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Post by rbgflute on Jul 1, 2014 20:54:49 GMT
I pre-ordered my APP deluxe set from Amazon, and it was delivered to me yesterday,in the SF bay area. Very nice packaging and booklet. Watched the videos first, then listened to the APP stereo remix. Sound is superb. Listened to the first few songs of the Chateau tapes, before getting pulled into other things. The opening track has material I'd not heard before. Some synth effects, very clear and unprocessed sound. Intrigued to hear the whole thing. I read a bit of the book, according to Steven Wilson, Ian wanted to remove a lot of the sax parts from APP. Luckily cool heads prevailed and only a few minor parts were taken out.
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Post by tinkletron on Jul 1, 2014 21:05:58 GMT
I read a bit of the book, according to Steven Wilson, Ian wanted to remove a lot of the sax parts from APP. Luckily cool heads prevailed and only a few minor parts were taken out. Very interesting. Were you able to hear the missing tracks? Perhaps it was some sax double or triple tracking that was too layered and they reduced it to a single, thinner sax. That would be less noticeable to us but something that could haunt the man in charge that produced it. Ok, hitting the rush hour traffic and hopefully good things await. I hope everyone expecting to has gotten their copy! |
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 1, 2014 21:28:14 GMT
Wow...delivery near SF ! Maybe mine is waiting at my El Cerrito door ?
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 2, 2014 8:08:56 GMT
Is this........? a. Jeffrey Hammond b. Florian Ophale c. OWD d. Max Quad e. Mark Ridley f. A.N Other. An APP selfie   |
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Post by Cold Valhalla on Jul 2, 2014 8:39:29 GMT
Listening right now for the first time, stereo version, "Chateau D'isaster".
Sounds really great! So much better then Nightcap!
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 2, 2014 11:14:35 GMT
Listening right now for the first time, stereo version, "Chateau D'isaster". Sounds really great! So much better then Nightcap! Welcome to the Forum Cold Valhalla (formerly White Duck). You've certainly joined at a good time with the new APP release and the Iceland concert due out in August. Plenty to see here and I look forward to reading your posts etc.  MD |
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Post by Cold Valhalla on Jul 2, 2014 11:34:54 GMT
Thanks a lot, I have been a Tull fan since a friend had Aqualung in, as I remember, 1972. The best show that I remember was 1976 in Stockholm, John Miles was special guest. So I cross my fingers hard and Wind Up My God for some prayers that a DVD of "jethro tull paris 1975" will be released Someday The Sun Shine  I have been waiting for APP 2014 and I'm really happy that "Chateau d'herouville" at last have been released in a well sounding official version! Yours sincerely, White Duck |
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Post by onewhiteduck on Jul 2, 2014 12:30:18 GMT
Thanks a lot, I have been a Tull fan since a friend had Aqualung in, as I remember, 1972. The best show that I remember was 1976 in Stockholm, John Miles was special guest. So I cross my fingers hard and Wind Up My God for some prayers that a DVD of "jethro tull paris 1975" will be released Someday The Sun Shine I have been waiting for APP 2014 and I'm really happy that "Chateau d'herouville" at last have been released in a well sounding official version! Yours sincerely, White Duck Not another Duck, one is enough!! Welcome Duck ( dont sound right ) welcome other Duck Hope you enjoy the forum and please dont do impersonations. Cheers OWD |
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Post by Cold Valhalla on Jul 2, 2014 13:57:19 GMT
Sorry onewhiteduck, did not know, changed my name to Cold Valhalla, a perfect name for a Viking from Sweden  CV |
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 2, 2014 15:14:15 GMT
Sorry onewhiteduck, did not know, changed my name to Cold Valhalla, a perfect name for a Viking from Sweden CV Bu99er - I've just finished digging the duck pond in the back garden  Btw, welcome again Mr Valhalla - great avatar  |
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 2, 2014 15:18:31 GMT
APP mailbox vigil in place...need delivery today or tomorrow for holiday weekend road trip.
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Post by tinkletron on Jul 2, 2014 16:43:10 GMT
Listened to both 5.1 discs last night and they sounded absolutely amazing! The presentation is perfect. I love the ballerina image subtlety moving as APP rolls on. The sound is just superb. I immediately noticed the two sax phrases that were omitted. I won't point them out so as to let others discover it, and to some it may be an annoyance if they do actually notice. Oh my, when the two extra verses started playing, my wife actually spit out her drink like some cliche comedy scene! She was seriously shocked. Silly lady.
The Chateau album was quite interesting. Sure, the 90's flute overdubs were a bit overdone, but damn I really miss some of that killer flute stuff. A lot of it sounds great without but I was really disappointed that the flute in Scenario (marching band style) was missing. It just leaves a huge hole in the song. I never realized that was redone in 1988. Ian did an overly impressive job finishing up that three piece suite, so much so that it's just not as good now. Too bad the audio quality of the 20 years version is so horrible. There are some really wonderful little surprises that come out in the new mix and it just has an overall different feel. Having both albums in this form really creates an immersive, complete and richer experience.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 3, 2014 16:29:10 GMT
Mine arrived today thankfully.
The two missing verses now spliced back onto APP are a terrific bonus and one must wonder why they were omitted in the first place and not found when the previous remastering was done. Glad they're now back with their siblings.
The Chateau tapes, now having the benefit of a SW scrub up, is a killer. Not only do they lay the ghost of it being a musical and studio disaster but for all time mean that "they" can proudly stand on their own as a Tull album and not thought of as the inferior work or rather naughty relative of APP. The album now flows in a smooth and continuous fashion without the rather disjointed way that they have previously been presented to us.
Wonderful - if we all lived in the same vicinity we'd be having an APP party this weekend.
Pass us that bottle will you ?
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 3, 2014 16:38:09 GMT
True that...an APP party in the flesh would be nice...But our virtual party isn't half bad....beats the lonliness of the lifelong Tull fan felt in, say, about 92/93. I stumbled onto Nightcap in a Hamburg record store and clearly remember devouring it as a solitary and private experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 16:53:20 GMT
Mine arrived today thankfully. The two missing verses now spliced back onto APP are a terrific bonus and one must wonder why they were omitted in the first place and not found when the previous remastering was done. Glad they're now back with their siblings. The Chateau tapes, now having the benefit of a SW scrub up, is a killer. Not only do they lay the ghost of it being a musical and studio disaster but for all time mean that "they" can proudly stand on their own as a Tull album and not thought of as the inferior work or rather naughty relative of APP. The album now flows in a smooth and continuous fashion without the rather disjointed way that they have previously been presented to us. Wonderful - if we all lived in the same vicinity we'd be having an APP party this weekend. Pass us that bottle will you ? CHEERS! 5.1 is a dream come true. Big thanks to Steven Wilson ! |
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 3, 2014 17:08:28 GMT
Mine arrived today thankfully. The two missing verses now spliced back onto APP are a terrific bonus and one must wonder why they were omitted in the first place and not found when the previous remastering was done. Glad they're now back with their siblings. The Chateau tapes, now having the benefit of a SW scrub up, is a killer. Not only do they lay the ghost of it being a musical and studio disaster but for all time mean that "they" can proudly stand on their own as a Tull album and not thought of as the inferior work or rather naughty relative of APP. The album now flows in a smooth and continuous fashion without the rather disjointed way that they have previously been presented to us. Wonderful - if we all lived in the same vicinity we'd be having an APP party this weekend. Pass us that bottle will you ? CHEERS! 5.1 is a dream come true. Big thanks to Steven Wilson ! Credit to him certainly for finding the two verses/stanzas that were edited off and spliced on at the end of the master tape. I'm under the impression that the correct way to store tape is "reverse outwards" meaning that the tape is stored so that the end of the tape is at the beginning of the reel which, so I understand, prevents "bleed through" of recordings. Now if this is the case, how the hell were they overlooked since the last remaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 17:38:29 GMT
CHEERS! 5.1 is a dream come true. Big thanks to Steven Wilson ! Credit to him certainly for finding the two verses/stanzas that were edited off and spliced on at the end of the master tape. I'm under the impression that the correct way to store tape is "reverse outwards" meaning that the tape is stored so that the end of the tape is at the beginning of the reel which, so I understand, prevents "bleed through" of recordings. Now if this is the case, how the hell were they overlooked since the last remaster. A guess concerning the previous APP remaster - Probably because production masters were used before. Now we are treated to the actual master tapes. Master tapes are best for remixing (really required). CHEERS |
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 3, 2014 17:43:02 GMT
Okay...so still no APP/Viagra mix at my house bit i did get another email from Amazon telling that my pre-order price guarantee has kicked in and I now have a credit of $00.01 reflecting a decrease in the AAP price inbetween pre-order and delivery. So there it is..a one penny dent in my TAAB live order. Life is good.
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Post by tinkletron on Jul 3, 2014 18:11:28 GMT
The Chateau tapes, now having the benefit of a SW scrub up, is a killer. Not only do they lay the ghost of it being a musical and studio disaster but for all time mean that "they" can proudly stand on their own as a Tull album and not thought of as the inferior work or rather naughty relative of APP. The album now flows in a smooth and continuous fashion without the rather disjointed way that they have previously been presented to us. Wonderful - if we all lived in the same vicinity we'd be having an APP party this weekend. Pass us that bottle will you ? That is certainly a good point you make about laying to rest the studio disaster theory. Whatever the disaster was, it certainly isn't found on the recordings. I'm not sure if it was Ian's mixing, the flute covering sounds up, the expanded sounds space that 5.1 provides or just Wilson bringing out the sounds with modern technology, but there are so many completely unfamiliar sounds here. In fact, I think there was quite a bit chopped off and edited on Nightcap. There were some new passages in songs we were already given. Of course we all know every note of APP by heart, but Chateau is almost an entirely new album to digest! Only one and a half listens in for me and it's quite the new experience. |
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Post by rbgflute on Jul 3, 2014 18:47:59 GMT
Credit to him certainly for finding the two verses/stanzas that were edited off and spliced on at the end of the master tape. I'm under the impression that the correct way to store tape is "reverse outwards" meaning that the tape is stored so that the end of the tape is at the beginning of the reel which, so I understand, prevents "bleed through" of recordings. Now if this is the case, how the hell were they overlooked since the last remaster. A guess concerning the previous APP remaster - Probably because production masters were used before. Now we are treated to the actual master tapes. Master tapes are best for remixing (really required). CHEERS Yes, this speaks to the difference between remastering and remixing. Remastering is done from a 2 track stereo tape source, reshaping, EQing and giving a better sound to what was already mixed. Remixing is from the multitrack master tapes, with the ability to 'remix', as in rebalance, EQ and process the individual tracks into a new stereo (or 5.1) master. |
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 4, 2014 8:54:23 GMT
A guess concerning the previous APP remaster - Probably because production masters were used before. Now we are treated to the actual master tapes. Master tapes are best for remixing (really required). CHEERS Yes, this speaks to the difference between remastering and remixing. Remastering is done from a 2 track stereo tape source, reshaping, EQing and giving a better sound to what was already mixed. Remixing is from the multitrack master tapes, with the ability to 'remix', as in rebalance, EQ and process the individual tracks into a new stereo (or 5.1) master. That would explain it. Thanks for enlightening me, and most probably a few others |
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Post by Cold Valhalla on Jul 4, 2014 10:36:09 GMT
I transferred the new APP to my iTunes so I can listen to the album with my iPod, of course to the Apple lossless format. I am not happy when the album have one cover for the two discs, so I have made a split into two albums. Then the next problem is, what album cover to use for the second disc. How about a forum competition, creating the best cover? I am sure you all have a lot of nice ideas. For the moment I have created a cover, quick and dirty, I can live with until something better comes up.  |
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 4, 2014 14:51:18 GMT
I transferred the new APP to my iTunes so I can listen to the album with my iPod, of course to the Apple lossless format. I am not happy when the album have one cover for the two discs, so I have made a split into two albums. Then the next problem is, what album cover to use for the second disc. How about a forum competition, creating the best cover? I am sure you all have a lot of nice ideas. For the moment I have created a cover, quick and dirty, I can live with until something better comes up. Interesting history of Chateau d'Hérouville here link |
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Post by Cold Valhalla on Jul 4, 2014 15:13:34 GMT
Thank's for the interesting link. I sometimes visit Paris and I use to take Ryanair to Beauvais airport. Yesterday I realised that the airport bus pass very close to Hérouville. Have to visit there one day…
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Post by onewhiteduck on Jul 4, 2014 15:30:45 GMT
I transferred the new APP to my iTunes so I can listen to the album with my iPod, of course to the Apple lossless format. I am not happy when the album have one cover for the two discs, so I have made a split into two albums. Then the next problem is, what album cover to use for the second disc. How about a forum competition, creating the best cover? I am sure you all have a lot of nice ideas. For the moment I have created a cover, quick and dirty, I can live with until something better comes up. View AttachmentHello Valhalla I did the same and use this one  Cheers The OnewhiteDuck |
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Post by zombywoof92 on Jul 5, 2014 6:28:17 GMT
I'm totally thrilled with this release. The book, the sound, the complete Chateau Tapes. If this doesn't convince absolutely everyone that APP / Chateau are two of the best albums of all time, I don't know what will. Well done, Steven Wilson. As for the missing sax parts, is it just me or does it seem like there are *more* sax parts? Particularly on "Foot of Our Stairs". Or have they been lost in the mix all of these years?
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Post by Equus on Jul 5, 2014 8:33:37 GMT
I'm totally thrilled with this release. The book, the sound, the complete Chateau Tapes. If this doesn't convince absolutely everyone that APP / Chateau are two of the best albums of all time, I don't know what will. Well done, Steven Wilson. As for the missing sax parts, is it just me or does it seem like there are *more* sax parts? Particularly on "Foot of Our Stairs". Or have they been lost in the mix all of these years? I'm really looking forward to buying this. |
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Post by Cold Valhalla on Jul 5, 2014 9:33:37 GMT
You will not regret buying the box. Now I'am waiting for the vinyl release of the new APP remix and and cross my fingers for a vinyl release of the Chateau.
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Post by JTull 007 on Jul 5, 2014 12:50:04 GMT
I'm totally thrilled with this release. The book, the sound, the complete Chateau Tapes. If this doesn't convince absolutely everyone that APP / Chateau are two of the best albums of all time, I don't know what will. Well done, Steven Wilson. As for the missing sax parts, is it just me or does it seem like there are *more* sax parts? Particularly on "Foot of Our Stairs". Or have they been lost in the mix all of these years?
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 5, 2014 17:20:17 GMT
Some interesting "comments" over on the Amazon UK page. Just a couple but some more here link5.0 out of 5 stars The goats from the sheep, 5 July 2014
By Patrick Byrne
This review is from: A Passion Play (An Extended Performance) (Audio CD)
I've always loved A Passion Play, so I'll just have to let it quietly pass that Ian Anderson himself thinks I should only be permitted day release from a mental institution.
The remastered stereo and 5.1 mixes here of both A Passion Play itself and the Château d'Hérouville sessions are quite simply glorious. APP is loud, crystal clear, sparkling, and full of depth and colour, not to mention two great new verses in 'The Foot of Our Stairs'. Ian Anderson suggests in the notes to this handsome package that on reflection APP was maybe all a bit one dimensional. That's a baffling observation. If anything, APP is the most complex and musically colourful of all Jethro Tull albums. Thick as a Brick is arguably more one dimensional by comparison -- and I love TAAB.
The CdH sessions, while much rawer but also with much greater depth of sound and no overdubs as per previous releases, reveal more fully than ever before the great album that might have been.
In retrospect, it makes sense, to me at least, to see 1973 as a year in which Jethro Tull suffered a lot of bad luck: the living conditions at the Château were awful, not the recordings; the subsequent abandoning of those recordings and the hurried recording of APP leading to the live performance of a complex, demanding piece before its release without, crucially, time for fans and critics alike to adjust and absorb. The bad reviews and the rest followed, as most of you know.
Ultimately, that was a great shame, because, taken together, APP and CdH speak to me of a band at its most daring, brave, experimental, risk-taking best. Ideas were just flowing in Tull at this time. No, they didn't all work and, no doubt, many of the CdH recording would have undergone considerable refinement has they been pushed further. With some better luck in 1973, things might have been different, not so reined in, thereafter.
But APP itself? I'm not sure I even buy the line any longer about it being brilliant but flawed. Listening to it a number of times over the past few days in these crisp new stereo and 5.1 mixes, I think I might finally conclude it is simply brilliant. There is simply not one section of it, one moment, one single phrase that I don't like. What's that you say? Oh, The Hare...? Well, if you don't get it, you don't, and fair enough.
I think I've decided to leave instructions that when the time comes for hush along my very own Fulham Road, A Passion Play will be played in full at my funeral. That'll sort the goats from the sheep and decide who benefits from my will.
5.0 out of 5 stars The wait is finally over, 1 July 2014
By Jumping Jesus
This review is from: A Passion Play (An Extended Performance) (Audio CD)
I can't remember being so keen on a forthcoming Jethro Tull release in all my days. APP has always been one of my fave Tull albums, being from the period when I consider the band were at the peak of their powers. I never understood why the album was often praised but with reservations. I never found it a difficult listen nor one that took time to get to grips with.
Steven Wilson has done an unbelievable job with these remixes thus far. The music has in my opinion been taken further than Mobile Fidelity ever did with this stuff. There is real clarity and separation in the mix and this enables the listener to experience this fantastic music with fresh ears.
I have looked forward to this release as much for the Chateau D'Herouville sessions as the main attraction, as I probably listen to this stuff as frequently as I do A Passion Play. There are some real gems amongst Chateau D'Herouville which I will never understand being buried for as long as they did. If anybody reading this review has not heard this stuff then I urge you to buy this release if only for this stuff, some of which is Tull at their best.
It's so nice to finally have a crystal clear version of Sailor, as many of us have been hearing a rather poor quality grab of this tune for some time. A great song which has finally been fully unearthed and dusted down with Mr Wilson's magic touch.
Steven Wilson opted to omit the 1993 flute overdubs from the D'Herouville material and in areas this is to the benefit of the music. It certainly allows one to listen to the 'authentic' sessions. However there are moments where I half wish he would have retained Ian Anderson's 1993 input, where I think it enhances the music. Critique Oblique is an example. It is a minor gripe though.
All in all it is a thing of audio beauty and in my opinion worth multiples of its retail price. As I do not have a 5.1 setup, my review is of the stereo side of this package, but as Steven Wilson rather specialises in 5.1 mixes and hires music I have complete faith that this part of the package more than pulls it's weight. One day when I'm rich I will add to my setup the gear which will allow me to appreciate the DVD-a disks!
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