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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 8, 2015 11:16:41 GMT
A scholarly or indeed geeky approach to the new Opera may come in handy for those of us who like to while away a few hours on understanding Mr A's work. As stated previously there's more to the original Mr Tull's story than "man who invented seed-drill and revolutionised agriculture." There was a life before he sat down at the kitchen table and designed the said seed drill. Details of Jethro's childhood are scant and only to be found in references he made himself in some of his technical books. There is much confusion surrounding his place of birth and residence as a child. Records of his parents show that either Mr Tull senior married twice or was a bigamist or indeed there were two separate Tull families living in that area at the time. However junior Jethro was born and lived fairly comfortably on an estate in either Basildon or a bit further south in Bradfield, Berkshire near the Wiltshire border either in or around the wonderfully named villages of Tutts Clump or Rottenrow. He had a sister called Dorothy who died young. There may be heirs on Jethro's side as he appeared to have had children might be worth a bit of research for the purposes of tracing and asking what they think of their ancestors name more commonly known now as a rock band. Basildon Estate,Tate.org ( not sure if this is where the Tull family resided however it shows the kind of house the gentry lived in at the time as opposed to the hovels where the rest of us seed- throwing minions might have lived) i61.images obliterated by tinypic/23r0rp5.png[/IMG] could even be Mr Tull himself demonstrating.
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Post by ash on Mar 8, 2015 12:40:02 GMT
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 8, 2015 13:07:55 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 10, 2015 9:03:51 GMT
Your homework for the weekend. Ms Rabbit will be asking questions next Monday www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/tull_jethro.shtmlJethro Tull (1674 - 1741)Tull was an agricultural pioneer and the inventor of the seed drill, a major development in the agricultural revolution. Jethro Tull was born in 1674 into a family of Berkshire gentry. He studied at Oxford University and Gray's Inn in preparation for a legal and political career, but ill health postponed these plans and, after his marriage in 1699, he began farming with his father. At the time, seeds were distributed into furrows ('drilling') by hand. Tull had noticed that traditional heavy sowing densities were not very efficient, so he instructed his staff to drill at very precise, low densities. By 1701, his frustration with their lack of cooperation prompted him to invent a machine to do the work for him. He designed his drill with a rotating cylinder. Grooves were cut into the cylinder to allow seed to pass from the hopper above to a funnel below. They were then directed into a channel dug by a plough at the front of the machine, then immediately covered by a harrow attached to the rear. This limited the wastage of seeding and made the crop easier to weed. Initially the machine was only a limited success. In 1709, he moved to Prosperous Farm in Hungerford, and two years later decided to travel around Europe to improve his health and study agricultural techniques there. Upon his return in 1714, he perfected both his system and machinery. He pulverised the earth between the rows, believing that this released nutrients would act as a substitute for manure. While apparently successful - he grew wheat in the same field for 13 successive years without manuring - it is more likely that he merely prevented weeds from overcrowding and competing with the seed. Tull's other innovations included a plough with blades set in such a way that grass and roots were pulled up and left on the surface to dry. Eventually, as agricultural improvement became fashionable, more interest began to be taken in Tull's ideas. In 1731, he published his book, 'The New Horse Hoeing Husbandry', detailing his system and its machinery. It caused great controversy at the time, and arguments continued for another century before his eventual vindication. While several other mechanical seed drills had also been invented, Tull's complete system was a major influence on the agricultural revolution and its impact can still be seen in today's methods and machinery. Tull died on 21 February 1741.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 14:37:15 GMT
Homework? Now I'm definitely AWOL.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 10, 2015 14:49:31 GMT
Homework? Now I'm definitely AWOL. No homework for you TT - for the Maddog? Plenty
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 10, 2015 15:01:53 GMT
"Had you been paying attention at some of my previous posts, Mr Maddogfagin if you had you would have learnt that the bog standard pieces written about the aforementioned inventor of the seed-drill are not entirely accurate and henceforth the reason for my in-depth look into the story of Mr Tull. If you require further clarification then please drop me a letter or not." i58.images obliterated by tinypic/idbtw4.jpg[/IMG]
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 10, 2015 16:40:14 GMT
Homework? Now I'm definitely AWOL. No homework for you TT - for the Maddog? Plenty I can sense a sick note being written
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 17:14:54 GMT
Hey man, what's the plan, what was that you said? No homework for you TT - for the Maddog? Plenty I can sense a sick note being written Never too old to cheat...
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 11, 2015 15:44:00 GMT
Build your own seed drill (Ikea perhaps ?)
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 11, 2015 16:09:39 GMT
How many of the small round screws do you need? They didn't include them in the box.
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Post by bassackwards on Mar 11, 2015 19:15:42 GMT
Build your own seed drill (Ikea perhaps ?) Can't be Ikea, Dog, won't work in the rocky Danish soil.
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 12, 2015 17:12:33 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 13, 2015 17:09:25 GMT
From biography.yourdictionary.com/jethro-tullTull was born to Jethro and Dorothy Tull, in Basildon, Berkshire, England, and baptized there on March 30, 1674. He grew up on a country estate. At the age of 17, he went to Oxford to study at St. John's College, but he left before graduating. While a student in London, Tull became a musician. He learned how to play the organ and understood how it operated mechanically—knowledge he would later apply to his seed-drill invention. In 1693 he became a law student at Gray's Inn and also studied for two years at Staple Inn. Tull qualified as a barrister in 1699, although he never practiced law. He had hoped to use his understanding of the legal system in government service, but ill health changed the course of his professional life.From www.victorianweb.org/art/architecture/london/16.htmlStaple Inn. High Holborn, London WC2. The following appears carved on the right-hand wall (as one enters the interior court): "Erected 1545-1589 by Vincent Enghame and Another. The rear elevation was cased in brick in 1826. The front after various alterations was restored to its original design in 1886. The entire building was reconstructed in 1937, the old front being retained." It was also restored after World War II damage. Now occupied by the Institute of Actuaries, Staple Inn was one of the Inns of Chancery until the 1880s. Then the Patent Office bought part of it in 1884, and the Prudential bought the rest in 1886 and restored it (Weinreb, London Encyclopaedia). Although definitely a part of Victorian legal London, Staple Inn was not actually one of the Inns of Court. Photograph by George P. Landow, 2009. Text by GPL and Jacqueline Banerjee.
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 18, 2015 10:24:47 GMT
Can't say for certain if this is an actual line drawing of Mr J. Tull Esq., gentleman farmer. ebay link
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 22, 2015 18:07:30 GMT
Quite a knowlegable treatise about part of the Tull family www.midgham.com/html/button_court.htmHISTORY OF BUTTON COURT FARM (Formerly the ancestral home of the famous agricultural Tull family) "During the 16th century the Tull family of Midgham certainly owned the freehold of the farm and continued to own it until the middle of the 18th century. Button Court is mentioned on the will of Richard Tull {Yeoman} dated 1591 where it states that he owned the tenement in Midgham known as Button Green, as well as another tenement in Northbrook Street Newbury. There is also a possibility that this same Richard Tull may also have owned Button in 1547 as Colthrop Court Rolls record that at that a Richard Tull held a meadow on Midgham Marsh and being on the east side of Aldershot Water. This meadow was again mentioned on the Midgham enclosure map of 1812, when it stated that it belonged to the Button Court Estate."
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 22, 2015 20:29:02 GMT
Very good but I thought the house might have been bigger than that but then what do I know about the finances of the designer of the seed drill?
Anyone know of any descendants?
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 23, 2015 10:10:23 GMT
The seed drill mechanism explained - how to build your own in time for ploughing season
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 23, 2015 10:28:48 GMT
Very good but I thought the house might have been bigger than that but then what do I know about the finances of the designer of the seed drill? Anyone know of any descendants? Tull appears to be a popular surname in North America and Canada so it's more than likely that many descendants emigrated perhaps ?
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Post by futureshock on Mar 24, 2015 2:24:42 GMT
MARKETING: If there is ever a confirmation that there will be a CD release based on the "Jethro Tull Opera" concept, maybe fans could promote the disk to the farming community and any other related (permaculture, community gardens, general green energy, energy efficiency, organic foods, health care, self-help, etc) instead of just the music listening public as usual. Isn't it a natural association?
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 24, 2015 10:09:44 GMT
MARKETING: If there is ever a confirmation that there will be a CD release based on the "Jethro Tull Opera" concept, maybe fans could promote the disk to the farming community and any other related (permaculture, community gardens, general green energy, energy efficiency, organic foods, health care, self-help, etc) instead of just the music listening public as usual. Isn't it a natural association? Been in touch with Old Farmer MacDonald (he had a farm you know - ee aye ee aye oh). He's not into all that GM crop malarky preferring the old ways with tons of manure, seed drilling, 14 hour days toiling in the fields (sometimes by moonlight), whistling a merry tune and wearing rustic clothing much favoured by the landed gentry.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 24, 2015 14:59:32 GMT
MARKETING: If there is ever a confirmation that there will be a CD release based on the "Jethro Tull Opera" concept, maybe fans could promote the disk to the farming community and any other related (permaculture, community gardens, general green energy, energy efficiency, organic foods, health care, self-help, etc) instead of just the music listening public as usual. Isn't it a natural association? According to this article in Rolling Stone ... "..The life of a musician is known for its excesses. But the abuse stars do to their bodies doesn't even compare to the toll that recording, releasing and performing music takes on the environment: Just one stadium show might produce as much as 1,000 tons of carbon dioxide.." www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/the-15-most-eco-friendly-rockers-20101216
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 19:12:42 GMT
Dark, Satanic Mills in a Green and Pleasant LandGreat Events in British History: A Beginner’s Guide to the Industrial Revolution - March 23, 2015 Key figures Jethro Tull – invented the seed drill and other mechanised agricultural tools Abraham Darby – invented a process of smelting iron ore using coke Thomas Newcomen – invented the first steam engine, used for pumping water James Watt – refined Newcomen’s steam engine, adding a condenser Matthew Boulton – business partner of James Watt William Murdoch – contributions to steam engine, locomotion and gas lighting John Kay – inventor of the flying shuttle, making looms far more efficient James Hargreaves – weaver who invented the spinning jenny, making spinning more efficient Richard Arkwright – built the first mechanised mill to house his water powered spinning frame Samuel Crompton –created the spinning mule, further improving the weaving process Thomas Telford – inspirational civil engineer responsible for roads, canals and bridges John Macadam – created a new road surfacing technique – tarmac
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Post by onewhiteduck on Mar 24, 2015 20:13:53 GMT
The first full-scale working railway steam locomotive was built by Richard Trevithick in the United Kingdom and, on 21 February 1804, the world's first railway journey took place as Trevithick's unnamed steam locomotive hauled a train along the tramway from the Pen-y-darren ironworks, near Merthyr Tydfil, to Abercynon in South Wales
Locomotive Breath was born a few miles away in Merthyr.
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 25, 2015 10:00:39 GMT
Dark, Satanic Mills in a Green and Pleasant LandGreat Events in British History: A Beginner’s Guide to the Industrial Revolution - March 23, 2015 Key figures Jethro Tull – invented the seed drill and other mechanised agricultural tools Abraham Darby – invented a process of smelting iron ore using coke Thomas Newcomen – invented the first steam engine, used for pumping water James Watt – refined Newcomen’s steam engine, adding a condenser Matthew Boulton – business partner of James Watt William Murdoch – contributions to steam engine, locomotion and gas lighting John Kay – inventor of the flying shuttle, making looms far more efficient James Hargreaves – weaver who invented the spinning jenny, making spinning more efficient Richard Arkwright – built the first mechanised mill to house his water powered spinning frame Samuel Crompton –created the spinning mule, further improving the weaving process Thomas Telford – inspirational civil engineer responsible for roads, canals and bridges John Macadam – created a new road surfacing technique – tarmac And let us not overlook the valuable work done by Charles Townshend, 2nd Viscount Townshend Bt, KG, PC (18 April 1674 – 21 June 1738) better known to his contemporaries and history scholars alike as "Turnip Townshend". A contemporary of Mr J. Tull of Basildon, he popularised the idea of crop rotation using mainly turnips and as his wikipedia entry states "His remaining years were passed at Raynham, where he interested himself in agriculture and was responsible for introducing into England the cultivation of turnips on a large scale and for other improvements of the kind. He died at Raynham on 21 June 1738.
Townshend introduced to England the four-field crop rotation pioneered by farmers in the Waasland region in the early 18th century. He added the turnip and the clover to the traditional crop rotation and directed it to cover four individual fields. Wheat, barley, be planted in that order in each field. Year by year, the crops would be rotated around – moving up if they could, or going back down to the bottom if they were at the top. There was no need to let the soil lie fallow as Clover would re-add nitrates (Nitrogen-containing salts) back to the soil through the root nodules attached to them which harboured symbiotic bacteria. These bacteria feed from the atmospheric Nitrogen and in turn produce the nitrates. The clover and turnip were used to feed livestock while the Wheat and barley were mostly for export, with some being retained for domestic use.
As a result of this, and other agricultural experiments at Raynham, he became known as Turnip Townshend. Although a figure of some fun, his agricultural reforms were extremely important. However, Alexander Pope mentions him in Imitations of Horace, Epistle II, as a turnip obsessed person and says, in a note, that "that kind of rural improvement which arises from turnips" was Townshend's favorite conversational topic." www.elizabethhoyt.com/extras/research/revolution.phpSo the next time you have turnips in the kitchen how about a Israeli Moroccan Couscous allrecipes.com/Recipe/Israeli-Moroccan-Couscous/Detail.aspx?evt19=1&referringHubId=1326together with a nice refreshing glass of beer, of your choice, and drink the health of Turnip Townshend
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Post by onewhiteduck on Mar 25, 2015 10:38:55 GMT
Talking of turnips.
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Post by JTull 007 on Mar 25, 2015 15:10:07 GMT
:DLove it
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 25, 2015 15:44:53 GMT
See? Our favorties not the only ones named after industrial revolution prominents...Note 'John Kay'...alias for the east german refugee who started and sang for Steppenwolf !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 17:02:27 GMT
See? Our favorties not the only ones named after industrial revolution prominents...Note 'John Kay'...alias for the east german refugee who started and sang for Steppenwolf ! German-Canadian-American rock singer, we are honoured that John Kay rocked Canada. One of my early favourites. Mesmerized me when playing live. Steppenwolf - John Kay the rock opera - ALL RIGHT! OH GOD!
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 25, 2015 17:18:47 GMT
And he named 'Heavy metal thunder'.....an amazing, smart guy.
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