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Post by electrocutas on Sept 30, 2008 11:03:35 GMT
I received an email today which included this info.... I found a full 2-hour, pro-shot, multi-camera, synch-sound show of Jethro Tull from July 18, 1976 (in the Capitol Center in Landover, Maryland)... two weeks before the well-known Tampa TullaVision show on DVD. It's in a private archive house in New York.The Tampa TullaVision video is only 62 minutes. This one is almost 2-hours and includes a lot of stuff the Tampa show doesn't have... like Taxi Grab, Back Door Angels, Aqualung, Wind Up, Locomotive Breath, etc. There is a short clip on YOUTUBE. YouTube - RARE LIVE Jethro Tull "Aqualung" video footage 1976 Notice how much longer Ian's hair is in this footage than the Tampa show. Evidently, he got a hair cut shortly after this. This archive house FORBIDS anyone to post anything else from this show. I had to purchase a "viewing only" DVD with their logo and time code burned on the image. And it cost $3,000... with ZERO rights to share it with anyone. They are uninterested in having the general public see this concert... unless someone shells out $200,000 for distribution rights. :-(( Anyway, enjoy this RARE footage. This is historically important because this is the EARLIEST known pro-shot footage of Tull doing Aqualung. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNvnOfPhgocMe thinks someone is running a right rip off here or does Ian Anderson own a private archive house in New York ??
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 30, 2008 18:24:04 GMT
Interesting. Around the time in 1990 when we were in the process of organising the 2nd UK Tull Convention, there was mention made of a concert from the seventies (no date or venue mentioned as I can remember) which hadn't been seen or put on public display so to speak. The reason I remember this is that we hoped we could get a copy to show at the Convention but sadly it never materialised and the source suddenly went quite and nothing more was ever heard about the tape. Whether this is the same show and tape and importantly whether it still exists in its entirety is open to question.
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Post by admin on Sept 30, 2008 20:35:49 GMT
That's just downright bizarre IMO. If it was me I'd tell them to poke it for that money! It may be mega rare Tull and fantastic to see but at the end of the day it's still only 2 hours of music...
Greedy people IMO. They may well own the legal rights to the footage but if so they certainly don't have any artistic claim on it. They should sell it back to IA for a fair price and Tull should release it. Then we can all enjoy it without lining the pockets of rip off merchants.
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Post by bluehare on Sept 30, 2008 21:34:01 GMT
Well said, Col.
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 30, 2008 22:49:20 GMT
All that 'Tull-a-vision' broadcasted during at least three of the mega-venue gigs that tour and no pressed 'record' ?
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Post by electrocutas on Oct 1, 2008 7:01:41 GMT
It seems this archive house (Historic Films) probably does have a legal right to own the footage of this concert exclusively. It appears this Tull concert was shot specifically for an American rock program called "Don Kirschner's Rock Concert"... which was a popular late-night TV show in the U.S. in the 70's. However, this never aired for some reason. Don Kirschner SOLD the rights to his TV show's footage to Historic Films about 15 years ago, But as mentioned that does not give them artistic rights had a look at the Historic films site here are a couple of pages to check out www.historicfilms.com/search_db_mp.php (Enter artist Jethro tull) www.historicfilms.com/n_clip_view.php?id=120012&kws=WHC-14&keywords=WHC-14&how=and&search_category=This is the 76 reel but shows only as 92 min inc ads but is different to the Tampa set.. I am trying to find out more Also, does anyone know anything about the July 1975 Tull show in Paris (70 minutes) at the Palais Des Sportes that was also pro-shot - Who has that ??
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 1, 2008 7:44:17 GMT
My only suggestion at this stage is to quizz Martin Webb at A New Day to see if he knows anything. If he doesn't, nobody does! Possibly! This is just like the Candy Coloured Rain demos - is it not.
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Post by coolraven on Oct 20, 2008 19:17:32 GMT
I received an email today which included this info.... I found a full 2-hour, pro-shot, multi-camera, synch-sound show of Jethro Tull from July 18, 1976 (in the Capitol Center in Landover, Maryland..I found the quality of the short clip on YouTube excellent, just makes us thirst for more, how frustrating that we wont be able to get our hands on it... And whatever happened to part two of Tullavision's Tampa concert, now there's a show I woul'nt mind seeing.
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Post by Tull50 on Jun 3, 2016 20:45:05 GMT
A small contribution about Tullavision Tampa Concert, usually not appear on youtube videos or new videos from Tampa 76 The Story Of Tullavision Tapes Jethro Tull - Flute Solo Tampa 1976 & about This DVD By the way the DVD from Eagle(ATWL) has exactly the same quality as the "original" NOT FOR SALE There is only one difference, Eagle DVD is for sale This is what Barry Goldberg told me when I asked about this concert and its appearance in the credits Barry Goldberg:
Yes, thats me! Its been quite a while, so my memory may not be too clear. I did not have anything to do with the original filming of the concert; I simply donated to the cause. At the time, I had heard that there was some fantastic footage of the Tampa show that was found somewhere in Germany. These guys were asking for $$ to help with the costs of producing the dvd. I trusted them. Unfortunately, the dvd only shows 1/2 of the concert, and most of the camera shots are close ups of Ian. I heard that there were 3-4 more camera shots of that show focusing on the band. FROM WHAT i understand, the show was being taped for television broadcast by WCBS-tv. It is truly fantastic stuff. The 2nd half of the show is out there somewhere!!! I too, had heard that Ian stopped these guys from selling the 2nd half. I would love to see it. So, I walk away from the experience with my name in the credits. That puts a smile on my face
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Post by argentull on Jul 1, 2016 0:15:27 GMT
This 1976 footage is still available at Historic Films. I recently made a request. Read the answer I got from them and judge for yourselves.
"Please understand that Historic Films is a resource for the television and film industry, not a service to the public. Our license fees usually range from between $25/sec to $75/sec, with a 5 sec minimum per cut (for stock shots used in documentaries), and a $500 job minimum. Music performance clips and other footage that we represent for third parties will have even higher rates and/or minimums. For music performance footage, we usually need to get a 60 sec minimum per song. The collections you are interested in start at $2500/min for non-broadcast projects.
Unfortunately, we cannot even make these reels available for screening purposes for private us. Please let us know if there is anything else we can help you with."
If some staff member or anyone in touch with Ian is reading this, would you ask him what´s the story behind the footage and if he or the managment can get their hands on the material with/without paying? Thanks
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 1, 2016 9:32:07 GMT
This 1976 footage is still available at Historic Films. I recently made a request. Read the answer I got from them and judge for yourselves. "Please understand that Historic Films is a resource for the television and film industry, not a service to the public. Our license fees usually range from between $25/sec to $75/sec, with a 5 sec minimum per cut (for stock shots used in documentaries), and a $500 job minimum. Music performance clips and other footage that we represent for third parties will have even higher rates and/or minimums. For music performance footage, we usually need to get a 60 sec minimum per song. The collections you are interested in start at $2500/min for non-broadcast projects. Unfortunately, we cannot even make these reels available for screening purposes for private us. Please let us know if there is anything else we can help you with." If some staff member or anyone in touch with Ian is reading this, would you ask him what´s the story behind the footage and if he or the managment can get their hands on the material with/without paying? Thanks Hi agentull and a warm welcome to the JT Forum. I'm certain that TullCentral do know of the existance of the film but for whatever reason have declined to get any official release of it. I do know that various copyright holders claim to have sole ownership of Tull images and film so it may be the case of someone in the future deciding in law who exactly are the legitimate copyright holders. Good to have you here - look forward to reading many more of your thoughts etc.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 1, 2016 18:04:07 GMT
One more reason to stay healthy and optimistic...just like verything else in the Tull universe/vaults...great material crawls from rumor to substantiated rumor to existing with legal entanglement till it eventually lands in our hands, ears and eyes. I cannot believe that plenty of footage fron the brief Tull-a-vision era ( summer 1976 US Tour) is not out there...so many cameras, cameramen, roadies, techies and fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 18:19:06 GMT
This 1976 footage is still available at Historic Films. I recently made a request. Read the answer I got from them and judge for yourselves. "Please understand that Historic Films is a resource for the television and film industry, not a service to the public. Our license fees usually range from between $25/sec to $75/sec, with a 5 sec minimum per cut (for stock shots used in documentaries), and a $500 job minimum. Music performance clips and other footage that we represent for third parties will have even higher rates and/or minimums. For music performance footage, we usually need to get a 60 sec minimum per song. The collections you are interested in start at $2500/min for non-broadcast projects. Unfortunately, we cannot even make these reels available for screening purposes for private us. Please let us know if there is anything else we can help you with." If some staff member or anyone in touch with Ian is reading this, would you ask him what´s the story behind the footage and if he or the management can get their hands on the material with/without paying? Thanks Welcome my friend. Good to see you posting on the Forum. More! Raise a little hell...
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Post by argentull on Nov 10, 2016 12:58:21 GMT
Kind of a Tull connection?
Yesterday, 2 high quality Deep Purple live at the Capital Center, Maryland 1976 videos were revealed. Now this is teh same venue, same year than the footage discussed in this thread. The Purple footage will be included in a new DVD early next year. Someone in the DP official facebook site said that "they usually filmed all concerts at this venue" (which opens the door for the Led Zeppelin 1977 rumoured footage, but that is another story). If the Tull footage is owned by the same people that owned the Purple footage, this would mean an arrangement may be possible, i.e. acquiring the video for public release. Is there anybody who can reach the Tull Camp asking for information on this?
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 10, 2016 16:05:29 GMT
Kind of a Tull connection? Yesterday, 2 high quality Deep Purple live at the Capital Center, Maryland 1976 videos were revealed. Now this is teh same venue, same year than the footage discussed in this thread. The Purple footage will be included in a new DVD early next year. Someone in the DP official facebook site said that "they usually filmed all concerts at this venue" (which opens the door for the Led Zeppelin 1977 rumoured footage, but that is another story). If the Tull footage is owned by the same people that owned the Purple footage, this would mean an arrangement may be possible, i.e. acquiring the video for public release. Is there anybody who can reach the Tull Camp asking for information on this? I've forwarded this info to Martin Webb in the hope he can shed some light on this with TullCentral.
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Post by argentull on Nov 10, 2016 16:42:45 GMT
Thanks a lot maddog! Definetively we need clarification about this footage from Tull Central. Don´t forget to post what comes out of it all. Glad I can drop my own grain of sand here.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 10, 2016 16:51:56 GMT
Thanks a lot maddog! Definetively we need clarification about this footage from Tull Central. Don´t forget to post what comes out of it all. Glad I can drop my own grain of sand here. An instant reply from Martin aka Old Webby "Now there's a thought..."My own thoughts are to watch this space - if I get any further info which isn't under TullCentral embargo, I'll pass it on via the Forum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 17:19:00 GMT
Thanks a lot maddog! Definetively we need clarification about this footage from Tull Central. Don´t forget to post what comes out of it all. Glad I can drop my own grain of sand here. An instant reply from Martin aka Old Webby "Now there's a thought..."My own thoughts are to watch this space - if I get any further info which isn't under TullCentral embargo, I'll pass it on via the Forum. He's probably said too much. You're fired...
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Post by geostrehl on Nov 10, 2016 18:11:15 GMT
OK, now I'm excited
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Post by argentull on Nov 10, 2016 19:24:20 GMT
Probably, one of the JT´s Holy Grails that we know of so far...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 21:34:21 GMT
argentull, the 'Live Detective' Stay tuned.
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Post by argentull on Nov 10, 2016 22:03:37 GMT
My name´s Bond, Jethro Bond.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 11, 2016 8:01:33 GMT
Don't get too excited, old webby's "thoughtful" remark was more about passing it on to TullCentral.
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Post by futureshock on Nov 11, 2016 8:44:55 GMT
I'd like to see that recording, because I saw Tull in July 1976 at the Pontiac Michigan show, just a short time before (the famous) Tampa gig that we have video of on the Internet, originally shown on Tullivision, a show on TV I couldn't really watch because of all those musicians blocking my view from being so close to stage. I was about 5 feet from the stage and the performance was outstanding. I think I took along a 110-film camera but not sure if I got any photos. I'm sure it would be blurry if it exists. Anyway, I can verify that the band was putting on a great show!
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Post by nonrabbit on Nov 11, 2016 8:57:27 GMT
Don't get too excited, old webby's "thoughtful" remark was more about passing it on to TullCentral. Old Webby - The Investigator* i66.images obliterated by tinypic/k1p3qv.png[/IMG] * a new thread to uncover the many disguises of the one they call - Old Webby
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Post by argentull on Nov 11, 2016 11:41:34 GMT
Don't get too excited, old webby's "thoughtful" remark was more about passing it on to TullCentral. Well at least we will be certain that TullCentral will know about the footage. Who knows...maybe we have planted the seed of an idea....
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Post by petoletti on Dec 7, 2016 21:24:20 GMT
I've been after this for years.
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Post by argentull on Dec 7, 2016 23:52:20 GMT
With no results?
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Post by atomicsynth on Dec 28, 2016 19:50:46 GMT
I went to that show.
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Post by argentull on Dec 29, 2016 11:40:48 GMT
Awesome! Do you recall cameras on or around the stage and/or the concert being multitracked?
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