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Post by onewhiteduck on Apr 24, 2014 10:14:49 GMT
Ian Popped around last night, had a few beers and he gave me this ......... which was nice.
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Post by Equus on Apr 24, 2014 10:19:38 GMT
In fact there's nothing complicated about the album at all - the theme is hats and long black coats! Highwayman from the Turnpike Inn Did Prince Albert own a long black coat and a big hat? I'll suggest it to Tom on the merchandise stall when I see him - Ian Anderson long black leather coats with the tour dates on the back Oh by the way I told a untruth when I said in a recent post I was off for a cup of tea and a digestive - they were hobnobs, choccy ones of course. Confess my son, confess...
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Post by meliorasequamur on Apr 24, 2014 11:17:03 GMT
The line "This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England," in Doggerland is a quotation from Shakespeare's play "Richard II" (c. 1595). The lines uttered by John of Gaunt on his death bed (see below) were standard learning material for English kids until the 1970s, as an epitome of English imperialist sentiment. Ian is clearly playing with them, especially when he adds "island, alone, aloof", which recalls ancient ideas of the island of Britain as separated from the rest of the world (see Virgil's Eclogue 1, for instance, "et penitus toto divisos orbe Britannos", roughly meaning "the inhabitants of Britain separated from the rest of the world"). JOHN OF GAUNT "This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall, Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands, This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England, This nurse, this teeming womb of royal kings, Fear'd by their breed and famous by their birth, Renowned for their deeds as far from home, For Christian service and true chivalry, As is the sepulchre in stubborn Jewry, Of the world's ransom, blessed Mary's Son, This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land, Dear for her reputation through the world, Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it, Like to a tenement or pelting farm: England, bound in with the triumphant sea Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame, With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds: That England, that was wont to conquer others, Hath made a shameful conquest of itself. Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life, How happy then were my ensuing death!" (Shakespeare, Richard II, Act 1, Scene 2) Read more: www.jethrotull.proboards.com/thread/2654/homo-erraticus-lyric-thread-explanations?page=2#ixzz2znklAQJX
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Post by meliorasequamur on Apr 24, 2014 11:19:43 GMT
I wouldn't want to sound pedantic... But I think that the Latin might not be quite right in the title Puer Ferox Adventus. It seems to be that it's been transferred from the English phrase "Christ child advent" (with wild child instead), but Latin doesn't work like English and has declensions (which Ian well knows, as appears from the first line in the selfsame song). To my ear, it should have been "Pueri Ferocis Adventus". Yet, I'm not sure -- it depends on whether 'adventus' is a noun or a verb. Any Latinists in the forum? It may just be that so many years have passed since my grammar school days...
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Post by onewhiteduck on Apr 24, 2014 11:32:21 GMT
Hate Latin. Bet it would great in Welsh.............
Mae'r streiciau gwynt malurion Gogledd ar ynys Lindisfarne . Yr wyf yn cynnig eneidiau chwilio doethineb fy mlynyddoedd . Mae'r gwersi hyn gwrit yn y llyfr o oedrannau sanctaidd , yn y gorffennol . Mae'r agony , mae'r llwybr cyfiawn i lywio rhwng y tonnau , yr affwys tywyll , ynghlwm wrth y mast .
Mae'r sbwng Cystennin bragmatig mopiau nhw i gyd i fyny ac cadachau lân . Mae hyn i gyd yn iawn , mae'r cyfan swyddogol. Crist dyfodiad plentyn yma i gael eu gweld . Solstice Sadwrn , blotio Yuletide , ymdoddi mewn diniweidrwydd sinig . Cyfarfod yn Milan ac yn cynnal y blaid , yn fwy diogel i eistedd ochr i'r ffens .
Beth yw y llyfr hwn ? Mae'r tudalennau awyrog ? Sgrifellu a sgriblo gyda lledred . Chwedlau talaf ar gyfer tlawd a'r anghenus yn eang - rhyfeddod Eyed ar ffydd newydd . Geiriau o efengyl ac adbrynu , gollyngdod os ydym yn edifarhau Wely angau Ymerawdwr , diwedd y iachawdwriaeth , Bedydd yn dyst amheus .
Mae wedi plentyn gwyllt i ddod. Mae 'na ddyn flin. Mae 'na wawr oes newydd yma , i hen gynllun oedran .
Mam manig , ei phlentyn mynd ar goll : dod o hyd yn y deml gyda'r dynion hynaf . Wedi mynd am fusnes ei dad. yeah - ond yn fuan yn mynd ar goll unwaith eto . Gwadu ei ben gyda'r mad - John broffwyd. Amheuon anialwch banc Gorllewin ac ofn. Hud Gwyn , iachau , a exorcism : got deuddeg o ddynion da - yn awr y gang i gyd yma.
Mae wedi plentyn gwyllt i ddod. Mae 'na ddyn flin. Mae 'na wawr oes newydd yma , i hen gynllun oedran .
Cyhoeddi , hau hadau dwyfol . ( A oedd ei fod mewn gwirionedd yn dweud y peth ? ) Ar ebol asyn , tawel , i'r Passion , gan wybod yn iawn beth mae'n rhaid i'r tâl ddod . Y bara corff, swper ffarwel , bounty arian, cusan fradychu lt yn yn, taith hir a chaled , y Via Dolorosa . Dim edifeirwch diwethaf , yn eithaf unafraid .
Mae wedi plentyn gwyllt i ddod. Mae 'na ddyn flin. Mae 'na wawr oes newydd yma , i hen gynllun oedran .
OneWelshDuck
Sound great to my ears !
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Post by meliorasequamur on Apr 24, 2014 14:42:08 GMT
Hate Latin. Bet it would great in Welsh............. Mae'r streiciau gwynt malurion Gogledd ar ynys Lindisfarne . Yr wyf yn cynnig eneidiau chwilio doethineb fy mlynyddoedd . Mae'r gwersi hyn gwrit yn y llyfr o oedrannau sanctaidd , yn y gorffennol . Mae'r agony , mae'r llwybr cyfiawn i lywio rhwng y tonnau , yr affwys tywyll , ynghlwm wrth y mast . Mae'r sbwng Cystennin bragmatig mopiau nhw i gyd i fyny ac cadachau lân . Mae hyn i gyd yn iawn , mae'r cyfan swyddogol. Crist dyfodiad plentyn yma i gael eu gweld . Solstice Sadwrn , blotio Yuletide , ymdoddi mewn diniweidrwydd sinig . Cyfarfod yn Milan ac yn cynnal y blaid , yn fwy diogel i eistedd ochr i'r ffens . Beth yw y llyfr hwn ? Mae'r tudalennau awyrog ? Sgrifellu a sgriblo gyda lledred . Chwedlau talaf ar gyfer tlawd a'r anghenus yn eang - rhyfeddod Eyed ar ffydd newydd . Geiriau o efengyl ac adbrynu , gollyngdod os ydym yn edifarhau Wely angau Ymerawdwr , diwedd y iachawdwriaeth , Bedydd yn dyst amheus . Mae wedi plentyn gwyllt i ddod. Mae 'na ddyn flin. Mae 'na wawr oes newydd yma , i hen gynllun oedran . Mam manig , ei phlentyn mynd ar goll : dod o hyd yn y deml gyda'r dynion hynaf . Wedi mynd am fusnes ei dad. yeah - ond yn fuan yn mynd ar goll unwaith eto . Gwadu ei ben gyda'r mad - John broffwyd. Amheuon anialwch banc Gorllewin ac ofn. Hud Gwyn , iachau , a exorcism : got deuddeg o ddynion da - yn awr y gang i gyd yma. Mae wedi plentyn gwyllt i ddod. Mae 'na ddyn flin. Mae 'na wawr oes newydd yma , i hen gynllun oedran . Cyhoeddi , hau hadau dwyfol . ( A oedd ei fod mewn gwirionedd yn dweud y peth ? ) Ar ebol asyn , tawel , i'r Passion , gan wybod yn iawn beth mae'n rhaid i'r tâl ddod . Y bara corff, swper ffarwel , bounty arian, cusan fradychu lt yn yn, taith hir a chaled , y Via Dolorosa . Dim edifeirwch diwethaf , yn eithaf unafraid . Mae wedi plentyn gwyllt i ddod. Mae 'na ddyn flin. Mae 'na wawr oes newydd yma , i hen gynllun oedran . OneWelshDuck Sound great to my ears ! Diolch! (I love Welsh, though I can only say a couple of sentences for holiday purposes in Pembrokeshire...) So, Cystennin is Constantine? I'll go through it with the English text -- thanks a lot, it's going to be fun!
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 24, 2014 14:56:07 GMT
Just practicing in my Tull Cellar LOL! Thankfully my wife understands.
As long as she gets her own music I can rest easy.
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Post by Equus on Apr 24, 2014 15:54:50 GMT
Just practicing in my Tull Cellar LOL! Thankfully my wife understands.
As long as she gets her own music I can rest easy.
You are in our thoughts, my son... Now don't you do anything irrational... You must promise me that... Though she torments you with her strange taste in... well, shall we call it "music?" So...for the sake of keeping the peace... please, try to stay calm, though you clearly are going through some very troubling times... Not everyone understands the holy music of Tull, we must try to accept that... We must try to forgive, and don't be afraid to ask for help... Like this honorable gentleman... Asking for help in a very grave situation is the mark of courage...
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 24, 2014 17:59:00 GMT
Cruel Bunter-bashing, cane-a-thrashing, lines, detention, soon forgot.A reference to the character of Billy Bunter of Greyfriars School Lines normally part of an afternoon detention. "Write out a hundred times I must not run in the corridor or cause mayhem in the form room"
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 24, 2014 18:04:43 GMT
Confess my son, confess... I have and my apologies have been accepted. I can now sleep easier at night.
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Post by Equus on Apr 24, 2014 18:42:37 GMT
Confess my son, confess... I have and my apologies have been accepted. I can now sleep easier at night. I am very pleased to hear that, my son... This calls for a celebration!
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 24, 2014 18:49:58 GMT
And don't forget what we learned via Maart Allcock a few years ago...The reason The Tull members and crew call Tull fans 'Billies' ( as in the inrtumnetal snippet 'Dangle the Billies' Is via Billy Bunter...Punter= Bunter= Billy Bunter so Tull punters get the unique slang: Billies !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 19:13:33 GMT
And don't forget what we learned via Maart Allcock a few years ago...The reason The Tull members and crew call Tull fans 'Billies' ( as in the inrtumnetal snippet 'Dangle the Billies' Is via Billy Bunter...Punter= Bunter= Billy Bunter so Tull punters get the unique slang: Billies ! Considering Jethro, Hillbillies might be more suitable. I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate the use of the word punter except for the punter in US/Canadian football. Punter for fans yuck! Choose Cornflakes, Tull or Ian Anderson, it's all the same, Jethro.
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 25, 2014 0:42:57 GMT
Me too...I've always found that bit of slang to be 'fingernail on the blackboard'...I don't mind too much when British people use it but when my L.A. friend started calling concertgoers 'punters' I silently wretched. Billies is okay because it's Tull specific !
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Post by Equus on Apr 25, 2014 6:29:45 GMT
Me too...I've always found that bit of slang to be 'fingernail on the blackboard'...I don't mind too much when British people use it but when my L.A. friend started calling concertgoers 'punters' I silently wretched. Billies is okay because it's Tull specific ! I don't really like any of the names... Punters or Billies?? Sounds a little disrespectful to me... I would personally go for Tullies...
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 25, 2014 8:15:03 GMT
Is this his most political album?
I agree with most of the sentiments ie over population,depletion of the earths bounties due in part to the way we pollute the earth.
However on the point of building on green belt land here in Britain it's not so simple a solution.
There is a common thought that migration is causing the housing shortage which will inevitably result in building on green belt land however there is another train of thought that the housing shortage is due to a lack of house building for the last few decades.
After These Wars and New Blood, New Veins, talks about life in the 50's and 60's in Britain when new housing was at a premium. Bad housing was demolished and new houses with gardens and landscaping were being built with new communities evolving (eventually!)
Children of my generation were living in better conditions than our parents did and when we got to an age when we could afford to buy, a single person could afford to get a mortgage on a small home - almost unheard of now.
The other train of thought, in my opinion is that a third of Britain - this very small country, is owned by a very small group of aristocrats - huge estates of land and portfolios. On todays news, a patronising "mortgage consultant" from one the large lenders,talked about how it's going to be more difficult to get a mortgage. Mortgages were easy to get and some people took on too much however the greedy banks were pushing people as well. He didn't say this (of course) what he said was;
"Well we can't all own huge mansions"
The gap in who owns what and how much and those who can never hope to own even a small box is widening. I don't think it's fair not practical to assume that this can continue.
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Post by onewhiteduck on Apr 25, 2014 8:56:42 GMT
The scale of Britain's growing inequality is revealed by a report from a leading charity showing that the country's five richest families now own more wealth than the poorest 20% of the population. ( the Guardian ).
Cornwall has been given It's minority status but Prince Charlie's Estate ( Duchy of Cornwall ) owns most of the land, as if owning all the UK's swans wasn't enough. Does the Royal family pay Council Tax ( someone has to take their rubbish ).
Great post Patti. Well Said you wise old sage
Onewhiteduck (not a swan)
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Post by Equus on Apr 25, 2014 10:19:12 GMT
Mankind is using the earths recourses on an ever unprecedented scale... and still we are called upon to work, work, work... but as the world's populations keep rising, we must ask us selves some very crucial questions.. Does everyone really have to work? Is it always good when people work? Do we really need all that luxury? Can we afford all that luxery? I actually believe that we will have to stop a lot of all that working... Many people are producing things that we just don't need... We will soon be forced to come up with some radically different solutions... but maybe I'm wrong... Under Wraps rocks!! Love that album!!
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Post by Equus on Apr 25, 2014 10:38:14 GMT
Is this his most political album? I agree with most of the sentiments ie over population,depletion of the earths bounties due in part to the way we pollute the earth. However on the point of building on green belt land here in Britain it's not so simple a solution. There is a common thought that migration is causing the housing shortage which will inevitably result in building on green belt land however there is another train of thought that the housing shortage is due to a lack of house building for the last few decades. After These Wars and New Blood, New Veins, talks about life in the 50's and 60's in Britain when new housing was at a premium. Bad housing was demolished and new houses with gardens and landscaping were being built with new communities evolving (eventually!) Children of my generation were living in better conditions than our parents did and when we got to an age when we could afford to buy, a single person could afford to get a mortgage on a small home - almost unheard of now. The other train of thought, in my opinion is that a third of Britain - this very small country, is owned by a very small group of aristocrats - huge estates of land and portfolios. On todays news, a patronising "mortgage consultant" from one the large lenders,talked about how it's going to be more difficult to get a mortgage. Mortgages were easy to get and some people took on too much however the greedy banks were pushing people as well. He didn't say this (of course) what he said was; "Well we can't all own huge mansions" The gap in who owns what and how much and those who can never hope to own even a small box is widening. I don't think it's fair not practical to assume that this can continue. It's not fair at all! I believe that we need people like Bill Gates, and Steve Jobs, but they have to have a large workforce to make their dreams come true... There will always be a substantial number of people that have to sweep the floor, build the houses... etc. etc. etc... These people will want to have a piece of the cake... and so they should... This is not communism, this is plain decency...
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 25, 2014 16:01:52 GMT
The three piers on the sea front at Blackpool, late 19th/early 20th century, when such attractions were new and at their most popular. "..... Out there, far beyond Victorian piers and palisades."
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Post by stevep on Apr 25, 2014 16:28:49 GMT
Used to get taken to Blackpool and Lytham St Annes 50 something years ago and often wondered if we stayed anywhere near the Anderson residence. My claim to fame then was that as a six year, I plucked up enough courage to ask Carry-On actor Sid James for his autograph after he finished a show on the pier. I was promptly told to f*** off, you little ****.
Strange how these sort of memories of folk remain with you...
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Post by Equus on Apr 25, 2014 17:14:31 GMT
Used to get taken to Blackpool and Lytham St Annes 50 something years ago and often wondered if we stayed anywhere near the Anderson residence. My claim to fame then was that as a six year, I plucked up enough courage to ask Carry-On actor Sid James for his autograph after he finished a show on the pier. I was promptly told to f*** off, you little ****. Strange how these sort of memories of folk remain with you... Yes... and unfortunately some of these people don't know how to behave... or whatever it is that's ailing them? It's very unfortunate because we normally don't see these people again, so these unpleasant encounters seems to stick... I once did the same thing in Denmark... I was at a concert with Disney Land After Dark... We briefly met them when they came down from the stage. I said something nice about them, and they repaid me by being were very unpleasant... Real snobs!! I have never forgotten them for that...
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 25, 2014 21:18:44 GMT
Used to get taken to Blackpool and Lytham St Annes 50 something years ago and often wondered if we stayed anywhere near the Anderson residence. My claim to fame then was that as a six year, I plucked up enough courage to ask Carry-On actor Sid James for his autograph after he finished a show on the pier. I was promptly told to f*** off, you little ****. Strange how these sort of memories of folk remain with you... sorry I laughed the first time and then I realised you were only six! My son went to Uni in Swansea and a group of drunk students, him included, went into the local shop ( for fags and more booze probably) and who's standing there none other than the Chuckle Brothers. So my son being the most gobby one went up to the small Chuckle Brother and said the catchphrase. "To me to you" To which he very kindly gave him a new one; "F*** OFF you bunch of f****** drunk students" I'm with the Chuckles. Those highly amusing brothers...
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 25, 2014 21:19:53 GMT
Beautiful pictures of Victorian Blackpool Graham.
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Post by stevep on Apr 25, 2014 22:03:29 GMT
It seems James had all sorts of problems with drinking, fighting, women and gambling and he probably had just had a bad day. I loved Blackpool though when I was a kid and still have some fond memories of the place.
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 26, 2014 15:12:03 GMT
"Goodbye Blackpool, going where sun is guaranteed. Drink it down, throw it up. Watneys Red: just what I need. Knotted hankie worn too late, melanoma's such a pain."
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 26, 2014 15:20:16 GMT
Depending on your point of view, these may be the most noteworthy lyrics on the album "We thought it over for a century or two. Considered all in light of such short history. Would you let them loose upon the stars? Bring their dark and murky waters to lap on pristine shores? Fine in their own place and with their own destiny to follow. But - breeding like rabbits on other worlds and with other calmer spirits?"
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 26, 2014 17:23:26 GMT
More beautiful images Graham.
Is the Wandering Man the personification of survival?
Is there any significance or meaning in the wonky pronged pitchfork?
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 26, 2014 17:27:46 GMT
Maybe the pitchfork is a staff of office or symbolic of a crook in a religious way?
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 27, 2014 9:14:31 GMT
Now what he's saying here is right up my street or should that be down the twisting and foreboding woodland track? Covers some points we've mentioned here already - almost as if he's been reading this thread. Portsmouth News www.portsmouth.co.uk/what-s-on/we-all-love-fantasies-we-buy-into-them-says-ian-anderson-1-6021264#.U1w0oKYtTJU.twitterWe all love fantasies. We buy into them’ says Ian Anderson"Few albums could lay claim to covering 8,000 years of history..... But then we are dealing here with the keen and, some might say, eccentric mind of Tull’s former frontman, Ian Anderson." "..We all love fantasies,’ Ian explains, ‘we all buy into them, we accept the improbable, which is why I think with the original Thick As A Brick, slightly spoof-like as it was, people bought into the ridiculous notion of an eight-year-old writing a rock album." "..The divergence of super-rich and super-poor is going to continue, whereas I think we would all rather live in a world where more people could share in the wealth and share in the productivity. ‘OK, so I’ll slip all this into the context of a rock album, and if people want to think about it’s up to them, it’s buried into the layers of the onion, and if you just want to tap your foot with your little white box, that’s up to you...’
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