tullist
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Post by tullist on Mar 10, 2013 16:24:33 GMT
I have a notion that even Ian Anderson does not know what he meant by several of the lines on this record, it is where this recording and the one's on either side of it fail, Ian Anderson "Trying to Be", as opposed to just being. As a fallen Tull fan friend from 1975 mentioned upon hearing Minstrel, "it is guilty of excess verbage." Yeah. We get it, you know sexual innuendo, big words, and are from the UK. Just deal baby. "Stole surreptitiously into her geography revision", or "Big Bottle Fraulein", not two of IA's finer moments, I know what he is reaching for, its name in part is James Joyce circa Ulysses, but those line's ain't happenin. By way of being a sanctified Tull pervert I may of course consider any of those albums their finest moment on the right listen but...not usually.
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 10, 2013 22:40:49 GMT
The examining body examined her body is nice...no?
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Post by treeborn on Mar 16, 2013 19:40:33 GMT
Do lyrics have to have relivance /make sense/rhyme ,can they not be in part improvising along with the music becomming part of the whole with the music & the music not being a medium for a nice little ditty/story.
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 16, 2013 20:23:18 GMT
I agree...some of the best lyrocs are just plain words strung together in a way that has not come before.
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Post by hardliner on Mar 18, 2013 17:16:47 GMT
The live snippets of APP on the 25th anniversary boxed set sound very impressive. Could their be more recordings of this period when Ians singing was tremendous,as were the band of course.
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 19, 2013 18:35:13 GMT
Tiny snippet, right? From when they opened in 1975 with Wind Up-Lover of the Black and White....now strong was that...seemingly picking up where they left us in 1973. Has any band ever touched JT live in 1975 ?
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Post by hardliner on Apr 5, 2013 11:54:14 GMT
When will us fans hear the full live recording from that special year for JT? It must exist somewhere in the Tull vaults.
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Post by bunkerfan on Jun 18, 2013 18:53:50 GMT
I had a good listen to 'A Passion Play' today and I think the present Ian Anderson band members would be able to pull off a live version of this Tull classic. Ian being supported by Ryan on vocals, Florian (A great guitarist who I think would relish the challenge), David (maybe not as active as Jeffrey H H but still a fantastic bass player) , Scott (A fine drummer who works so hard to get every beat right) and John (with his his musical talent and of course that great sounding Hammond). This combination I think would make 'A Passion Play' live possible. Anyone agree?
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Post by JTull 007 on Jun 18, 2013 19:26:37 GMT
I had a good listen to 'A Passion Play' today and I think the present Ian Anderson band members would be able to pull off a live version of this Tull classic. Ian being supported by Ryan on vocals, Florian (A great guitarist who I think would relish the challenge), David (maybe not as active as Jeffrey H H but still a fantastic bass player) , Scott (A fine drummer who works so hard to get every beat right) and John (with his his musical talent and of course that great sounding Hammond). This combination I think would make 'A Passion Play' live possible. Anyone agree? All of your points are quite logical. The only one who may disagree is Ian. If he can get over his fear that no one would like it. Maybe time has healed some of those fears since he was able to read "The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles" in recent years. I still think the next album will surprise everyone like never before. This could be a whole new "Concept".
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 18, 2013 21:06:49 GMT
As opposed to what, Mr Bunkerfan, 'a bad listen' to APP ? Get serious. But anyway....let's not hold our breath on APP live....we'll die.
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Post by bunkerfan on Jun 19, 2013 10:03:33 GMT
As opposed to what, Mr Bunkerfan, 'a bad listen' to APP ? Get serious. But anyway....let's not hold our breath on APP live....we'll die. OK, I'll rephrase that. "I really enjoyed (as always ) listening to 'A Passion Play'" That better Mr Steelmonkey?
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 19, 2013 16:21:16 GMT
Okay...that's better ( The Tull Police never Sleep, never Sleep). If we can't be orthodox here in the temple, what can we expect from the unenlightened masses ?
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Post by Tull50 on Jun 19, 2013 21:03:08 GMT
I had a good listen to 'A Passion Play' today and I think the present Ian Anderson band members would be able to pull off a live version of this Tull classic. Ian being supported by Ryan on vocals, Florian (A great guitarist who I think would relish the challenge), David (maybe not as active as Jeffrey H H but still a fantastic bass player) , Scott (A fine drummer who works so hard to get every beat right) and John (with his his musical talent and of course that great sounding Hammond). This combination I think would make 'A Passion Play' live possible. Anyone agree? All of your points are quite logical. The only one who may disagree is Ian. If he can get over his fear that no one would like it. Maybe time has healed some of those fears since he was able to read "The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles" in recent years. I still think the next album will surprise everyone like never before. This could be a whole new "Concept". I totally agree with bunkerfan, this band is more than capable to play the full A Passion Play, and I think it would be as big a success as the current tour, I do not think Ian Anderson be afraid to play again A Passion Play, simply was ahead of its time, I think Tull fans now are the usual, and some young people more. I always thought that maybe Tull fans hear the music differently than other fans of other groups, something that makes us different. Despite harsh criticism in the past for my APP always been a masterpiece, in my early days as a Tull fan was my favorite album, I still think that critics are crap (perhaps frustrated musicians) and I don't usually read them, listen and give my own opinion. APP today would be a success like this TAAB tour, I just think for the moment Ian has other things on his mind, we see that the future holds, I hope like Jim says about the new album "This Could be a whole new" Concept ".
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Post by Teacher on Jun 20, 2013 0:26:42 GMT
I know this band could play APP live and I would so love to see it. I think the problem is Ian and the saxophone. He hates it, and there is a lot of saxophone in APP. I don't think it would sound the same without it. I'm up for anything though, old, new or in between.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 20, 2013 2:30:24 GMT
I would be the very first one to line up at the amputation station to sacrifice an arm and leg to see APP live ( again, i may add with a bit of brag), but let's be realistic....TAAB II was way plenty more than we expected and deserved...all of the first TAAB live, twice and change around the world was a longshot a few years ago and Ian pinky promising he's written and booked studio time for a new, very rock and roll, concept album...well, you get my drift....we better not be too greedy and too optimistic and anyway, they're not gonna perform all of A Passion Play...maybe a little ? That would be nice...the Passion Jig threatened to steal the show from much longer songs and the reading of 'Hare' was a highlight of an Ian tour...so, yeah, let's hope the current band performs something from the Play/Chateau era in honor of remix/re-release...and so now we come to the point of all this: Go ahead Ian...I DARE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 20, 2013 9:19:15 GMT
I would be the very first one to line up at the amputation station to sacrifice an arm and leg to see APP live ( again, i may add with a bit of brag), but let's be realistic....TAAB II was way plenty more than we expected and deserved...all of the first TAAB live, twice and change around the world was a longshot a few years ago and Ian pinky promising he's written and booked studio time for a new, very rock and roll, concept album...well, you get my drift....we better not be too greedy and too optimistic and anyway, they're not gonna perform all of A Passion Play...maybe a little ? That would be nice...the Passion Jig threatened to steal the show from much longer songs and the reading of 'Hare' was a highlight of an Ian tour...so, yeah, let's hope the current band performs something from the Play/Chateau era in honor of remix/re-release...and so now we come to the point of all this: Go ahead Ian...I DARE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Well I for one will be very interested in IA's thoughts about APP in an up-and-coming issue of Record Collector that Old Webby mentioned here a week or so ago. I know this band could play APP live and I would so love to see it. I think the problem is Ian and the saxophone. He hates it, and there is a lot of saxophone in APP. I don't think it would sound the same without it. I'm up for anything though, old, new or in between. I wonder whether in this day an age if the saxophone parts could be "sequenced" (I think that's the word) on the keyboards to get over the problem of playing the saxophone live on stage. If that could be done then that would get over IA having to play the instrument on stage - after all some of the "squeezy thing from hell" parts are now played via the keyboards. Well worth investigating I would have thought.
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Post by Tull50 on Jun 20, 2013 17:28:32 GMT
I would be the very first one to line up at the amputation station to sacrifice an arm and leg to see APP live ( again, i may add with a bit of brag), but let's be realistic....TAAB II was way plenty more than we expected and deserved...all of the first TAAB live, twice and change around the world was a longshot a few years ago and Ian pinky promising he's written and booked studio time for a new, very rock and roll, concept album...well, you get my drift....we better not be too greedy and too optimistic and anyway, they're not gonna perform all of A Passion Play...maybe a little ? That would be nice...the Passion Jig threatened to steal the show from much longer songs and the reading of 'Hare' was a highlight of an Ian tour...so, yeah, let's hope the current band performs something from the Play/Chateau era in honor of remix/re-release...and so now we come to the point of all this: Go ahead Ian...I DARE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Well I for one will be very interested in IA's thoughts about APP in an up-and-coming issue of Record Collector that Old Webby mentioned here a week or so ago. I know this band could play APP live and I would so love to see it. I think the problem is Ian and the saxophone. He hates it, and there is a lot of saxophone in APP. I don't think it would sound the same without it. I'm up for anything though, old, new or in between. I wonder whether in this day an age if the saxophone parts could be "sequenced" (I think that's the word) on the keyboards to get over the problem of playing the saxophone live on stage. If that could be done then that would get over IA having to play the instrument on stage - after all some of the "squeezy thing from hell" parts are now played via the keyboards. Well worth investigating I would have thought. Of course sax parts can be sequenced, indeed many parts of flute, and even mandolin have been sequenced in other Tull concerts. Ian recently explained flute parts are pre-recorded live, because it can not play the flute and sing at the same time. Then the sax not be a problem, can also hire a musician for these parts, but I think Ian was not in favor of making extra expenses... Uploaded by marcomolinari1 Where is the mandolin?
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Post by maddogfagin on Jun 20, 2013 17:35:12 GMT
Where is the mandolin? Yeah get your drift. So that's the saxophone problem solved Ian
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Post by Teacher on Jun 21, 2013 0:39:05 GMT
Where is the mandolin? Yeah get your drift. So that's the saxophone problem solved Ian OK, all points well made. Let's get Ryan some saxophone lessons and on with the show! And while I'm dreaming (as I often do), I'll take a front row seat!
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Post by bunkerfan on Jun 21, 2013 6:03:26 GMT
Yeah get your drift. So that's the saxophone problem solved Ian OK, all points well made. Let's get Ryan some saxophone lessons and on with the show! And while I'm dreaming (as I often do), I'll take a front row seat! Ryan on sax that's the answer. Well done teacher, but I've heard those straight sax's take a lot of effort to play so I hope Ryan has a strong pair of lungs.
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Post by angusprune on Aug 4, 2013 22:13:06 GMT
So whilst Ryan's busy learning the sax, how about trying to coax Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond out of retirement to read The Story of The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles?
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Post by futureshock on Aug 5, 2013 5:02:36 GMT
If the album isn't going to make it to the stage as a complete unit, then presenting some sections of it as "A Passion Play Light" might work. Then it's a 23-minute deal, not something that takes over the whole song list for the evening. Have a giant "hare" balloon outside the venue. Sell certificates at the gigs, certifying that the person has found his spectacles and has a spare pair.
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 5, 2013 8:44:23 GMT
... "A Passion Play Light" might work. Then it's a 23-minute deal, not something that takes over the whole song list for the evening. Have a giant "hare" balloon outside the venue. Sell certificates at the gigs, certifying that the person has found his spectacles and has a spare pair. I do like the cut of your gib
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Post by JTull 007 on Aug 5, 2013 13:26:33 GMT
I've found her! The new "Passion Play" Ballerina. Hubba, hubba... "She laid her head upon my disbelief and bathed me with her ever-smile."
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 5, 2013 19:00:49 GMT
Wouldn't a nice bite of APP be nice ? 'Lover of the Black and White', as the second song...or second part of first song with 'how'd you dare to tell me' from Wind-Up....was the hottest opener ever (in 1975). And the whole thing of starting with Wind Up...where the last two tours ended...was nothing short of stunning.
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Post by bunkerfan on Aug 5, 2013 19:39:05 GMT
Wouldn't a nice bite of APP be nice ? 'Lover of the Black and White', as the second song...or second part of first song with 'how'd you dare to tell me' from Wind-Up....was the hottest opener ever (in 1975). And the whole thing of starting with Wind Up...where the last two tours ended...was nothing short of stunning. I'm with you all the way on this one Mr Steelmonkey.
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Post by bunkerfan on Aug 5, 2013 19:44:13 GMT
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Post by JTull 007 on Aug 5, 2013 21:26:44 GMT
This ballerina has played for Tull, although not as a ballerina. "Such a sense of glowing in the aftermath, ripe with rich attainments all imagined"
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Post by Tull50 on Aug 5, 2013 21:41:34 GMT
Jim, perhaps the violinist is the not- ballerina?
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Post by JTull 007 on Aug 5, 2013 22:59:14 GMT
Jim, perhaps the violinist is the not- ballerina? I still want her on the cover of the next "A Passion Play" 5.1 Audio Remaster 2014 Remy is correct... She is Unnur Birna Bassadóttir
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