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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 12, 2017 13:46:09 GMT
Awesome! Do you recall cameras on or around the stage and/or the concert being multitracked? Following up again and a bit more thouorghly regarding your question, Argentull, I saw Tull in the 70's at two places in MD. The Baltimore Civic Center and The Capital Centre. Their earlier shows were at the Civic Center and they moved to the much larger Capital Centre (which opened in 73 as the band's popularity increased). The Civic Center (renamed but yet open) has less capacity than the huge Capital Centre did. The Centre was demolished in December 2002 after the Verizon Center(the current corporate sponsored name (per the current annoying trend of arena sponsorships) opened in 1997. DC wanted their basketball and hockey teams in DC. The Capital Centre fell to waste. (The reason I missed your initial question was at the time I hadn't learned the navigation means of the forum, showing past posts I'd made and when someone quoted me and continued the discourse. Since remedied since becoming more active here). Regarding the initials of the post, the member who paid $3 grand for that media, wow, I can't imagine nor would ever pay such an astronomical for concert footage, but to each... I've been wracking my brain somewhat trying to remember. I recall Ian's weird silly looking in retrospect blue outfit with the orange things on the shoulders and the more I think about it, I think I do remember feeling annoyed that cameramen were roaming and sometimes obscuring view, but all beyond vague as this was just so long ago. I had upper level seats (bad) and no view of the FOH sound area, per ypur question regarding multitracking. It wouls have likely been remote recorded anyway and no one then would have seen any 8 or 16 track tape nachines. But had you not asked, I never would have given it a thought. Capital Centre shows were always a pain as the Landover location caused huge backups on the Capital Beltway on show nights. (Baltimore was just easier). Just like Jiffy Lube live in VA is even a bigger pain which prompts me to always skip that venue for as much as I even go to arena concerts anymore. The two Tull shows I most recall was Passion Play in Baltimore and the "red bowler hat" show in Baltimore, finally floor seats for that one and a bit late irritatingly due to a bad snowstorm and my car getting stuck.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 12, 2017 17:52:03 GMT
The 1976 'Clown from Venus' clothes were pretty terrible.
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Post by argentull on Jan 13, 2017 15:26:52 GMT
Awesome! Do you recall cameras on or around the stage and/or the concert being multitracked? Following up again and a bit more thouorghly regarding your question, Argentull, I saw Tull in the 70's at two places in MD. The Baltimore Civic Center and The Capital Centre. Their earlier shows were at the Civic Center and they moved to the much larger Capital Centre (which opened in 73 as the band's popularity increased). The Civic Center (renamed but yet open) has less capacity than the huge Capital Centre did. The Centre was demolished in December 2002 after the Verizon Center(the current corporate sponsored name (per the current annoying trend of arena sponsorships) opened in 1997. DC wanted their basketball and hockey teams in DC. The Capital Centre fell to waste. (The reason I missed your initial question was at the time I hadn't learned the navigation means of the forum, showing past posts I'd made and when someone quoted me and continued the discourse. Since remedied since becoming more active here). Regarding the initials of the post, the member who paid $3 grand for that media, wow, I can't imagine nor would ever pay such an astronomical for concert footage, but to each... I've been wracking my brain somewhat trying to remember. I recall Ian's weird silly looking in retrospect blue outfit with the orange things on the shoulders and the more I think about it, I think I do remember feeling annoyed that cameramen were roaming and sometimes obscuring view, but all beyond vague as this was just so long ago. I had upper level seats (bad) and no view of the FOH sound area, per ypur question regarding multitracking. It wouls have likely been remote recorded anyway and no one then would have seen any 8 or 16 track tape nachines. But had you not asked, I never would have given it a thought. Capital Centre shows were always a pain as the Landover location caused huge backups on the Capital Beltway on show nights. (Baltimore was just easier). Just like Jiffy Lube live in VA is even a bigger pain which prompts me to always skip that venue for as much as I even go to arena concerts anymore. The two Tull shows I most recall was Passion Play in Baltimore and the "red bowler hat" show in Baltimore, finally floor seats for that one and a bit late irritatingly due to a bad snowstorm and my car getting stuck. Nice post! Thanks for the memory excercize! We know for certain that the show was professionally filmed. Becasue Jakko J said that he was working with multitracks and picture sinch for the SFTW release, I think there is a strong chance that we will get this hidden gem soon IF THE SHOW WAS ALSO MULTITRACKED. Your dream wouldcome true!
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 13, 2017 16:08:33 GMT
Following up again and a bit more thouorghly regarding your question, Argentull, I saw Tull in the 70's at two places in MD. The Baltimore Civic Center and The Capital Centre. Their earlier shows were at the Civic Center and they moved to the much larger Capital Centre (which opened in 73 as the band's popularity increased). The Civic Center (renamed but yet open) has less capacity than the huge Capital Centre did. The Centre was demolished in December 2002 after the Verizon Center(the current corporate sponsored name (per the current annoying trend of arena sponsorships) opened in 1997. DC wanted their basketball and hockey teams in DC. The Capital Centre fell to waste. (The reason I missed your initial question was at the time I hadn't learned the navigation means of the forum, showing past posts I'd made and when someone quoted me and continued the discourse. Since remedied since becoming more active here). Regarding the initials of the post, the member who paid $3 grand for that media, wow, I can't imagine nor would ever pay such an astronomical for concert footage, but to each... I've been wracking my brain somewhat trying to remember. I recall Ian's weird silly looking in retrospect blue outfit with the orange things on the shoulders and the more I think about it, I think I do remember feeling annoyed that cameramen were roaming and sometimes obscuring view, but all beyond vague as this was just so long ago. I had upper level seats (bad) and no view of the FOH sound area, per ypur question regarding multitracking. It wouls have likely been remote recorded anyway and no one then would have seen any 8 or 16 track tape nachines. But had you not asked, I never would have given it a thought. Capital Centre shows were always a pain as the Landover location caused huge backups on the Capital Beltway on show nights. (Baltimore was just easier). Just like Jiffy Lube live in VA is even a bigger pain which prompts me to always skip that venue for as much as I even go to arena concerts anymore. The two Tull shows I most recall was Passion Play in Baltimore and the "red bowler hat" show in Baltimore, finally floor seats for that one and a bit late irritatingly due to a bad snowstorm and my car getting stuck. Nice post! Thanks for the memory excercize! We know for certain that the show was professionally filmed. Becasue Jakko J said that he was working with multitracks and picture sinch for the SFTW release, I think there is a strong chance that we will get this hidden gem soon IF THE SHOW WAS ALSO MULTITRACKED. Your dream wouldcome true! twitter.com/JakkoJ
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Post by argentull on Jan 13, 2017 16:10:26 GMT
Nice post! Thanks for the memory excercize! We know for certain that the show was professionally filmed. Becasue Jakko J said that he was working with multitracks and picture sinch for the SFTW release, I think there is a strong chance that we will get this hidden gem soon IF THE SHOW WAS ALSO MULTITRACKED. Your dream wouldcome true! twitter.com/JakkoJUnfortunately, those were not Tull related tapes
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 13, 2017 16:23:23 GMT
Unfortunately, those were not Tull related tapes Unfortunate. But the good part is that tapes from that era can still be "oven baked" (if needed), transferred to digital via high powered and expensive computers and tweeked and remastered/remixed etc. Now if only someone can find the lost BBC tapes and the Candy Coloured Rain material from Abbey Road we'd be laughing
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Post by argentull on Jan 13, 2017 17:34:56 GMT
Unfortunately, those were not Tull related tapes Unfortunate. But the good part is that tapes from that era can still be "oven baked" (if needed), transferred to digital via high powered and expensive computers and tweeked and remastered/remixed etc. Now if only someone can find the lost BBC tapes and the Candy Coloured Rain material from Abbey Road we'd be laughing What do you mean with he lost BBC tapes and the Candy Coloured Rain material from Abbey Road? What tapes are those?
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 14, 2017 8:51:33 GMT
Unfortunate. But the good part is that tapes from that era can still be "oven baked" (if needed), transferred to digital via high powered and expensive computers and tweeked and remastered/remixed etc. Now if only someone can find the lost BBC tapes and the Candy Coloured Rain material from Abbey Road we'd be laughing What do you mean with he lost BBC tapes and the Candy Coloured Rain material from Abbey Road? What tapes are those? Right oh! Get coffee, memo pad and biro All can be found on the 3 pages of "The Holy Grail Thread" but in a nutshell: Video/film footage from TOTP with "Living In The Past" from 1969 and the footage from "Colour Me Pop", 1968. Pre Jethro Toe release of Sunshine Day. Sessions produced by Derek Lawrence at Abbey Road and a couple of other studios. Songs recorded were mainly covers - legend has it that "Green Tambourine" was recorded - but there were 3 or 4 Anderson compositions also attempted. The recordings were transferred to acetates, not tape, as was the usual practice with Derek Lawrence. I met Lawrence in 1992 while on security duty at Abbey Road where he was recording P.P. Arnold and he said that as far as he knew the acetates still existed but in some interviews he says they don't. We have to make our own minds up I suppose. Anyway, have a look through these 3 pages and I think you'll find some interesting stuff. Some facts may have been updated since the thread was started btw. jethrotull.proboards.com/post/2829/thread
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Post by argentull on Sept 3, 2017 22:40:44 GMT
Hello guys does anyone know of any advance in relation to the original subject of this thread (The Landover 76 footage?) Here´s som eexcellent 8mm synched footage from teh Tullavision tour www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZgqMO6dwhU
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Post by jethrotull on Sept 9, 2017 2:21:51 GMT
Even though the resolution of the footage isn't as great as that of the recently released 77 DVD I really like the view of the whole stage. There was so much action on stage at Tull concerts that you miss a lot (like blistering Martin Barre guitar solos) when the camera is focused so much on Ian. Would love to see the rest of this show!
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Post by argentull on Sept 9, 2017 21:12:01 GMT
One day the Landover 76 full show will see the light of the day. The only minus is that there probably isn´t a multitrack to accompain it.
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Post by argentull on Sept 10, 2017 13:54:28 GMT
Concerning the footage copyright and ownership, I was thinking that if Warners could not acquire the London Hippodrome 77 video, it could mean that IA would not own the Landover footage copyright. He has indeed posession over the 77 audio (which indeed was included partially in the 2003 SFTW remaster). A similar situation could apply for the Landover show, unfortunately. Anyone with copyright knowledge here?
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 10, 2017 14:53:18 GMT
Concerning the footage copyright and ownership, I was thinking that if Warners could not acquire the London Hippodrome 77 video, it could mean that IA would not own the Landover footage copyright. He has indeed posession over the 77 audio (which indeed was included partially in the 2003 SFTW remaster). A similar situation could apply for the Landover show, unfortunately. Anyone with copyright knowledge here? I asked one of the Chrysalis head honchos many years ago about the availability of any footage and he said it was a legal minefield with many outfits claiming to own the copyright and some footage which had deteriorated/degenerated over time. Even now, and unless footage is definitely owned by Ian Anderson or his group of companies, the ownership of any film is probably open to question which might even include footage which has already been "officially" released.
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Post by jethrotull on Sept 10, 2017 21:45:48 GMT
Regardless of who owns the rights to these films, it profits no one that they remain in the can deteriorating. How much can they be worth anyway? they're 40 years old and few people under about 50 years of age have even heard of the band. Every year they sit in the can they deteriorate more and less people will be interested in seeing them. I wish whoever owns them would just release them to the public domain, like You Tube instead of hoarding them thinking they will someday sell them for a small fortune.
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 11, 2017 7:28:12 GMT
Regardless of who owns the rights to these films, it profits no one that they remain in the can deteriorating. How much can they be worth anyway? they're 40 years old and few people under about 50 years of age have even heard of the band. Every year they sit in the can they deteriorate more and less people will be interested in seeing them. I wish whoever owns them would just release them to the public domain, like You Tube instead of hoarding them thinking they will someday sell them for a small fortune. I doubt it somehow. Too many people ranging from those in the business and those who would like to be in the business but are not, have their own agenda for such things. However we wait and see what will surface on any further special editions such as Heavy Horse and, hopefully, Stormwatch.
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Post by argentull on Sept 11, 2017 12:04:50 GMT
Regardless of who owns the rights to these films, it profits no one that they remain in the can deteriorating. How much can they be worth anyway? they're 40 years old and few people under about 50 years of age have even heard of the band. Every year they sit in the can they deteriorate more and less people will be interested in seeing them. I wish whoever owns them would just release them to the public domain, like You Tube instead of hoarding them thinking they will someday sell them for a small fortune. Collectors are greedy people. The guy that owns the full Fillmore 69 footage was contacted many times, last time when the Stand Up Elevated edition was being put together but refused to lend the footage. He also knew where to obtain the full Stockholm 69 video but refused to be of any help. Believe me, in his own words he will die before any of his many private JT videos sees the light of the day. Sad but true. The same thing can be said about these kinds of companies like Historic Films...I mean who on earth will pay thousands of dollars per footage minute? Not Warners, Sony, Universal, Eagle rock or any music record company in the music industry. Not even Bill Gates if it happened for him to be a JT fan...
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Post by argentull on Sept 11, 2017 12:08:46 GMT
Regardless of who owns the rights to these films, it profits no one that they remain in the can deteriorating. How much can they be worth anyway? they're 40 years old and few people under about 50 years of age have even heard of the band. Every year they sit in the can they deteriorate more and less people will be interested in seeing them. I wish whoever owns them would just release them to the public domain, like You Tube instead of hoarding them thinking they will someday sell them for a small fortune. I doubt it somehow. Too many people ranging from those in the business and those who would like to be in the business but are not, have their own agenda for such things. However we wait and see what will surface on any further special editions such as Heavy Horse and, hopefully, Stormwatch. For Stormwatch, I hope this time the BBC does not charge a lot of money for the Arena documentary. As I commented earlier on, teh Arena Dire Straits doc was released officially a while ago. And I also hope for the rest of the Portland and Seattle 79 footage to appear.
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Post by argentull on Dec 25, 2017 20:02:52 GMT
I can´t seem to stop posting here!
You might have noticed that The Doors are set to release their 1970 IOW footage on DVD/BR. I read that the footage was obtained from HIstoric Films, the same company that "owns" the Landover 76 footage of JT. It would be interesting to know the ammount of money and eventual legal issues that The Doors management had to go through to obtain those reels. I hope TullCentral is watching here, or that the usual friends from this board can forward the message...
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Post by steelmonkey on Dec 25, 2017 20:20:56 GMT
I love this thread. Goals are good !
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 26, 2017 8:36:55 GMT
I can´t seem to stop posting here! You might have noticed that The Doors are set to release their 1970 IOW footage on DVD/BR. I read that the footage was obtained from HIstoric Films, the same company that "owns" the Landover 76 footage of JT. It would be interesting to know the ammount of money and eventual legal issues that The Doors management had to go through to obtain those reels. I hope TullCentral is watching here, or that the usual friends from this board can forward the message... My views, and probably similar to most other Tull fans, is that if the footage still exists then 1. TullCentral do know about it 2. The copyright holder is holding out for a large amount of money as similar footage was known to exist in the nineties 3. A fan has it on VHS tape but is not telling anyone as it is more than likely it would have surfaced on youtube 4. The same old copyright hassles of old have surfaced yet again And if anyone from Tull Management are having a sly read of these pages _ www.historicfilms.com/search/?q=jethro+tull#p1
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Post by argentull on Dec 26, 2017 11:54:18 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts, maddog.
We have discussed this footage extensively now. Yes a guy (I think it was PaulHart on youtube) bought the footage and posted the Aqualung clip on youtube many years ago. I still don´t understand if he bought the clip or the entire performance. One thing that fan misses is that the Landover show does have the same set list as the rest of the US Tullavision 76 tour. Hence Taxi Grab is not there. What we only need is Tull Management to provide an answer on exactly why they have not been able to take over the original footage. Don´t they own the copyright? If not, is it a lack of interest from IA or is it a money issue?
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 27, 2017 9:20:04 GMT
I can´t seem to stop posting here! You might have noticed that The Doors are set to release their 1970 IOW footage on DVD/BR. I read that the footage was obtained from HIstoric Films, the same company that "owns" the Landover 76 footage of JT. It would be interesting to know the ammount of money and eventual legal issues that The Doors management had to go through to obtain those reels. I hope TullCentral is watching here, or that the usual friends from this board can forward the message... My views, and probably similar to most other Tull fans, is that if the footage still exists then 1. TullCentral do know about it 2. The copyright holder is holding out for a large amount of money as similar footage was known to exist in the nineties 3. A fan has it on VHS tape but is not telling anyone as it is more than likely it would have surfaced on youtube 4. The same old copyright hassles of old have surfaced yet again And if anyone from Tull Management are having a sly read of these pages _ www.historicfilms.com/search/?q=jethro+tull#p1Thanks for your thoughts, maddog. We have discussed this footage extensively now. Yes a guy (I think it was PaulHart on youtube) bought the footage and posted the Aqualung clip on youtube many years ago. I still don´t understand if he bought the clip or the entire performance. One thing that fan misses is that the Landover show does have the same set list as the rest of the US Tullavision 76 tour. Hence Taxi Grab is not there. What we only need is Tull Management to provide an answer on exactly why they have not been able to take over the original footage. Don´t they own the copyright? If not, is it a lack of interest from IA or is it a money issue? Since your last post argentull I'll been contacted by a friend of the Forum who has given me the OK to post the following: Graham . . . feel free to say that you have been advised by those in the know that your 1, 2 and 4 are correct. Warners did, of course, investigate including it on the TOTRNR reissue but it just wasn't feasible. The 1977 Landover film, included on the SFTW reissue, was in the Chrysalis archives and thus not subject to the same problems.However I still wouldn't put it past an "over the top so called fan" to have this footage in their possession, rather like an avid art collector who has a seldom seen Picasso hanging up on a wall purely for viewing by him/her self and bo11ox to everyone else.
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Post by argentull on Dec 27, 2017 12:04:57 GMT
Thanks for the cool post Graham. It´s good to read that Warners attemped to use the footage for TOTRR. The other problem with the footage is that there´s no multitracks to match it. I guess that means that it is difficult to see it released as a standalone piece. Can you ask if there aren´t indeed multitracks for this show?
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 28, 2017 8:31:13 GMT
Thanks for the cool post Graham. It´s good to read that Warners attemped to use the footage for TOTRR. The other problem with the footage is that there´s no multitracks to match it. I guess that means that it is difficult to see it released as a standalone piece. Can you ask if there aren´t indeed multitracks for this show? My inside source states the following: The answer is that, as described by Jakko J in the SFTW re-release book, multi-tracks for the 1977 Landover film were available and remixed to synch with the visuals. Whether 1976 multi-tracks exist is unfortunately not known.
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Post by argentull on Jan 7, 2018 12:55:41 GMT
Graham, maybe you can ask about Tanglewood 70 for the sake of completeness...
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 7, 2018 15:46:53 GMT
Graham, maybe you can ask about Tanglewood 70 for the sake of completeness... I have asked and I'll wait for a reply.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 8, 2018 8:38:02 GMT
Graham, maybe you can ask about Tanglewood 70 for the sake of completeness... I have asked and I'll wait for a reply. To paraphrase the reply: ". . . there have been no attempts to procure it officially, and no current plans to do so . . . copyright etc issues would also be problematical"
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Post by argentull on Jan 8, 2018 15:45:41 GMT
I have asked and I'll wait for a reply. To paraphrase the reply: ". . . there have been no attempts to procure it officially, and no current plans to do so . . . copyright etc issues would also be problematical" Thanks Graham
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