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Post by nobodyspecial on Sept 9, 2011 23:00:23 GMT
I don't mean to downplay the excellance of IA's musicianship - that is not what I mean. Just that in keeping what many have grown accustomed to through the years this TAAB tour w/o mentioning the what and why, is a huge moment in the history of JT. While IA certainly has been playing JT w/o MB for some time now in his various solo efforts, it is different now that it 'appears' a huge shift has taken place. Sure, I'm sure it will 'sound' fine, but it's NOT JT (obviously and repspectfully) so start with a clean slate - maybe just - The Ian Anderson Band plays TAAB - I still won't go, but for those who want to go, more power to them. There is just something 'hinky' in how this whole thing has shaken down. It's really a bit of a rejoinder.
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 10, 2011 1:47:30 GMT
I agree...the chain of events have been hinky at best...a sad recapitulation of the post Stormwatch ex post facto purge and the similar changing of the guard at the end of the Giddings/Noyce era...not to mention bad feelings all around at the time of Abrahms and then Cornick exits...all too true....It's a shame we don't know exactly what is going on right now and why...thus we theorize....and I'm convinced that certain sad, very private, not pretty, physical deteriorations on the part of MB and DP are in the mix...I don't know for sure but over the years I have heard and overheard numerous whispers about DP not being a picture of health...some wear and tear as a drummer and some more fuselage related ailments....I really believe what we are seeing now is indeed physical and mental exhaustion kicking in at different rates and with different levels of privacy around the details....maybe Too old to rock and roll after all, for some guys? If MB and DP, with or without Pegg or other Tull alumnae, do indeed hit the road concurrent to Ian and current band doing TAAB, I'd be surprised....I think it will be Tull when they are all up for touring and IA band when it's Ian and others not including MB....I mean, look at the Stones, straggling out of their wheelchairs every three or five years.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Sept 10, 2011 4:38:59 GMT
Agreed. Maybe it's not saying too much or generalizing too much to say that most JT listeners are, or have 'focused, acute listening abilities' or high standards that have attracted us to JT from the first listen (for me since 1972) and those standards have 'perhaps(!)' led us to high expectations. Including some type of a 'theoretical' completion/end of JT.......perhaps your notion is correct. Also, I for one have missed new material from JT and really I would have no expectations of it being 'supported' by a tour. I also hope that there hasn't been a falling out to the extent that would cause a 'chuck-it' attitude to prevail. Still, as much as TAAB has inspired me though the years, it would probably pain me to hear/see it performed w/o MB, and I hope if any one has health issues they are remedied in due course. Cheers.
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Post by hawkmoth on Sept 10, 2011 9:21:37 GMT
On reflection I think no one really knows the true reason why MB and DP are not part of this TAAB tour,we all speculate because we are concerned about our number 1 bands future.
In reality the constant touring Tull have done over last 40+ years must take its toll,MB is now retirement age 65 this year,DP is nearing 60 and drumming being the Physical job it is ,will no doubt have some wear and tear. The guys obviuosly want there privacey respected and probably dont want this splattered everywhere if anything is wrong.
Agreed FO is no MB ,but if he does justice to TAAB then thats fine by me.
I will go to see this TAAB tour for sure as you never know when will be the last time you see Ian and the guys play,and that will be a sad day when it comes. I wasnt old enough to see TAAB in its day (didnt hear Tull til 75 when still at school),so this will be very interesting for myself.
I really hope to MB and DP play again ,i hope Tull produce 1 last album,i hope i win the lottery this weekend also ha!
But at end of day we should all be grateful Ian still has the hunger/drive to continue feeding the fans,he surely doesnt do it for the money!!!
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 10, 2011 9:56:45 GMT
"But at end of day we should all be grateful Ian still has the hunger/drive to continue feeding the fans,he surely doesnt do it for the money!!! "
Absolutely Hawkmouth and that first picture that sealion has just posted with Ian and Martin is so powerful, poignant and memorable - makes me feel grateful and just a little sad.
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Post by sealion on Sept 10, 2011 10:23:47 GMT
Thanks for your comment about my photo Nonrabbit, much appreciated
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Post by ash on Sept 10, 2011 10:51:01 GMT
Well I for one am looking forward to this. I have my Tickets for Oxford which is very close to me . If you think about the line up for the original album was Ian, Martin Barre,John Evan,Jeffrey Hammond,Barriemore Barlow. So the only one missing on this tour will be MB Tull as we all know has changed many times over the years but thank the lord Ian is still keeping the songs alive
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 10, 2011 15:34:46 GMT
Brick was my first Tull album but a bit too late to see live...APP, the following year, my first concert..so yeah, a bit of a special place in my heart and brain for the 45 minutes of music that changed everything.....and I do think Tull fans are a bit of a special breed so the mass desire for new material vs greatest hits as well as appreciation of the musical magic between ian and Martin will continue to be topics of interest and highest hopes. You brits are lucky...tour dates planned, even tickets on sale. All I have, so far, is promise to self to go two or three times and hope that geography and precise dates allow it....Tull/Ian have short-changed the west coast more than once in the past few years...luckily, I'm pretty sure the latest Aqualung tour was sold out or near sold out in California, Oregon and Washington...that must bode well for future bookings on what truck drivers call the shaky side. ( earthquakes...not tribute to Neil Young)
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 10, 2011 16:23:47 GMT
Yeah but your American audiences show your appreciation more with your hoopin an a hollerin and " Give us Aqualung MAN!"
us Brit audiences resemble a Minety parish council meeting discussing the serious matter of the length of Mr Anderson's leylandii ( oh missus)
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 10, 2011 16:28:27 GMT
Well I for one am looking forward to this. no no we all are we're just going through a reflective period just now we'll snap out of it.
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 10, 2011 16:31:37 GMT
Thanks for your comment about my photo Nonrabbit, much appreciated presses the "your welcome" button
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 10, 2011 22:16:43 GMT
Perth 14th April www.thecourier.co.uk/Living/Music/article/17069/ian-anderson-bringing-thick-as-a-brick-tour-to-perth-concert-hall.html"...While busy with a string of highly anticipated UK acoustic shows, Ian has announced he will hit the road again in April for a 19-date UK tour commemorating the 1972 Billboard No. 1 album.
The April 14 concert is one of only two Scottish dates on the tour, with Glasgow's Theatre Royal hosting Jethro Tull the following night.
The band's chart-topping record will be played in its entirety — as initially recorded — for the first time since its original tour in 1972.
Thick as a Brick was a concept album based on a poem written by a fictitious 10-year-old boy — in reality Anderson himself, who wrote the music and lyrics.
It only featured one seamless 45-minute track, although it was split to accommodate the album on vinyl and cassette. It reached number five in the UK charts.
Anderson says: "I never thought I would do this music again in its entirety but over the last couple of years I have grown to rather like the idea and the prospect of a prog moment of profound excess."
During the Thick as a Brick tour, Anderson will be joined by John O'Hara on keyboards, David Goodier on bass, Florian Opahle on guitar and Scott Hammond on drums as well as guest performers..."
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Post by nobodyspecial on Sept 10, 2011 23:45:00 GMT
Well I'll be anxiously (and yes, with an open mind) waiting for the comments and reviews of the TAAB early shows. But still as much as IA is a genius and his work awesome, at this point, and for the moment, I cannot for the life of me get past FO in place of MB playing TAAB in it's entirety - but anything is possible.
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Post by chea on Sept 12, 2011 12:52:24 GMT
Well I for one am looking forward to this. I have my Tickets for Oxford which is very close to me . Hi Ash. I will attend at that concert, probably. My daughter this autumn will begin University, there. I ' ll have the oppurtunity to visit her, and see the Ian' s show. M.
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Post by chea on Sept 12, 2011 12:58:31 GMT
Funny my ex used to say he couldn't understand me sometimes when I spoke as well oh and he developed a hearing problem too at some point in the relationship ;D I sometimes don't understand well, only due to my bad English. You always write in a very good and interesting way. M.
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Post by hawkmoth on Sept 12, 2011 17:55:15 GMT
. But still as much as IA is a genius and his work awesome, at this point, and for the moment, I cannot for the life of me get past FO in place of MB playing TAAB in it's entirety - but anything is possible. Understand what your saying here.FO is no MB ,hes a bit over the top for me, lacks subtelty in his playing but kind of adequate,im giving it a chance. This is what to expect. www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU0dGoV3bzA&feature=related
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Post by ash on Sept 12, 2011 21:26:58 GMT
Well I for one am looking forward to this. I have my Tickets for Oxford which is very close to me . Hi Ash. I will attend at that concert, probably. My daughter this autumn will begin University, there. I ' ll have the oppurtunity to visit her, and see the Ian' s show. M. Well I may see you there then?
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Post by chea on Sept 13, 2011 7:11:36 GMT
Hi Ash. I will attend at that concert, probably. My daughter this autumn will begin University, there. I ' ll have the oppurtunity to visit her, and see the Ian' s show. M. Well I may see you there then? Hi Ash. Of course. I like very much to meet J.T Fans at concerts. I will tell you more ahead, before the date. I will be in oxford for some days , also at the end of this month, to bring my daughter, ( and dog), to the University. M.
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 13, 2011 17:21:48 GMT
Your dog got accepted at Oxford? Wow !...Or maybe admissions standards have gone way down.
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Post by chea on Sept 14, 2011 8:32:30 GMT
Your dog got accepted at Oxford? Wow !...Or maybe admissions standards have gone way down. This seemed strange to me, too, when my daughter told me. She has asked the permission in order to hold the dog in the small apartment, and they have granted....M.
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Post by chea on Sept 14, 2011 11:25:18 GMT
Your dog got accepted at Oxford? Wow ! It must be a particularly intelligent dog.... M.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Sept 15, 2011 16:12:39 GMT
Well, after reading member hawkmoth's reply to my last post where I said I would be open-minded to this whole TAAB w/o MB tour and since watching the video from youtube - TAAB, Rio, 2011, that was part of his reply; I definitely will not be going if that is what I would see/hear from FO.
So no one else has to - I'll call myself a 'closed-minded JT snob' after watching that - FO trying too hard maybe, or just really (trying) getting in to it, it looks like there is a 'hair-band-guitar' player on stage with over-played phrasing and lacking in subtlety. I wish IA would just have left this TAAB tour in the idea vault of 'would have been great - but not without MB'. TAAB is a great piece of music on many levels - leave it there. I really hope those who go have a good time but at this point, I'll be happy too.
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 15, 2011 16:43:28 GMT
I wonder if FO will be playing in all the shows ?
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Post by hawkmoth on Sept 15, 2011 17:39:22 GMT
I wonder if FO will be playing in all the shows ? I would guess so,who else is there? Martin has said he has no part to play in the tour. I honestly think Martin is the heart of JT,yes Ian is the genius but without Martin its kind of hollow. I remember watching the 25 years of JT DVD when Martin stated he was only excited about what is happening 'now',he said the past nostalgia was important but the future was where its at. Wonder if that affected his decision not ot do TAAB 2012.
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 15, 2011 19:00:51 GMT
I wonder if FO will be playing in all the shows ? I would guess so,who else is there? Martin has said he has no part to play in the tour. I honestly think Martin is the heart of JT,yes Ian is the genius but without Martin its kind of hollow. I remember watching the 25 years of JT DVD when Martin stated he was only excited about what is happening 'now',he said the past nostalgia was important but the future was where its at. Wonder if that affected his decision not ot do TAAB 2012. maybe or maybe something more mundane? I admit I'm moving to the "glad to see TAAB been given an airing even although Martin's not there" side now as it's better to have it than not. Still think though that Martin should give a fuller explanation or maybe they're all playing games with us.... "You won't find it easy now, it's only fair. He was willing to give to you, you didn't care. You're waiting for more but you've already had your share..."
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Post by zobstick on Sept 15, 2011 21:04:03 GMT
Maybe I'm just a cynical old bastard, but doesn't it seem strange that MB announces his non involvement in TAAB 5 days after tickets have gone on sale.
methinks a bit of leaning has gone on - "don't you dare say anything until the 12th Sept, or else".
Hope I'm wrong, but I'm possibly not!
Looking forward to Martin's new band....
Zob.
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Post by bunkerfan on Sept 22, 2011 7:09:15 GMT
I went to Newcastle City Hall yesterday armed with my bus pass so I didn't have to pay an online booking fee, only to learn when I asked for two tickets the lady asked "are you paying by debit card?" I said "yes", "that will be an extra £1.25 then please" she said. Why is it they squeeze money out of you at every opportunity. And an other thing, why are there never any seats left in the main front stalls when I go.
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 22, 2011 7:57:02 GMT
And an other thing, why are there never any seats left in the main front stalls when I go. The ticket touts get them first. My advice - hit them with one of the legs of your zimmer frame. Failing that, take that friendly usher along with you.
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 22, 2011 8:29:40 GMT
I went to Newcastle City Hall yesterday armed with my bus pass so I didn't have to pay an online booking fee, only to learn when I asked for two tickets the lady asked "are you paying by debit card?" I said "yes", "that will be an extra £1.25 then please" she said. Why is it they squeeze money out of you at every opportunity. And an other thing, why are there never any seats left in the main front stalls when I go. well it's the administration charge for using a credit card or indeed any plastic card - it's a highly unusual occurance nowadays which means extra work which has to be accounted for
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Post by snaffler on Sept 22, 2011 10:30:40 GMT
hey bunkerfan i ordered a couple of tickets for the TAAB show newcastle yesterday too, by phone and they hit me with an extra £7.75!!!!!!
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