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Post by nonrabbit on Dec 6, 2013 8:16:04 GMT
i43.images obliterated by tinypic/sngdpi.jpg[/IMG] i39.images obliterated by tinypic/2j5mhid.jpg[/IMG] i40.images obliterated by tinypic/jqtkep.jpg[/IMG] "We'll never see your likes again" Rest in Peace.
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 6, 2013 8:38:12 GMT
Sad News.
Rest In Peace.
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Post by futureshock on Dec 6, 2013 9:47:21 GMT
That hit social media hard. Lots of reaction from those who met him and millions who knew he was such a shining light of courage, compassion, ongoing communication and the resolve to end conflict. To get people to aim for liberty, social justice and truth.
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Post by bunkerfan on Dec 6, 2013 10:34:59 GMT
Nelson Mandela surely was one of the most outstanding men of our time. His courage, determination and forgiveness will never be forgotten.
RIP Madiba
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Post by Tull50 on Dec 6, 2013 19:30:54 GMT
Nice pertain to a forum that recognizes a man who will be an example for future generations. Rest in Peace Nelson Mandela
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Post by nonrabbit on Dec 6, 2013 22:10:11 GMT
Nice pertain to a forum that recognizes a man who will be an example for future generations.Rest in Peace Nelson Mandela So true. Mention of a Madiba World Peace Day celebrated in every country. 95 incredible years of a journey of an incredible man.
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Post by tullist on Dec 6, 2013 23:54:01 GMT
Nice pertain to a forum that recognizes a man who will be an example for future generations.Rest in Peace Nelson Mandela So true. Mention of a Madiba World Peace Day celebrated in every country. 95 incredible years of a journey of an incredible man. amen. also important to remember he was only a man, with admitted imperfections. But by all means beware of those, and they are many, who now want to align themselves with the memory of the great man, in my country they are most normally called Republicans or members of the "tea party." I saw the precise same thing happen with Martin Luther King. Believe me in the time his heart was beating he was considered an "enemy of the state" by, at minimum, 90 per cent of white people. Ditto with Mandela, for chrissakes he was on our terrorist watch list until 2008, curiously the last year of Bush jr.'s Presidency. I would have no greater wish for my life than to see the complete extinction of the Republican party, guilty in so many of the world's ills. And with the ever changing tincture of our national populace, I do declare that day appears to be imminent. Thank God. Thank God.
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Post by nonrabbit on Dec 7, 2013 0:16:00 GMT
Yes indeed and he had the courage to face up to his mistakes, admit to them, learn from them and to encourage others to do likewise. as in this country. You can speak volumes about him or say only a few words - he said to forgive, forget and then move forward.
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Post by tullist on Dec 7, 2013 1:29:22 GMT
Yes indeed and he had the courage to face up to his mistakes, admit to them, learn from them and to encourage others to do likewise. as in this country. You can speak volumes about him or say only a few words - he said to forgive, forget and then move forward. Well I am with you Patti until the use of the word forget. I don't think one forgets torture. And even in fairness to forgiveness, I do remember the manner in which the ANC dealt on their enemies, though this can be more closely aligned with his wife. It involved a burning tire, u can probably guess the rest. However I believe this man is rightly honored, as were other imperfect people. Here in the USA,FDR,Malcolm X, the Kennedy's and MLK all fit that mold. And by the standards expected of a Presidential candidate now, all would be seriously imperiled. Yes I do believe the day would have come that both Malcolm X and MLK would have run for elected office.
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Post by JTull 007 on Dec 7, 2013 1:47:17 GMT
Well I am with you Patti until the use of the word forget. I don't think one forgets torture. And even in fairness to forgiveness, I do remember the manner in which the ANC dealt on their enemies, though this can be more closely aligned with his wife. It involved a burning tire, u can probably guess the rest. However I believe this man is rightly honored, as were other imperfect people. Here in the USA, FDR, Malcolm X, the Kennedy's and MLK all fit that mold. And by the standards expected of a Presidential candidate now, all would be seriously imperiled. Yes I do believe the day would have come that both Malcolm X and MLK would have run for elected office. Well said Ray. There are many heroes we all admire that have been less than perfect in their own lives. That makes them human. Here is another interesting part of history... www.cnn.com/2013/12/06/world/africa/nelson-mandela-surprising-facts/index.html 9. He was on the U.S. terror watch list: Mandela wasn't removed from the U.S. terror watch list until 2008 -- at age 89. He and other members of the African National Congress were placed on it because of their militant fight against apartheid.
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Post by tullist on Dec 7, 2013 2:00:05 GMT
Well I am with you Patti until the use of the word forget. I don't think one forgets torture. And even in fairness to forgiveness, I do remember the manner in which the ANC dealt on their enemies, though this can be more closely aligned with his wife. It involved a burning tire, u can probably guess the rest. However I believe this man is rightly honored, as were other imperfect people. Here in the USA, FDR, Malcolm X, the Kennedy's and MLK all fit that mold. And by the standards expected of a Presidential candidate now, all would be seriously imperiled. Yes I do believe the day would have come that both Malcolm X and MLK would have run for elected office. Well said Ray. There are many heroes we all admire that have been less than perfect in their own lives. That makes them human. Here is another interesting part of history... www.cnn.com/2013/12/06/world/africa/nelson-mandela-surprising-facts/index.html 9. He was on the U.S. terror watch list: Mandela wasn't removed from the U.S. terror watch list until 2008 -- at age 89. He and other members of the African National Congress were placed on it because of their militant fight against apartheid.Very true Jim. Much of his switch toward violence as an alternative, is, to my mind, entirely understandable. It dates to whatever that town was in South Africa where 60 or 70 people were executed, including many children, during a non violent protest in the early 60's. Indeed he refused release from prison, given with a pre condition that he renounce violence. It is a position that he, and I for that matter, did not renounce until his dying day. He really bore alot more resemblance to Malcolm X than Martin Luther King, both of whom were formidable American patriots. I mean have folks ever seen Malcolm X on any of those talk shows in the 60's. This was a brilliant and visionary man. Extraordinarily brave. I can absolutely see had he lived another 10 years, with his enlightenment racially after visiting Mecca, that he could have, what with being so dead handsome and an orator on the level of President Obama, have seen himself elected to office.
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Post by JTull 007 on Dec 7, 2013 2:58:19 GMT
Many struggles against oppressive governments are called terrorists by those same governments. For those who are against change, the word Communism was an easy label to use. This created even more fear by those who were the ones in power and refused to change.
I seem to remember that label used quite often during the 80's to discredit Mandela and the ANC.
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Post by nonrabbit on Dec 7, 2013 15:07:02 GMT
Well I am with you Patti until the use of the word forget. I don't think one forgets torture. And even in fairness to forgiveness, I do remember the manner in which the ANC dealt on their enemies, though this can be more closely aligned with his wife. It involved a burning tire, u can probably guess the rest. However I believe this man is rightly honored, as were other imperfect people. Here in the USA,FDR,Malcolm X, the Kennedy's and MLK all fit that mold. And by the standards expected of a Presidential candidate now, all would be seriously imperiled. Yes I do believe the day would have come that both Malcolm X and MLK would have run for elected office. Forget it isn't the right word but in trying to get the cordinates right for a forward surge from opression there has to be an element of leaving some things in the past however I don't believe that there is one solution fits all to fight every act of oppression or hatred commited by the mass - humankind can be a tricky, very flawed and ugly business. To stand up against an unjust society as was aparteid was never going to be easy and mistakes were surely made and I am not justifying any acts of terror anywhere as a solution. I cried when I was little when I seen opression on the television be it S Africa, N Ireland or the US south - the solution seemed very simple and then I grew up.
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Post by tullist on Dec 7, 2013 17:47:16 GMT
Totally respect your view Patti. Still I can see where when one bears witness to an event, on top of the day to day oppression, in which 70 of your people are executed with 10 of them being children, or an event such as occurred in that church in Birmingham Alabama I am afraid something primordial gets awakened, where all bets are off, the pandora' box is open, and folks on the edge are now radicalized. I know in the case of Malcolm X, who's Dad was alot like him, he was an outspoken advocate of Marcus Garvey, to see as a boy your house be put to the flame, and a while later to find your proud daddy having been run over in an "accident", yeah, I can see where that would let the cat out of the bag.
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