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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 21:31:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 16:43:53 GMT
Yeah, but mine is the Steven Wilson mix...nah nah nah nah hey hey hey - hooray
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 29, 2013 16:50:52 GMT
Yeah, but mine is the Steven Wilson mix...nah nah nah nah hey hey hey - hooray
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 30, 2013 17:12:56 GMT
Gave Benefit a thorough listening in honor of currene thread ( I didn't get the new one)..and, as usual, it sounded great and amazing how many perfect songs....but it's good that Ian didn't 'stop' there....If Tull was overly-satisfied with Benefit they would have turned into the kind of band Ian seems to admire: Foreigner, Toto...who can toss off decent songs built on a strong riff or two...but ultimately get boring. I love Benefit but am really glad they didn't keep tossing out albums with ten, perfect, riff-based songs.
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Post by JTull 007 on Nov 30, 2013 17:55:57 GMT
Gave Benefit a thorough listening in honor of currene thread ( I didn't get the new one)..and, as usual, it sounded great and amazing how many perfect songs....but it's good that Ian didn't 'stop' there.... If Tull was overly-satisfied with Benefit they would have turned into the kind of band Ian seems to admire: Foreigner, Toto...who can toss off decent songs built on a strong riff or two...but ultimately get boring. I love Benefit but am really glad they didn't keep tossing out albums with ten, perfect, riff-based songs. Very good point.
The album which has many cool and wonderful tunes was a stepping stone to Tull Greatness! If we had a choice between some very good Tull or the more Progressive Tull, I go with Prog Tull. When I'm chillin' with a few drinks in the Tull Cave, I can always hear the 'Benefit of Cool Tull'.
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Post by journeyman on Dec 1, 2013 4:45:35 GMT
Gave Benefit a thorough listening in honor of currene thread ( I didn't get the new one)..and, as usual, it sounded great and amazing how many perfect songs....but it's good that Ian didn't 'stop' there.... If Tull was overly-satisfied with Benefit they would have turned into the kind of band Ian seems to admire: Foreigner, Toto...who can toss off decent songs built on a strong riff or two...but ultimately get boring. I love Benefit but am really glad they didn't keep tossing out albums with ten, perfect, riff-based songs. Very good point.
The album which has many cool and wonderful tunes was a stepping stone to Tull Greatness! If we had a choice between some very good Tull or the more Progressive Tull, I go with Prog Tull. When I'm chillin' with a few drinks in the Tull Cave, I can always hear the 'Benefit of Cool Tull'. Agreed--very good point! The transition from Benefit to Aqualung was an excellent one. Two very different albums, and despite the musical and critical successes of the former, it turned out not posing any danger of over-shadowing the latter. It is interesting to wonder--if Benefit ended up being Tull's "Aqualung" in terms of commercial success, how different would Tull have been throughout the years musically? What if the riff of "To Cry You a Song" was the one that raised applause at every concert? A while back I read some Amazon.com reviews of the album, and it was very interesting to hear the perspective of those outside of the Tull-fandom echo-chamber. Even amongst those who are casual fans of Tull the album holds much merit. The "other" Aqualung to some.
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 1, 2013 10:10:45 GMT
Very good point.
The album which has many cool and wonderful tunes was a stepping stone to Tull Greatness! If we had a choice between some very good Tull or the more Progressive Tull, I go with Prog Tull. When I'm chillin' with a few drinks in the Tull Cave, I can always hear the 'Benefit of Cool Tull'. Agreed--very good point! The transition from Benefit to Aqualung was an excellent one. Two very different albums, and despite the musical and critical successes of the former, it turned out not posing any danger of over-shadowing the latter. It is interesting to wonder--if Benefit ended up being Tull's "Aqualung" in terms of commercial success, how different would Tull have been throughout the years musically? What if the riff of "To Cry You a Song" was the one that raised applause at every concert? A while back I read some Amazon.com reviews of the album, and it was very interesting to hear the perspective of those outside of the Tull-fandom echo-chamber. Even amongst those who are casual fans of Tull the album holds much merit. The "other" Aqualung to some. There is certainly a well founded point of view that Benefit was the last album that casual fans bought and that from Aqualung onwards it was the committed fans who bought the albums. It's something that I would tend to agree with as I know that friends who are the same age as myself and who are not Tull fans will mostly say that they have the first three albums, a few will have bought Aqualung, but most stopped buying Tull stuff around the time of Aqualung. So yes, to many non believers, Benefit was the last album that many would have listened to and would have missed the shear enjoyment of all that was to follow.
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Post by nonrabbit on Dec 1, 2013 20:58:58 GMT
Gave Benefit a thorough listening in honor of currene thread ( I didn't get the new one)..and, as usual, it sounded great and amazing how many perfect songs....but it's good that Ian didn't 'stop' there....If Tull was overly-satisfied with Benefit they would have turned into the kind of band Ian seems to admire: Foreigner, Toto...who can toss off decent songs built on a strong riff or two...but ultimately get boring. I love Benefit but am really glad they didn't keep tossing out albums with ten, perfect, riff-based songs. That's an excellent thought although I wouldn't have minded a Benefit 2.
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Post by journeyman on Dec 5, 2013 19:55:45 GMT
Agreed--very good point! The transition from Benefit to Aqualung was an excellent one. Two very different albums, and despite the musical and critical successes of the former, it turned out not posing any danger of over-shadowing the latter. It is interesting to wonder--if Benefit ended up being Tull's "Aqualung" in terms of commercial success, how different would Tull have been throughout the years musically? What if the riff of "To Cry You a Song" was the one that raised applause at every concert? A while back I read some Amazon.com reviews of the album, and it was very interesting to hear the perspective of those outside of the Tull-fandom echo-chamber. Even amongst those who are casual fans of Tull the album holds much merit. The "other" Aqualung to some. There is certainly a well founded point of view that Benefit was the last album that casual fans bought and that from Aqualung onwards it was the committed fans who bought the albums. It's something that I would tend to agree with as I know that friends who are the same age as myself and who are not Tull fans will mostly say that they have the first three albums, a few will have bought Aqualung, but most stopped buying Tull stuff around the time of Aqualung. So yes, to many non believers, Benefit was the last album that many would have listened to and would have missed the shear enjoyment of all that was to follow. Interesting, more often than not when I discuss Tull with people they are most familiar with the Aqualung album. Perhaps it is the difference in culture, and latitudes of course But I see what you are saying. Benefit may be overshadowed by Aqualung in popular culture, but Benefit is still comparable in regard and popularity.
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Post by tullist on Dec 6, 2013 1:11:21 GMT
There is certainly a well founded point of view that Benefit was the last album that casual fans bought and that from Aqualung onwards it was the committed fans who bought the albums. It's something that I would tend to agree with as I know that friends who are the same age as myself and who are not Tull fans will mostly say that they have the first three albums, a few will have bought Aqualung, but most stopped buying Tull stuff around the time of Aqualung. So yes, to many non believers, Benefit was the last album that many would have listened to and would have missed the shear enjoyment of all that was to follow. Interesting, more often than not when I discuss Tull with people they are most familiar with the Aqualung album. Perhaps it is the difference in culture, and latitudes of course But I see what you are saying. Benefit may be overshadowed by Aqualung in popular culture, but Benefit is still comparable in regard and popularity. One important consideration to those of us who remember all of this in real time, is the degree to which Jethro Tull were the "darlings of the underground" over their first few years. They helped created the template in this period before "classic" rock, or AOR rock. There were others who tread that turf, in fact Zappa and Beefheart would be 2, but without the melodic accessibility of Jethro Tull, or Traffic for that matter, another band of roughly a similar appeal and shared audience in that period. Aqualung is certainly the album that moved them to rock star status, though in fairness they never completely embraced that mantle, though the super codpiece of 75 did not do them any favors. Indeed I did know people who wrote them off after Benefit, usually the uber hip who were keen to be aligning themselves with the flavor of the moment, then shortly to be the New York Dolls, then into the punk years, the Damned, Sex Pistols, whatever. But without question, the major turning point in their general perception was the Passion Play record. And to my perception those folks were not entirely wrong.
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 6, 2013 9:11:44 GMT
One important consideration to those of us who remember all of this in real time, is the degree to which Jethro Tull were the "darlings of the underground" over their first few years. They helped created the template in this period before "classic" rock, or AOR rock. There were others who tread that turf, in fact Zappa and Beefheart would be 2, but without the melodic accessibility of Jethro Tull, or Traffic for that matter, another band of roughly a similar appeal and shared audience in that period. And along with Marc Bolan and many others, Tull were immediately "removed" from the John Peel inner circle once they'd become popular, stopped playing the blues and replaced Mick Abrahams. I have a great deal of regard for John Peel and the radio legacy that he left behind him, having listened to him from the heady days of "The Perfumed Garden" on Radio London onwards, but he was a "fickle" individual and would abandon those artists who he perceived had sold out to the moguls of the music industry. I once met him very briefly at the Royal Festival Hall and he came across as a very shy person and not at ease with crowds so he probably just didn't like change and was at his happiest when things were simple without the everyday hassles of life. Perhaps the hippy ideal ?
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Post by steelmonkey on Dec 6, 2013 17:24:15 GMT
You have to sort out the 'I found them first, I knew about them before they had hits' types of narcissistic critics and fans...I mean, the paradoxes of being to cool to like a band that you supported simply because you wre right and they were great and got the large audience they deserve are too numerous to satirize in one post. I don't ever mix up what i like with hip people's ahead of the wave contests....and when I band I managed to locate in the underground pops up into the proftable and gratifying air of success, i don't hate them for it, either.
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Post by journeyman on Dec 12, 2013 21:41:21 GMT
Interesting, more often than not when I discuss Tull with people they are most familiar with the Aqualung album. Perhaps it is the difference in culture, and latitudes of course But I see what you are saying. Benefit may be overshadowed by Aqualung in popular culture, but Benefit is still comparable in regard and popularity. One important consideration to those of us who remember all of this in real time, is the degree to which Jethro Tull were the "darlings of the underground" over their first few years. They helped created the template in this period before "classic" rock, or AOR rock. There were others who tread that turf, in fact Zappa and Beefheart would be 2, but without the melodic accessibility of Jethro Tull, or Traffic for that matter, another band of roughly a similar appeal and shared audience in that period. Aqualung is certainly the album that moved them to rock star status, though in fairness they never completely embraced that mantle, though the super codpiece of 75 did not do them any favors. Indeed I did know people who wrote them off after Benefit, usually the uber hip who were keen to be aligning themselves with the flavor of the moment, then shortly to be the New York Dolls, then into the punk years, the Damned, Sex Pistols, whatever. But without question, the major turning point in their general perception was the Passion Play record. And to my perception those folks were not entirely wrong. I see, thanks for the info Tullist. It makes sense when you explain it that way. Growing up I don't think Tull being cool or hip has ever been an issue in the least. The issue was more whether or not anyone knew who Jethro Tull was. Usually not, and any old folks that remember them usually are not very occupied with 70s rock music. That's a message board like this is great--I'm so glad you old folks want to talk Tull and know how to use a computer!
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Post by steelmonkey on Dec 12, 2013 22:02:18 GMT
Let's grab our walkers and kick that young man's ass for him...who's in? I said ' WHO'S IN?' Dammit...turn up your hearing aids.
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 13, 2013 9:12:42 GMT
Let's grab our walkers and kick that young man's ass for him...who's in? I said ' WHO'S IN?' Dammit...turn up your hearing aids. Pardon ?
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Post by steelmonkey on Dec 13, 2013 16:10:40 GMT
Happy thought...if we keep our forum going long enough...ALL our threads will be 'word association'.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 16:33:30 GMT
Happy thought...if we keep our forum going long enough...ALL our threads will be 'word association'. Word!
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Post by b2hammond on Aug 20, 2014 15:26:24 GMT
Would ya look at that... That's my photo!
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 20, 2014 16:13:54 GMT
Would ya look at that... That's my photo! Was that in '79 after he got hit in the eye/face with a rose thorn and he wore the tinted glasses while his eye healed? If it was that event, it's a damn fine historical photo
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Post by b2hammond on Aug 20, 2014 18:02:23 GMT
Would ya look at that... That's my photo! Was that in '79 after he got hit in the eye/face with a rose thorn and he wore the tinted glasses while his eye healed? If it was that event, it's a damn fine historical photo Yes, but this is at The Chicago Stadium. Come to think of it, this might of been the last time Tull played there...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 14:30:31 GMT
Would ya look at that... That's my photo! Nice pic. (with kind permission) Thank you. [Sung:] As for all their tempting ideas, well Hare didn't care. The lost spectacles were his own affair. And after all, Hare did have a spare a-pair. A-pair.
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 21, 2015 14:40:55 GMT
Gadzooks, hasn't the time flown by and what a musical journey we've been on. Now, if I'd known then what I know now . . .
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Post by elberto on Feb 21, 2016 12:25:59 GMT
After Aqualung 2016 April 22nd re-release in the hardback book form, can we expect a Benefit new edition with Steven Wilson mix in the same hardback book form?
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Post by hwkn on Feb 21, 2016 17:11:58 GMT
That's the plan.
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Post by rockodyssey on Jun 15, 2016 17:04:15 GMT
BENEFIT (1970)
I had this all those years ago (it always seemed to be going for a low price), but I hardly listened to it. It ain't particularly easy, but the mellowing effects of time have made me more tolerant and having listened to it over the past week, I can now appreciate it for being a quietly masterful album. It isn't what you'd call pacey, and Tull could go at it hammer and tongs if they wanted to. Anderson's vocals are measured and almost monastic in places. Barre's guitar is often fuzzy and sometimes he rocks out like a good 'un. The first three albums all contain song titles that refer to 'Jeffrey' ('Song For Jeffrey', 'Jeffrey Goes To Leicester Square' and 'For Michael Collins, Jeffrey and Me'), but the titular Jeffrey Hammond actually joined the band in 1971 as bassist. Here that instrument is handled by Glenn Cornick and all you devotees of the four thick strings would do well to listen to what is going on in the background of 'Inside'. There is some mucking around with playing instruments backwards on 'Play In Time' which I could have done without. Extras on Spotify include singles 'Witches Promise' and 'Teacher'. I don't like the artwork, it's dull and you can't really make the band out especially on the tiny cassette version I had.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jun 15, 2016 23:13:02 GMT
I had a quick look at your blog and I do admire the work and passion you put into it. No doubt then that you've come across or thought yourself, the idea that where you are age wise,place wise, mind wise when you first listen to a particular album plays a part in what effect that it has on you.
Benefit is my favourite album. I had just been introduced to Tull via Aqualung (in the early 70's) and being so bowled over by that I then picked up the 'important' album number two.
Benefit is dark(ish)in places but what really struck me was the pace and lyrics of the songs. I was sitting in the (teenage) bedroom waiting impatiently to get out and run and coincidently Ian had just 'run' away to London and was on the cusp, place wise and group wise when he wrote Benefit. To Cry You A Song played over and over "flying so high" "changes to ring"
I suppose given that it is a guitar based album -that gelled with me too. Like most people I was listening to a lot of guitar led bands then.
I agree with you on the artwork, I never liked it either but over time I've associated it with the feel of the album and in that sense it contributes to the momentum of the songs.
It's not one of Ian's favourites but it is one of Martins.
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