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Post by treeborn on Apr 21, 2012 18:35:38 GMT
IS RONNIE PILGRIM THE ALIAS/PEN NAME OF GERALD THE EX MP WHO HAS JUST MOVED INTO THE OLD RECTORY? DOES HE DIE & GO TO HELL/HEAVEN IN THE PASSION PLAY AND SEE`S ALL THE OTHER POSSIBLE GERALD`S? GERALD THE HOMELESS IS ESCORTED BY A BAND OF `GENTLE`MEN.GERALD THE `MEMORY `BANKER.MADGE MAKING TEA & BAKING BREAD FOR GERALD THE STATION MASTER .WHILE G(GERALD)ODDIE & SON IS THE CHORISTER.THE MILITARY MAN IS HARDER TO FIND BUT I RECKON HE IS OWL WHO HAVING BEEN IN THE FORCES NOW SITS ON THE FENCE WHILE KANGAROO(ARMY),NEWT(NAVY) & BEE(AIR FORCE) STICK THEIR NOSES INTO OTHER COUNTRIES(HARE) BUISNESS WHERE IT NOT WANTED BECAUSE HE HAD A SPARE PAIRRRR ,A PAIRRR.OR AM I JUST SKATING AWAY ON THE THIN ICE OF A NEW DAY?
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Post by snaffler on Apr 22, 2012 10:51:14 GMT
IS RONNIE PILGRIM THE ALIAS/PEN NAME OF GERALD THE EX MP WHO HAS JUST MOVED INTO THE OLD RECTORY? DOES HE DIE & GO TO HELL/HEAVEN IN THE PASSION PLAY AND SEE`S ALL THE OTHER POSSIBLE GERALD`S? GERALD THE HOMELESS IS ESCORTED BY A BAND OF `GENTLE`MEN.GERALD THE `MEMORY `BANKER.MADGE MAKING TEA & BAKING BREAD FOR GERALD THE STATION MASTER .WHILE G(GERALD)ODDIE & SON IS THE CHORISTER.THE MILITARY MAN IS HARDER TO FIND BUT I RECKON HE IS OWL WHO HAVING BEEN IN THE FORCES NOW SITS ON THE FENCE WHILE KANGAROO(ARMY),NEWT(NAVY) & BEE(AIR FORCE) STICK THEIR NOSES INTO OTHER COUNTRIES(HARE) BUISNESS WHERE IT NOT WANTED BECAUSE HE HAD A SPARE PAIRRRR ,A PAIRRR.OR AM I JUST SKATING AWAY ON THE THIN ICE OF A NEW DAY? you need help!!!!!!
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Post by treeborn on Apr 22, 2012 17:07:47 GMT
I KNOW .IS THERE NOT MORE TO LIFE THAN JUST THE LONG SONG I MAY BE TOOOOO OLD TO ROCK & ROLL BUT I I AM NOT DEAD
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Post by futureshock on Jan 5, 2013 9:33:43 GMT
As for the idea of monkeying around with Passion Play, I say take the hint from the dead and bury that idea. Excuse me I'm terribly bored with writing music, in fact I think I'll rewrite the thesaurus to make it rhyme and call it A Passion Play 2. Blinky the magic toad from yellow submarine land said he's got room in his LSD budget to buy more 1970's acid rock crepe suzettes and the star spangled banner shall rule with all the fury of Fred McMurray once again. It's a gigariffic spliff, dude. Don't go there. Monsanto bought the rights to the 1970's and the entire decade has has mule carcass DNA grafted onto its headstone. Zombie guards are heavily de-armed.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 5, 2013 18:45:55 GMT
....into the ever Pasion Play......AY
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Post by treeborn on Jan 20, 2013 12:04:38 GMT
Sorry if Futureshock feels hes had his cage rattled.Passion Play happens to be my most esteemed Tull recording.It was just an observation as I said it took me ages to work out where Gerald the Military Man was hiding ,perhaps he was in the SAS? Choppers were needed in the desert on TAAB 2.
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Post by futureshock on Jan 22, 2013 6:09:41 GMT
I think Passion Play 1 is a terrific album, in Tull's top 5 by any measure. I'm fine with them remixing it if they can deliver far more depth and detail, but not as another record company hoax in the "let's market more remixing crap for the die-hards with no discrimination who'll buy anything" agenda. And I'm totally against a Passion Play 2 attempt. Clearly, APP1 got to great heights as a very assertive organic group effort and Tull's current lineup is a "jobber" team, a "best of" only group that has never shown signs of creativity matching anything Tull did previous to Roots to Branches, and on that one, Andrew Giddings strong work was a major influence, to which the current lineup has no match. APP1 was a peak effort of creativity. Besides, didn't the bloke in APP1 die already? If as "Tull" or an Ian Anderson next effort, my totally remote and often totally uniformed opinion is for the effort to be on a new exploration. One more tangent-casting thing: any money spent on a APP1 remix is going to tie up time and important money that will hinder creativity on other projects. Bad idea. And are Tull fans really crying out now that APP1's current version has bad sound quality? No.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 22, 2013 16:21:16 GMT
No APP alumni in the boneyard except David Palmer's male persona....I agree...wouldn't spend another penny on 're-mix, deluxe, etc' without NEW MUSIC PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED....which is doubtful..I think they emptied the APP scraps into 20 year and Nightcap....but who knows....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 21:49:56 GMT
And who comes here to wish me well? APP with a 5.1 mix & all the outtakes. ...and so I'm dead, what a wonderful dream. Don't wake me.
(not a wish away)
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 23, 2013 12:27:19 GMT
And who comes here to wish me well?APP with a 5.1 mix & all the outtakes. ...and so I'm dead, what a wonderful dream. Don't wake me. (not a wish away) To be honest, I really don't want anyone messing around with Passion Play. You can't improve on perfection. And in any case, it begs the question that if there had been any worthwhile out-takes IA would have probably put them on Nightcap. If it ain't broke - don't fix it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 13:54:03 GMT
Repeat - of interest - makes for a nice CDR. Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick or A Passion Play? forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/jethro-tull-thick-as-a-brick-or-a-passion-play.145370/page-5Jethro Tull's Chateau D'Isaster album 1972 forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/jethro-tulls-chateau-disaster-album-1972.51594/Thanks to yesstiles Hello all-
Since we've been talking about A Passion Play, I thought I'd follow up on my mention of their aborted Chateau D'Isaster album. I think I've figured out how this album was to be constructed, giving that the order presented to us on "Nightcap" certainly is not the original order or complete recording. Fans know that in late '72 Tull recorded 3 sides of a double album before scrapping the project. Ultimately, Ian only allowed about 70% of it released on Nightcap in 1993 and presented it in an order better suited to his critical and subjective ear. Another 10% was released on the Warchild album in 1974. Because this music is my favorite of all Tull music, except for A Passion Play Side 2 and Baker St. Muse, I've been searching for the identity of this album for a while. This is how I think it was meant to be:
Chateau D'Isaster
Side 1 (22 min)
1. Prelude 2. Scenario 3. Audition 4. Skating Away (On the Thin Ice of the New Day) 5. Sailor 6. No Rehearsal
Side 2 (22 min)
1. First Post 2. Animelee 3. Tiger Toon 4. Look at the Animals 5. Law of the Bungle 6. Law of the Bungle Part II 7. Bungle in the Jungle (without strings)
Side 3 (21 min)
1. Left Right 2. Solitaire 3. Critique Oblique 4. Post Last
Side 4 (?? min)
Unrecorded
Well, having the bootleg that contains the very rare additions Prelude, Skating Away, and Sailor, as well as the altered versions of Scenario, Audition and No Rehearsal all helps to make more sense of the album. It also provides more enjoyment and gives a better cohesive feel to listenings. The 3 recorded sides all have similar lyrical content and musical segues. Side 1 carries the God and Theatre concept, Side 2 has the Man and Animal concept, and Side 3 has the Man and Critic concept. Side 4 - who knows? I believe that Bungle in the Jungle was written for this album, but possibly not recorded until the Warchild sessions. So it may have been placed on Side 4 if they hadn't abandoned the project. Obviously, since it contains the word "bungle" like two other songs on this album, it must have been meant to be placed somewhere here. Side 2, at only 18 minutes (without Bungle in the Jungle) and the side containing the other "bungle" songs is also a real possibility, so I included it there. Personally, since Side 1 of A Passion Play contains many musical elements of this album, I like to think the last 19 minutes of A Passion Play (Side 2 following the Hare story) would be the perfect Side 4 to Chateau D'Isaster. If presented in 1973 as a double album with the above order and Side 2 of APP as Side 4 of Chateau, it would have been the ultimate and by far best Tull album; a true prog classic! Some of you have been used to hearing Scenario/Audition/No Rehearsal all in a row and at the end of the album, but I think they were originally to be placed near the front. Ian I'm sure knew that fans were familiar with those pieces from the 20th Anniversary box set, so he placed them at the end of the cd; also to leave the end on a better note, since they actually never completed the end of the album. Also, Scenario and Audition are connected without a true break, whereas No Rehearsal does have a second or two of silence. Additionally, each Side I've presented has songs that contain no audible breaks between them (for the most part), but do have breaks between the proposed Sides. So that reinforces my position as well. Well, hopefully I've piqued the curiosity of those who love this period of Jethro Tull and the rest just delete the overly long thread. Any thoughts anyone?
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 23, 2013 16:00:51 GMT
Nice exercise rebuilding the puzzle but i bet there are HUGE missing pieces.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 24, 2013 9:06:48 GMT
Nice exercise rebuilding the puzzle but i bet there are HUGE missing pieces. You could be right although IA always stated in interviews we'd never get to hear "Sailor" but we did via a bootleg of the tape sent out to the Chrysalis head honchos at the time. My guess is that any additional music items are only studio noodlings and half finished demos but I would think any studio chatter would be interesting to hear.
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Post by treeborn on Jan 25, 2013 10:41:30 GMT
My original idea was not to create a debate on whether APP should be remixed/rewriiten/played with /done in 5.1/mono/quad /holographic acid dropping sound.But that there could be a "link"in the loosest terms between TAAB1,TAAB2,& APP.Who knows the returning Ronnie could be a Warchild or The Minstrel in the Gallery or maybe even(I believe) Ray Lomaz? P.S. I always listen to my vinyl version of APP purchased as soon as the independant record shop Red House Records in Cambridge opened on the day of release.It is still as involving now as it was then,even with the clicks and pops,now whos changing subjects?
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 25, 2013 16:40:35 GMT
Didn't Max Quad show up on APP and TAAB...then and now? Ian's got all kinds of characters in the warehouse who could join Gerald for a reprise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 17:16:56 GMT
Excuse me. My original idea was not to create a debate on whether APP should be remixed/rewriiten/played with /done in 5.1/mono/quad /holographic acid dropping sound.But that there could be a "link"in the loosest terms between TAAB1,TAAB2,& APP.Who knows the returning Ronnie could be a Warchild or The Minstrel in the Gallery or maybe even(I believe) Ray Lomaz? P.S. I always listen to my vinyl version of APP purchased as soon as the independant record shop Red House Records in Cambridge opened on the day of release.It is still as involving now as it was then,even with the clicks and pops,now whos changing subjects? Sorry for the stray Play. My first vinyl record sounds wonderful, snaps, pops & a little crackle aside. Sue me, I prefer the Mobile Fidelity gold CD these days. Canadian, eh. APP & TAAB connected? Tell me more> Cheers!
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 25, 2013 17:22:21 GMT
APP would sound good played with a fingernail stylus on a garbage can top while sitting on a bed of nails in hell...But it would be fun to hear it on top quality stereo ( surround?) with up to the moment technology and masterful mix.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 17:39:36 GMT
APP would sound good played with a fingernail stylus on a garbage can top while sitting on a bed of nails in hell...But it would be fun to hear it on top quality stereo ( surround?) with up to the moment technology and masterful mix. GREAT hell! Nice description. Right! ...for a change. NO! Whistles blow and flags wave.
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Post by treeborn on Jan 26, 2013 14:02:18 GMT
Played APP last night at 11.30pm sounded as good as ever,but late at night listening always sounds good must be less ambient noise about.Or may the "wee" nightcap influenced my hearing.Agree top end Hi Fi would be a dream to listen to APP on,any suggestions for a system if I win the lottery tonight with the Mulberry address numbers?
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 26, 2013 14:22:16 GMT
Played APP last night at 11.30pm sounded as good as ever,but late at night listening always sounds good must be less ambient noise about.Or may the "wee" nightcap influenced my hearing.Agree top end Hi Fi would be a dream to listen to APP on,any suggestions for a system if I win the lottery tonight with the Mulberry address numbers? If you win the lottery tonight with the Mulberry address numbers - you don't need advice on a system but be careful Ian might want a cut
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 26, 2013 17:31:40 GMT
If you're playing the california lottery you'll only get half a jackpot...I've been using the Mulberry st numbers once a week for the past few months plus '23'.
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Post by treeborn on Jan 27, 2013 14:55:36 GMT
Never won the lottery last night,so will not be able to afford to persuade Ian to do a special APP concert for Forum members.
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Post by treeborn on Mar 2, 2013 15:28:44 GMT
Tull album covers have got various representaions of Gerald Bostock in his possible lives as on TAAB2 I have decided.For example Aqualung could be Gerald the down and out at extremes of his possible lives.Warchild needs no explaing as to which Gerald that is.Minstrel is the Reverand Gerald in the pulpit whilst Heavy Horses has a representation of an ordinary man doing an honest days work.Too Old To Rock & Rolls Ray is the whizz kid banker with the albums cover showing exactly what the banks think of there clients.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 2, 2013 15:51:07 GMT
Tull album covers have got various representaions of Gerald Bostock in his possible lives as on TAAB2 I have decided.For example Aqualung could be Gerald the down and out at extremes of his possible lives.Warchild needs no explaing as to which Gerald that is.Minstrel is the Reverand Gerald in the pulpit whilst Heavy Horses has a representation of an ordinary man doing an honest days work.Too Old To Rock & Rolls Ray is the whizz kid banker with the albums cover showing exactly what the banks think of there clients. Excellent - I like that!
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 2, 2013 16:36:48 GMT
I think ian is probably fleshing out one of his original 'Gerald' ideas, perhaps the original 'later that same gerald life' idea that got pushed aside...Gerald the politician.
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Post by treeborn on Mar 2, 2013 16:44:30 GMT
Gerald the politician is mentioned I reckon in APP1/TAAB3 ,when Ian sings of the13 horses that also ran (other candidates)climbing in the big umbrella(covered by the protection of Parliamentry privillage & The Sun(newspaper in inverted commas) never left him alone.
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Post by JTull 007 on Mar 2, 2013 17:07:57 GMT
Although there may be subliminal ideas between APP and TAAB 3, I would resist a direct link. Ian is using his own theories to tell a concept of growing up and getting older. APP is all about the afterlife and the symbolism of heaven and hell. To me he mocks what we all are afraid of. See, death isn't as bad as we thought. Where's that ballerina?
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Post by treeborn on Mar 9, 2013 15:05:16 GMT
It is the Ice Cream Lady ,wetting her draws being a metaphor for lying on her back and dying
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 9, 2013 15:32:30 GMT
And is 'take the prize for instant pleasure' a boarding school...uh...self-gratification contest ?
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Post by treeborn on Mar 10, 2013 15:44:52 GMT
Re:An afterthought(on afterlife?)the ballerina could also be the little sister loosing whatever on the boney Georges shoulder?
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