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Post by aztullfan on Oct 18, 2019 23:31:14 GMT
Well, I had a chance to listen to the first two discs of the new set today. First of all, I should mention that I've always liked the album since it's 1979 release, but I always felt that it was a notch below the other two albums(Songs and Horses)in the "Folk Trilogy". Having said that, my first impressions upon listening is how superb this remix by Steven Wilson is, and how good the the unreleased tracks on CD#2 are. The extra songs from the 2003 remasters were among my favorite non-album Tull songs(Stitch in time/Broadford Bazaar/Kelpie) and they sound better then ever, but the unreleased songs on disc two are very good, and in some cases better then songs on the album proper. "Man of God" immediately stands out, but they are all quite good, and the early version of Dun Ringill is very interesting. Impressive!
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Post by rainbowblue on Oct 19, 2019 3:09:43 GMT
Well, I had a chance to listen to the first two discs of the new set today. First of all, I should mention that I've always liked the album since it's 1979 release, but I always felt that it was a notch below the other two albums(Songs and Horses)in the "Folk Trilogy". Having said that, my first impressions upon listening is how superb this remix by Steven Wilson is, and how good the the unreleased tracks on CD#2 are. The extra songs from the 2003 remasters were among my favorite non-album Tull songs(Stitch in time/Broadford Bazaar/Kelpie) and they sound better then ever, but the unreleased songs on disc two are very good, and in some cases better then songs on the album proper. "Man of God" immediately stands out, but they are all quite good, and the early version of Dun Ringill is very interesting. Impressive! Nice to hear! I have always loved Stormwatch, but never thought of it as part of a "trilogy". Always loved Stitch/Broadford/Kelpie, and I am particularly happy to get a good review of Man Of God, as it seems to have gotten a lukewarm reception so far. Anyway, can`t wait until Wednesday!!!!!
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Post by jethrotull on Oct 19, 2019 3:37:51 GMT
I just went to Amazon which showed one box set left in stock, $48.00 delivered Sunday. I ordered it. Stormwatch is definitely not one of my favorite Tull albums, but when you factor in the remastering, unreleased material, the concert and my love of the band, I couldn't resist. I have all of the box sets except for This Was and Too Old, each one brings back fond memories from my youth, of what was going on in my life when those albums came out and the concerts I attended on all of those tours.
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 19, 2019 6:26:25 GMT
Amazon are very fair with prices too MD, I am paying just under £30.00 for the CD/DVD, and with a guarantee of reduction if the price is lower, so surely this is good? Yes all is good but it does seem that Warners may have under estimated demand for Stormwatch or someone has mis-filed paperwork somewhere. The email that was sent by Burning Shed yesterday seems to imply this. It's strange that some Amazon sites list the album as unavailable while others have it in stock and in some instances orders were sent out before the official release date. Checked the sellers on ebay last night and low and behold many multiple copies of Stormwatch on offer, some at well over normal price before postage. Now I wonder why that is.
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Post by rainbowblue on Oct 19, 2019 13:25:42 GMT
Yes all is good but it does seem that Warners may have under estimated demand for Stormwatch or someone has mis-filed paperwork somewhere. The email that was sent by Burning Shed yesterday seems to imply this. It's strange that some Amazon sites list the album as unavailable while others have it in stock and in some instances orders were sent out before the official release date. Checked the sellers on ebay last night and low and behold many multiple copies of Stormwatch on offer, some at well over normal price before postage. Now I wonder why that is. For weeks the only copy of Stormwatch on ebay was one for $77. I ordered my copy last Sunday from deepdiscount for $50 because I couldn`t take the chance that I would not find it in a store. That`s how I missed out on SFTW. As soon as I ordered it I found multiple sellers on ebay that had as many as 10 copies available, cheaper than what I paid. I knew whatever decision I made, it would probably be the wrong one. How much did you pay for your copy, if I may ask?
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 19, 2019 13:50:30 GMT
Checked the sellers on ebay last night and low and behold many multiple copies of Stormwatch on offer, some at well over normal price before postage. Now I wonder why that is. For weeks the only copy of Stormwatch on ebay was one for $77. I ordered my copy last Sunday from deepdiscount for $50 because I couldn`t take the chance that I would not find it in a store. That`s how I missed out on SFTW. As soon as I ordered it I found multiple sellers on ebay that had as many as 10 copies available, cheaper than what I paid. I knew whatever decision I made, it would probably be the wrong one. How much did you pay for your copy, if I may ask? I was sent a copy by Warners a few weeks ago in lieu of the fact that I contributed to the book but for some reason I didn't get credit but . . . I also have copy on order with Burning Shed so we'll see what happens there as, up to now, they've been very reliable.
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 19, 2019 13:55:47 GMT
louderthanwar.com/jethro-tull-stormwatch-force-10-edition-album-review/Jethro Tull: Stormwatch Force 10 Edition – album reviewBy Mike Ainscoe -October 19, 20190 Facebook6TwitterPinterestMore1 jethro tull stormwatch JETHRO TULL: STORMWATCH 40TH ANNIVERSARY, FORCE 10 EDITION Chrysalis Records Deluxe 4CD/2DVD package Available 18th October The latest in the series of often spectacular Tull re-issues. Stormwatch is the album that they often call the third of the Tull folk rock trilogy and after Songs From The Wood and Heavy Horses (and their subsequent five star extended version in this series) it has a hard job to do. It’s an album much less rooted in the traditions of olde England than its predecessors, taking more of a focus on the environmental issues of the period. Tull go from the greenwood to the industries. The times they were a changin’ not only in the world in dealing with environmental and ecological issues but also in the world of Jethro Tull. Rumblings in the personnel department saw John Glascock take leave from the fold due to ill health with Ian Anderson taking up the bulk of the bass duties. Glascock’s subsequent death during the tour for the album a shocking tragedy shock for the whole Tull enterprise, his parting shot remaining on Orion, Flying Dutchman and the beautiful Elegy. So how has Steven Wilson done on the latest Tull offering as we move into the band’s mid history and after his sterling work on the early catalogue. First impressions are that we’ve got another of the superb packages to which we’ve now become accustomed. The hardback format with the six discs of goodness tucked into the inside covers and a huge booklet to ponder. In addition to a Palmer/Anderson track-by-track guides, the contents are a detailed read of an account of the recordings and touring of the era from Webb with contributions from Ian Anderson who’s again taken an active role in re-issues of what’s essentially his life’s work, and also from Martin Barre, Dave Pegg and Dee Palmer. They offer the sort of insightful commentary you’d expect from a staunch but objective (and probably slightly obsessive) fan, but I’ve always found the Webb/Rees writing partnership a pleasure to read from their work in A New Day magazine and its offshoots. And to the music. With a catalogue of work as strong as Tull’s, Stormwatch may not rank a favourite amongst many – neither the best nor their worst work but a decent mid table work – so there’s the obvious chance to reassess the album itself. One that often gets a raw deal, it’s new lease of life reveals a few pleasant reminders and surprises. At the sort of surprise in reminding us what a good track Old Ghosts is, necessitating several sessions with the track on loop along with the fact that Dun Ringill remains one of the iconic ‘acoustic’ Tull tracks. The harder rock of Something’s On The Move and the rare non-Anderson piece, David Palmer’s Elegy, that’s granted the honour as a soothing album closer. It may be that the higher profile numbers – North Sea Oil, Orion and the lengthy Dark Ages were the ones that would have stuck in the memory banks. There’s much less of the pastoral acoustic feel of the previous two albums and more of a steely cold starkness about these three key tracks, although aside from Dun Ringill, Home offers a rare breath of warmth. The disc of ‘associated recordings’ gathers odds and ends, some previously available so there’s a familiarity with songs from a fertile period such as kelpie, King Henry’s Madrigal and most people who buy this say will have their white vinyl 7” of A Stitch In Time. Broadford Bazaar that appeared on the Nightcap collection is always a pleasure although not ranking in the premier league of Tull songs. The Lyricon Blues reminding us that this was Jethro Tull, a nod back to their Mick Abrahams period before they finally kiss goodbye to the Seventies and amongst the ‘previously unreleased’ (officially) offerings, Man Of God (Anderson’s religious comments channelled on My God getting revamped) is a taught rocker. Similarly ‘unreleased’ gems include A Single Man which seems like another try at the successful formula that emerged with Locomotive Breath, the extended piano intro leading into a general uninspired band contribution. Urban Apocalypse is cut from the same cloth although you can literally feel the fire in a more inspired rendition. It may be a bit of a mist mash with a live version of Sweet Dream thrown in at the end, but all part and parcel of the wrapping up of goods from the era. The availability of decent concert recordings as we work our way along the Tull timeline sees a gig in Den Haag from March 1980 showcase Tull live at he start of the eighties. There’s an uninterrupted Stromwatch sequence to kick off the set, getting all the new stuff done in one fell swoop. The “we’re going to test your memories,” and we’re suddenly sitting on a park bench as Tull rip through the hits. There’s a batch of inevitable solo indulgence and a nice little folky section that includes Dave Pegg’s moment in the spotlight (aptly titled Peggy’s Pub) along with Jack In The green and the King Henry Madrigal, but it’s Thick As A Brick that seems to sway the Dutch. They holler and cheer like proper Americans through the acoustic intro although some might argue that it would struggle to meet the acoustic/electric riffs that make up Minstrel In The Gallery, especially when the stabs of organ make a move. It’s also the days when the set finished with the ambushers and before the shows started to end with the familiar strains of Cheerio, but as a live set it proves a fitting swan song for several seemingly well-set band members. Following the tour, Barriemore Barlow, John Evan and David Palmer left the band as Anderson proceeded with his solo project that ultimately became Tull’s A album and the boundaries between Ian Anderson the singer, flute player and acoustic guitarist and the band presence of Jethro Tull started to become blurred. An era had passed. The extra DVDs add 5.1 mixes and flat transfers which to the layman might be speaking a foreign language but you can bet they sound nice even on your budget surround sound system. The Force 10 earns its place amongst the other Tull expanded editions that may sit on your shelf, and even if they’re a band you despise with a vengeance, acknowledge the quality of the job that goes into such grand productions. 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Post by steelmonkey on Oct 19, 2019 14:38:24 GMT
date,prices, reviews. i just want my copy!!!
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Post by cecil on Oct 20, 2019 22:09:02 GMT
I’ve only heard most of disc 2 tracks from a download. The standouts from the newly released tracks are Orion, Dark ages, Single man and Prelude imo. I’m making a double album worth of unrepeated tunes. I love the known extras on disc 2. From a couple of listens on an average sound system so far, I wasn’t really interested in Apocalypse and Man of god. Too straight forward and riffy for my proggy ears
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Post by jethrotull on Oct 22, 2019 3:47:14 GMT
I just listened to disc 2, it's really good, especially the unreleased material. A lot of it is "symphonic Tull" that includes great keyboard and synth work and some tasty bluesy guitar from Martin.I actually prefer it to the darker, more brooding material what made it onto the Stormwatch album. Single man is the studio version of the great instrumental played at 1979 concerts with a John Evans classical intro leading to a Martin Barre rocker, unfortunately it ends just as it gets really going...only a couple of minutes long. Lyrical Blues which was on the 20 year box sounds better than ever, really great music, as is the track Rock Instrumental (Incomplete Master). It all kind of brings to mind the Chateau D'Herouville sessions that were unfinished pieces but still sound great. A brief sampling of the 1980 Den Haag concert to my ears sounds no better than bootleg tapes I've had for many years, not bad but kind of boomy and uneven and not Tull's finest hour live.
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 22, 2019 6:11:33 GMT
I just listened to disc 2, it's really good, especially the unreleased material. A lot of it is "symphonic Tull" that includes great keyboard and synth work and some tasty bluesy guitar from Martin.I actually prefer it to the darker, more brooding material what made it onto the Stormwatch album. Single man is the studio version of the great instrumental played at 1979 concerts with a John Evans classical intro leading to a Martin Barre rocker, unfortunately it ends just as it gets really going...only a couple of minutes long. Lyrical Blues which was on the 20 year box sounds better than ever, really great music, as is the track Rock Instrumental (Incomplete Master). It all kind of brings to mind the Chateau D'Herouville sessions that were unfinished pieces but still sound great. A brief sampling of the 1980 Den Haag concert to my ears sounds no better than bootleg tapes I've had for many years, not bad but kind of boomy and uneven and not Tull's finest hour live. Agree about the Den Haag concert - no better or worse than my two copies of "Watchers on the storm" so I'm going to assume, until anyone tells me otherwise, that they're all from the same original source.
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Post by tullabye on Oct 22, 2019 7:02:22 GMT
I’ve only heard most of disc 2 tracks from a download. The standouts from the newly released tracks are Orion, Dark ages, Single man and Prelude imo. I’m making a double album worth of unrepeated tunes. I love the known extras on disc 2. From a couple of listens on an average sound system so far, I wasn’t really interested in Apocalypse and Man of god. Too straight forward and riffy for my proggy ears Have to respectfully disagree. I’ve just heard them once but both of the songs you mention as being too riffy along with the original Orion have some of the more interesting instrumentation I’ve heard from Tull. Apocalypse and Man of God we’re both pretty darn great.
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Post by cecil on Oct 22, 2019 7:35:16 GMT
I’ve only heard most of disc 2 tracks from a download. The standouts from the newly released tracks are Orion, Dark ages, Single man and Prelude imo. I’m making a double album worth of unrepeated tunes. I love the known extras on disc 2. From a couple of listens on an average sound system so far, I wasn’t really interested in Apocalypse and Man of god. Too straight forward and riffy for my proggy ears Have to respectfully disagree. I’ve just heard them once but both of the songs you mention as being too riffy along with the original Orion have some of the more interesting instrumentation I’ve heard from Tull. Apocalypse and Man of God we’re both pretty darn great. Apocalypse has cool parts. Just don’t like the verses much. Man of god boring lol. I made my double album. Added Single man, swapped Orion with the long version and I’m deciding which of Rock instrumental or Prelude to storm to add. I think Prelude will fit better
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Post by tullpress on Oct 22, 2019 11:24:35 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 23, 2019 7:03:23 GMT
I just listened to disc 2, it's really good, especially the unreleased material. A lot of it is "symphonic Tull" that includes great keyboard and synth work and some tasty bluesy guitar from Martin.I actually prefer it to the darker, more brooding material what made it onto the Stormwatch album. Single man is the studio version of the great instrumental played at 1979 concerts with a John Evans classical intro leading to a Martin Barre rocker, unfortunately it ends just as it gets really going...only a couple of minutes long. Lyrical Blues which was on the 20 year box sounds better than ever, really great music, as is the track Rock Instrumental (Incomplete Master). It all kind of brings to mind the Chateau D'Herouville sessions that were unfinished pieces but still sound great. A brief sampling of the 1980 Den Haag concert to my ears sounds no better than bootleg tapes I've had for many years, not bad but kind of boomy and uneven and not Tull's finest hour live. Agree about the Den Haag concert - no better or worse than my two copies of "Watchers on the storm" so I'm going to assume, until anyone tells me otherwise, that they're all from the same original source. And it's slightly odd that the book clearly states that the concert was recorded from the front of house desk. Either the proof reader was given the wrong facts or the recording is in fact from "Watchers . . "/radio broadcast
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Post by cecil on Oct 24, 2019 7:14:40 GMT
Apocalypse sounds way better in the car
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Post by steelmonkey on Oct 24, 2019 16:04:59 GMT
Very notable how well Ian plays Bass Guitar. Both in original version and SW mix, not shy about featuring his bass talent. Makes me wonder just how much Milli Vanilli was going on in the Hammond-Hammond era. Not a problem for me at all...just a thought.
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Post by cecil on Oct 25, 2019 20:59:48 GMT
I made my double album version:)
1 North Sea Oil 3:11 2 Home 2:46 3 Dark Ages 9:12 4 Warm Sporran 3:58 5 Something's On The Move 4:30 6 Old Ghosts 4:24 7 Flying Dutchman 7:43 8 Dun Ringill 2:42 9 Elegy 3:34
10 Crossword 3:37 11 Kelpie 3:35 12 King Henry's Madrigal 3:01 13 A Stitch In Time 4:28 14 Broadford Bazaar 3:46 15 The Lyricon Blues 5:16 16 Orion 9:14 17 Urban Apocalypse 4:46 18 A Single Man 2:40
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Post by tullabye on Oct 26, 2019 4:42:34 GMT
I made my double album version:) 1 North Sea Oil 3:11 2 Home 2:46 3 Dark Ages 9:12 4 Warm Sporran 3:58 5 Something's On The Move 4:30 6 Old Ghosts 4:24 7 Flying Dutchman 7:43 8 Dun Ringill 2:42 9 Elegy 3:34 10 Crossword 3:37 11 Kelpie 3:35 12 King Henry's Madrigal 3:01 13 A Stitch In Time 4:28 14 Broadford Bazaar 3:46 15 The Lyricon Blues 5:16 16 Orion 9:14 17 Urban Apocalypse 4:46 18 A Single Man 2:40 My Single Album Side One: Dun Ringill (original album version) Old Ghosts A Single Man Dark Ages (original album version) King Henry’s Madrigal Side Two: North Sea Oil Kelpie Orion (long version) Broadford Bazaar Flying Dutchman
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Post by cecil on Oct 26, 2019 21:05:26 GMT
I made my double album version:) 1 North Sea Oil 3:11 2 Home 2:46 3 Dark Ages 9:12 4 Warm Sporran 3:58 5 Something's On The Move 4:30 6 Old Ghosts 4:24 7 Flying Dutchman 7:43 8 Dun Ringill 2:42 9 Elegy 3:34 10 Crossword 3:37 11 Kelpie 3:35 12 King Henry's Madrigal 3:01 13 A Stitch In Time 4:28 14 Broadford Bazaar 3:46 15 The Lyricon Blues 5:16 16 Orion 9:14 17 Urban Apocalypse 4:46 18 A Single Man 2:40 My Single Album Side One: Dun Ringill (original album version) Old Ghosts A Single Man Dark Ages (original album version) King Henry’s Madrigal Side Two: North Sea Oil Kelpie Orion (long version) Broadford Bazaar Flying Dutchman Missing too many good songs lol
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 27, 2019 7:32:10 GMT
I made my double album version:) 1 North Sea Oil 3:11 2 Home 2:46 3 Dark Ages 9:12 4 Warm Sporran 3:58 5 Something's On The Move 4:30 6 Old Ghosts 4:24 7 Flying Dutchman 7:43 8 Dun Ringill 2:42 9 Elegy 3:34 10 Crossword 3:37 11 Kelpie 3:35 12 King Henry's Madrigal 3:01 13 A Stitch In Time 4:28 14 Broadford Bazaar 3:46 15 The Lyricon Blues 5:16 16 Orion 9:14 17 Urban Apocalypse 4:46 18 A Single Man 2:40 My Single Album Side One: Dun Ringill (original album version) Old Ghosts A Single Man Dark Ages (original album version) King Henry’s Madrigal Side Two: North Sea Oil Kelpie Orion (long version) Broadford Bazaar Flying Dutchman Nice choices. My single vinyl album version would substitute Dun Ringill (original album version) for the earlier version on the boxed set ans Urban Apocalypse for A Single Man. Either way, a fascinating and almost impossible exercise on how to compile an alternative track list
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 27, 2019 7:37:55 GMT
Apocalypse sounds way better in the car Sort of Mad Max of the Tull world ?
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Post by cecil on Oct 27, 2019 22:07:28 GMT
Apocalypse sounds way better in the car Sort of Mad Max of the Tull world ? Sounds more like gentle giant world lol
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 30, 2019 7:40:49 GMT
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Post by tullpress on Nov 5, 2019 10:53:20 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 13, 2019 7:46:22 GMT
UPDATE: Jethro Tull - Stormwatch - The 40th Anniversary Force 10 EditionBurning Shed Tue, Nov 12, 5:38 PM (13 hours ago) Hi Thanks for your order for Jethro Tull – Stormwatch (The 40th Anniversary Force 10 Edition). We are sorry to have to tell you that Warners have put the UK/Ireland release date back again, this time to 29th of November 2019. This is due to a manufacturing delay on the re-press. Warners have apologised for any inconvenience and we appreciate that this is very frustrating. It is for us too. We just want to get your copy to you. Please be assured that you will still get an exclusive postcard and 500 lucky orders will receive a card signed by Ian Anderson. We will be including a set of exclusive Jethro Tull beer mats in your order by way of apology. Warners have also promised that on the forthcoming vinyl edition of Stormwatch we will be able to ship orders two weeks ahead of anyone else. We may also have an exclusive coloured vinyl version of Stormwatch and subsequent vinyl releases (more news on that to follow). Once again, we’re sorry for the situation, all of which is beyond our control. Kind Regards Pete www.burningshed.comsupport@burningshed.com
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Post by Essan on Nov 15, 2019 13:31:49 GMT
Stormwatch has made it through the floods and arrived in Evesham
Not bad considering Amazon's re-scheduled delivery date was 20-21 Nov (I don't have prime)
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 16, 2019 8:03:15 GMT
Tull Folk Rock Trilogy Tribute (2) Old Ghosts (live 1979) 507 views•Dec 4, 2017 gothling1955
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Post by Essan on Nov 16, 2019 10:50:26 GMT
Started listening last night. Only disc 2 so far - initial highlights of which are A Single Man and Orion. Also good to hear "Blues Instrumental" again after so long (I only have the 20th anniversary box set on cassette (!) and haven't heard it in over 25 years ..... ) Easily the best "bonus" disc so far though - every song on it could (should) have been on the album.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 16, 2019 16:38:59 GMT
Started listening last night. Only disc 2 so far - initial highlights of which are A Single Man and Orion. Also good to hear "Blues Instrumental" again after so long (I only have the 20th anniversary box set on cassette (!) and haven't heard it in over 25 years ..... ) Easily the best "bonus" disc so far though - every song on it could (should) have been on the album. I'd be very interested on you thoughts about the Den Haag recordings
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