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Post by futureshock on Jan 9, 2013 13:05:43 GMT
Which three Tull albums would be the best introduction to Tull music for females who've never listened to a Tull album before?
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 9, 2013 16:13:27 GMT
Benefit, Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 9, 2013 19:10:35 GMT
*splutters coffee onto keyboard on reading thread title* Curious to know why certain Tull songs should be classed male and female or is it a broader topic?
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 9, 2013 19:10:48 GMT
Which three Tull albums would be the best introduction to Tull music for females who've never listened to a Tull album before? I'd go for the jugular: Passion Play Benefit TAAB (1 & 2)
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 9, 2013 21:03:15 GMT
I think I understand the ?....A well meaning male wonders aloud how to best infect his fair maiden with the Tull bug...a foolproof recipe would be most helpful and other men trying to break the code may be futile....so spit up ladies...what songs would draw you in? what songs would send you running away? I would avoid TAAB I since it sounds to me like a very son with father issues sort of treatise. But I could also see the neutering of all Tull and playing oblivious to any subtle or blatant gender divide in what makes who like what, regardless of posture whilst urinating.
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Post by futureshock on Jan 9, 2013 23:03:06 GMT
These three seemed like early options:
Benefit Roots To Branches Songs From The Wood
(if the question baffles you, imagine being offered $100 if you can a total stranger, aged 22 to 92 (female), like Tull before the weekend. This is based on generalities, not particular songs so much.)
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 9, 2013 23:18:30 GMT
I'd offer the woman $50 to play along.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 9, 2013 23:27:15 GMT
I'm genuinely flummoxed by the question and even more curious by how some of you came to the answers It's absurd and patronising to define musical taste by gender. If your trying to get someone to like Tull I'd suggest concentrating on what type of Tull they'd like ie rock/folk etc
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 9, 2013 23:45:39 GMT
Well there is some science involved...I mean...I'm qualified to report on woman who came into my life Tull-free and left with some favorite Tull songs /albums... I could do the same for men or all people as well....so based on all that...There ARE patterns.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 9, 2013 23:58:59 GMT
Of course...when I think back...the Tull albums that impressed female Tull virgins in my life are not the one's I guessed above....Secret Language and Crest scored high...but Crest scores high with Tull virgins of both genders on first impression...a college girlfriend like Heavy Horses and hated MITG.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 10, 2013 8:15:39 GMT
Would everyone please explain what process your using to make these choices of songs. I'm not suggesting anything negative here, I'm just really curious as I'm sure as any female viewing this thread is however you can't ignore the use of stereotyping by the very nature of the thread.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 10, 2013 8:22:35 GMT
Well there is some science involved...I mean...I'm qualified to report on woman who came into my life Tull-free and left with some favorite Tull songs /albums... I could do the same for men or all people as well....so based on all that...There ARE patterns. The only pattern I see is what makes the individual tick when it comes to music and that's made up of a lot more than gender.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 10, 2013 8:31:47 GMT
Passion Play: Really shows that you are a serious music lover and can pick a "one in a million" serious piece of work.
Benefit: I never fail to marvel at IA's songwriting on this album, considering his age at the time, and believe everyone, male & female, should also enjoy the experience.
TAAB (1 & 2): Proves that even the musicians now regarded as dinosaurs can revisit a masterpiece and write intelligent music far beyond the capabilities expected. If just for that, everyone should listen to both TAABs at least once.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 10, 2013 16:21:53 GMT
My only criteria has been raw data...I can't think of any pre-conceived, gender-based parameters to predict response to music...I mean, even blatant mysoginists ( Eminem, Axl Rose) have plenty of female fans) so my only response to this innocent question is to think back and remember how women who weren't already Tull fans reacted to the Niagra falls of Tull music they got from me....the sample size is rather small...I'm not in the Julio Iglesias, Russle Brand, Bhagwan league of women in my life.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 10, 2013 17:10:52 GMT
It's my opinion that the thread is making a statement based on stereotype. It's assuming that there is a gender issue in music.
Are there some songs or type of music that's more suited to women and if so why?
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Post by onewhiteduck on Jan 10, 2013 18:08:03 GMT
It's my opinion that the thread is making a statement based on stereotype. It's assuming that there is a gender issue in music. Are there some songs or type of music that's more suited to women and if so why? [The members of "The People's Front of Judea" are sitting in the amphitheatre. Stan has just announced that he wants to be a woman and wants to be called "Loretta," and is explaining why.] Stan: I want to have babies. Reg: You want to have babies?!?! Stan: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them. Reg: But ... you can't HAVE babies! Stan: Don't you oppress me! Reg: I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 10, 2013 18:21:12 GMT
Can I have a womb with a view?
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Post by journeyman on Mar 11, 2013 16:38:36 GMT
The predicament of this thread is sort of ridiculous--I know women who don't like Tull specfically because they are not metal enough. I know women who don't like Tull because they are too hard rock.
I am now editing my message for the purpose of not seeming too harsh, but women liking Tull is not dependent on the fact they are women, it is dependent on their individual personality. Either a person likes Tull or they don't. It's a matter of individual perspective.
I am a male and have no particular affinity for feminism, and I realize that the female generally has different preferences as opposed to the male, but I cannot sympathize with the purpose of this thread.
Tull for females? Come on. Tull is for whoever likes Tull.
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Post by tullist on Mar 11, 2013 17:33:51 GMT
Tend to agree, though to be sure, thank the heavens above, women are moved by different prompts than men. But at the apex, in 72, there was no shortage of fans. I would estimate about 45 of us went to the Brick tour, roughly half girls. Additionally right up thru Brick, I do not think Ian's music was as readily accessable until it was no longer something that was likely to be heard unless you were looking for it, say around Divinities which I can easily see having cross appeal, ditto all of his solo works after this point, some of the greatest work of his career, though poorly acknowledged. I don't think the Passion Play, Back Door Angels lunging about with maybe overly dramatic singing or huge slices of the more prog or hard rock elements of Minstrel were attracting as many ladies, a period when Ian came as close to the rock star trap as ever.
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 11, 2013 17:55:49 GMT
I swear my posts on this topic were all egg...no chicken...I totally agree that musical tastes and Tull songs and albums have no gender and their is no reasonable criteria for predicting anyone's response to Tull based on anything: gender, age,nationality, IQ.......I completely believe music response is magic not science and have always noticed that any 'if you like this you might like that: algorithm has been useless for me....but....if I am asked to look back at my own life and report results of female response to Tull...from my limited but pure data...that is...women (and men) have come into my life having heard little or no Tull and soon after have heard much Tull...I don't see anything wrong with spitting out the limited, unscientific but maybe interesting data...and if it helps one Tull fan generate a successful introduction to another person, male female or alien...I'm glad I spit up. It would be easier to post on what NOT to play first !
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 11, 2013 19:39:37 GMT
And following another 'I'm not a sexist' treatise, an example of an individual song that I think a certain type of woman * may understand: Acres Wild
* MY type.
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Post by journeyman on Mar 11, 2013 19:57:09 GMT
The comments since my last post have points in themselves, but still, I insist I have known, and been good friends, with women who would deny any sort of song such as "Acres Wild" or any of the songs that would theoretically identify with women, but would rather prefer Motorhead.
It's all subjective. In the interest of female Tull fans, it's better to leave it to the individual.
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 11, 2013 20:13:38 GMT
I know you're right...but I keep kicking and screaming.
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Post by tullist on Mar 11, 2013 23:32:24 GMT
The comments since my last post have points in themselves, but still, I insist I have known, and been good friends, with women who would deny any sort of song such as "Acres Wild" or any of the songs that would theoretically identify with women, but would rather prefer Motorhead. It's all subjective. In the interest of female Tull fans, it's better to leave it to the individual. The popularity of heavy metal generally over the past 30 years or more has been anything but a positive to my mind, (though developments, such as the eastern European band that opened for Tull a few years back with the female lead singer that is essentially metal, but with a brain and musicality, may show there are non Ozzy/Black Sabbath/Metallica inventions that may be of more interest to me ) and truly with some measure of respect to Lemmy, I know he is awfully good at what he does and is the last word in survivors, I actually saw him with Hawkwind in 74, and even saw the mighty Sabs in 72, a near cartoon on stage, and the last word in unhip at the height of their creativity, or whatever hamhocked hands thing they were doin there. I literally knew of no female fans for them, particularly nice looking ones. Thereby have not been particularly pleased to see how much that has changed in the past 30 years, babes galore at metal shows, though not dressed or comporting themselves in a way that I find in the least appealing. Well maybe in the least, I am human after all, depends, but overall a crass de evolution. Maybe the music or costuming seem manly to them, not sure, don't care, bring on the Russian girls.
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Post by Teacher on Mar 11, 2013 23:58:30 GMT
This is crazy! I just started reading this thread and it just makes me wonder. I'm pretty sure what I like in Tull music is not what another woman would like. I don't think all men like the same songs. I think if you like a certain album or song and you want to share it with someone, it is a gift you give that person. It is like sharing who you are. Isn't that what it's all about?
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Post by JTull 007 on Mar 12, 2013 1:05:46 GMT
This is crazy! I just started reading this thread and it just makes me wonder. I'm pretty sure what I like in Tull music is not what another woman would like. I don't think all men like the same songs. I think if you like a certain album or song and you want to share it with someone, it is a gift you give that person. It is like sharing who you are. Isn't that what it's all about? Well said. I know there are many Tull Chicks that like the Heavy Tull just as much as we Macho Tull Dudes. Then again, I get all tingly with the emotional acoustic side as well. It varies from year to year. When you first get exposed to Tull, it may take a few plays before you realize what it is all about. As far as albums go, it is very hard to predict what will strike your personality and gender. I'm just glad there are more 'Tull Ladies' today than ever before. Shake it, don't break it...
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Post by ccola on Mar 12, 2013 2:46:12 GMT
This is crazy! I just started reading this thread and it just makes me wonder. I'm pretty sure what I like in Tull music is not what another woman would like. I don't think all men like the same songs. I think if you like a certain album or song and you want to share it with someone, it is a gift you give that person. It is like sharing who you are. Isn't that what it's all about? Well said. I know there are many Tull Chicks that like the Heavy Tull just as much as we Macho Tull Dudes. Then again, I get all tingly with the emotional acoustic side as well. It varies from year to year. When you first get exposed to Tull, it may take a few plays before you realize what it is all about. As far as albums go, it is very hard to predict what will strike your personality and gender. I'm just glad there are more 'Tull Ladies' today than ever before. Shake it, don't break it... You the macho hahaha, very funny. I enjoy much your emotional humour!
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