Tull were very VERY consistent from night to night. Regardless, there are some scenes where you hear bass but see Jeffrey with his hands off of the bass or whatever, but the vast majority of the footage is dead accurate. There are scenes from the Living With The Past DVD where Martin Barre's hands don't match the music... poor audio/video sync job done in post production... that's all. Jeffrey wasn't a musician, but he could reproduce the same series of notes with near-perfect precision from night to night. Watch the Minstrel in the Gallery 1975 footage... it's undoubtedly him. I think there's a scene where you hear the bass in the chorus and it shows Jeffrey holding a towel or something. Just a bad sync. Also, listen to some of the Tull bootlegs from the era... the bass changes from night to night. Totally not a recording. I think Jackinthegreen was making a joke and not being serious, but I wanted to state that Jeffrey is, in fact, playing live. Check out TullTapes Warchild tour footage. Yes I think that the above is a fair assumption geostrehl, at least for the "in concert recordings". I would still guess that IA "tinkered about" with many tracks, including the bass parts, after the rest of the band went home. Alas we'll never know for sure except for the bass parts on Stormwatch that JG wasn't able to lay down on tape.
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 25, 2016 16:40:24 GMT
Yeah...I guess imagining Jeffrey not playing live is a bit far-fetched...but still, I have a weird, unprovable intuition that something about Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond's incongruous foray into the world of rock and roll has something to do with lack of live stuff from that era. Tull were HUGE...you can't convince me that cameras were not pointed and rolling a lot.
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