tullist
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Jan 24, 2014 22:37:58 GMT
Post by tullist on Jan 24, 2014 22:37:58 GMT
TULL AND ANDERSON SHOULD HAVE A CATERGORY OF THERE OWN (DISCUSS) I admit I do not really know all the categories. For instance, is there a classic rock category? I presume there is a straight rock category, not sure. I certainly was watching that night, but that might be the only time I have ever seen the program, I literally could not be less interested. But I do believe, amongst people who have moved in excess of 60 million units in their career, that there has never been an artist as diversified as Jethro Tull. Totally removed from whether they are good or not. That palette has got a hell of alot of colors in it. And I believe non fans who know who they are have a fixed notion based on a few songs. Again, hard rock and even heavy metal are not foreign to Tull, they just make no permanent address at any of those locations.
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Post by treeborn on Jan 24, 2014 22:43:54 GMT
YOU HAVE JUST SAID WHAT MOST TULL FOLLOWERS THINK GOOD OR BAD OR MEDIOCRE THEY ARE STILL TULL/ANDERSON/BEST.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 24, 2014 23:56:01 GMT
Tull's diversity and range far transcend any categories the Grammy shills could invent.
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Jan 25, 2014 1:49:45 GMT
Post by JTull 007 on Jan 25, 2014 1:49:45 GMT
Yeah, he deals with them with real aplomb and style and 99 out of 100 he is 100 per cent correct. I do remember the rank Tull land obsession last year with his, IA's alleged manhandling of someone. No need to know the facts thru the grain footage. Its that penny pinching old Anderson. Folks speculate this because somehow they just know. By the way, is that in regards to the 38 second video from Spain when Ian got mad?
The discussion became rather heated and eventually became downright silly. No one could make a real conclusion as to what provoked Ian during a spot right before "Change of Horses".
Of course those who were certain made the usual commentary about Ian being guilty of Fan Abuse. I was not convinced.
Now, in regards to the Grammy's... They are normally a Pop oriented award show with other stuff sprinkled in. Award shows to me are nice to watch on occasion but not a must to attend. Ian has too much work to do. TULL AND ANDERSON SHOULD HAVE A CATERGORY OF THEIR OWN (DISCUSS) Yes. However with all Tull over the years, we keep winning no matter what others may think. This music is so unique it cannot be named by a category with other bands included. In a class by itself.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 25, 2014 9:35:17 GMT
TULL AND ANDERSON SHOULD HAVE A CATERGORY OF THERE OWN (DISCUSS) "Best flute performance in an exemplary rock band who span over 45 years of superb musicianship, hard work and a rather fine composer of music and song".And the winner is . . . .
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Post by bunkerfan on Jan 25, 2014 14:20:58 GMT
TULL AND ANDERSON SHOULD HAVE A CATERGORY OF THERE OWN (DISCUSS) "Best flute performance in an exemplary rock band who span over 45 years of superb musicianship, hard work and a rather fine composer of music and song".And the winner is . . . . James Galway.
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Jan 25, 2014 23:00:11 GMT
Post by billw on Jan 25, 2014 23:00:11 GMT
Hi, all. The reason Tull is so great is that they've always done something that NO other band could do. Combine blues. jazz, progressive, folk, psychedeic, classical music. Add to that the very intelligent lyrics of Ian! I feel that the industry maybe felt intimidated by that. So it's easier to ignore or attack Mayber? thank you
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Post by JTull 007 on Jan 26, 2014 3:36:06 GMT
Hi, all. The reason Tull is so great is that they've always done something that NO other band could do. Combine blues. jazz, progressive, folk, psychedeic, classical music. Add to that the very intelligent lyrics of Ian! I feel that the industry maybe felt intimidated by that. So it's easier to ignore or attack Maybe? thank you Welcome Bill On this Grammy Award, Tull always wins!
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Jan 26, 2014 9:17:54 GMT
Post by nonrabbit on Jan 26, 2014 9:17:54 GMT
Hi, all. The reason Tull is so great is that they've always done something that NO other band could do. Combine blues. jazz, progressive, folk, psychedeic, classical music. Add to that the very intelligent lyrics of Ian! I feel that the industry maybe felt intimidated by that. So it's easier to ignore or attack Mayber? thank you ....add to that the onstage,theatrical shenanigans of Ian and to a lesser degree - John. plus a very loyal fan base and dedicated Forum to which you are very, very welcome ....................smooth eh? Welcome to the Forum billw Cheers nonrabbit
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Jan 26, 2014 9:50:55 GMT
Post by maddogfagin on Jan 26, 2014 9:50:55 GMT
Hi, all. The reason Tull is so great is that they've always done something that NO other band could do. Combine blues. jazz, progressive, folk, psychedeic, classical music. Add to that the very intelligent lyrics of Ian! I feel that the industry maybe felt intimidated by that. So it's easier to ignore or attack Mayber? thank you That's a good point billw. The best course of action is to ignore such things - the Fans know that Jethro Tull are a great band which is all that matters Welcome to the Jethro Tull Forum
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 27, 2014 3:50:05 GMT
Saying how's your Grammy and good old Ernie, coughed up a tenner on a premium bond win...
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Jan 28, 2014 2:54:03 GMT
Post by futureshock on Jan 28, 2014 2:54:03 GMT
Encyclopedia Erraticus: "Jethro Tull is the opposite of cookie-cutter Nashville musical standardization. The band creates music that skipped a century or three, by taking advantage of systems that can help create enjoyment of diverse music styles, while avoiding being habituated into a creative dead end and becoming a sad joke's punchline. A new Jethro Tull record means fun and discovery. Now back to our regular programming, with Billy Bob McTractor and the Hay Bails, and their new hit, "I got hopeful tears in my beers and hopeless dreams in her jeans", which is totally unlike what else the band has created in the last 17 hours!"
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 28, 2014 11:14:38 GMT
Metallica's Lars Ulrich Recalls 'F---ed Up' 1989 Grammy Loss "The record company had already made 10,000 onesheets to put in record stores that said 'Grammy Award Winner,'' he tells RSBy Kory Grow January 27, 2014 9:15 AM ET www.rollingstone.com/Metallica's electrifying rendition of "One" last night, which featured classical pianist Lang Lang, was intended to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the metal icons' first performance on the awards show. At the time, the performance was subversive: one of the heaviest, fastest-rising bands of the underground, fresh off the release of its multiplatinum fourth record, . . . And Justice for All, was performing the same night it was nominated in the inaugural Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance category. But that night ended on a sour note. Although pundits had forecasted Metallica as the favorite, another band won the award: classic rockers Jethro Tull, who didn't even bother coming to the show. "Everybody thought Metallica would win," Tull frontman Ian Anderson recently told Billboard. "I was recording in the studio at the time – so we stayed at home." Metallica won the Best Metal Performance award the next year, for "One," and have earned nine so far. This year, the group was nominated for Best Recording Package, for the soundtrack to its film Metallica: Through the Never, which is coming out in a variety of video formats this week. As part of a recent interview with Rolling Stone about the Through the Never video releases, Ulrich recounted just how Metallica's first Grammy Awards went down: Getting the chance to put a band like Metallica on a national TV show like the Grammys, and getting to occupy five-and-a-half minutes of airtime, was a huge, huge, huge, huge thing in 1989. It was a kind of validation of tens of thousands of disenfranchised and left-of-center music fans' existence, in a way. I'm not trying to pat ourselves on the back here, but it was sort of the first time the Grammys had said, "Yes, there is stuff that's edgier. There is stuff that's darker than the stuff that's being played on the radio and MTV." That was the real victory that day. And here we were hearing, "Metallica's gonna win a Grammy." Everybody was kind of buying into this idea. And obviously, at one point, you start hearing it enough and you start buying into it yourself. When Jethro Tull was announced, after we had peformed, it sort of reiterated what everybody had thought all along. It was the thought that the Grammys were out of whack with what was current, that it was still sort of a few years behind the curve in terms of what was really going on in the music world, rather than what was going on within the Recording Academy. This is how fvcked up it was: The record company had already made 10,000 onesheets to put in record stores that said [Justice was a] "Grammy Award Winner." So we said, why don't we just put a sticker on them that says, "Grammy Award Loser"? Listen, we were psyched that we were involved. We were psyched that we were invited. We were psyched that we got to perform. And then, a year or two later, they invited us back and we got our award. We've won a bunch of them since. I can't remember the count. So it worked out OK. I'm happy that we were the first guys to knock on the fvcking door. I don't think I've ever met [Jethro Tull frontman] Ian Anderson. I don't think I've ever even been in the same space as Ian Anderson. The other day, I was listening to one of their songs – not "Aqualung" – but one of them was on the radio the other day. I was telling my 15-year-old son, "Those are the guys that won the Grammy the first year." I was trying to explain to him who Jethro Tull was, about this flute-playing guy that had sort of Renaissance clothes. I think it was hard to follow what I was saying, since he was listening to Arctic Monkeys with the other ear, but I gave it my best shot [laughs]. But it all worked out OK. Those were crazy days.
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tullist
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Jan 29, 2014 6:34:55 GMT
Post by tullist on Jan 29, 2014 6:34:55 GMT
Yeah, he deals with them with real aplomb and style and 99 out of 100 he is 100 per cent correct. I do remember the rank Tull land obsession last year with his, IA's alleged manhandling of someone. No need to know the facts thru the grain footage. Its that penny pinching old Anderson. Folks speculate this because somehow they just know. By the way, is that in regards to the 38 second video from Spain when Ian got mad?
The discussion became rather heated and eventually became downright silly. No one could make a real conclusion as to what provoked Ian during a spot right before "Change of Horses".
Of course those who were certain made the usual commentary about Ian being guilty of Fan Abuse. I was not convinced.
Now, in regards to the Grammy's... They are normally a Pop oriented award show with other stuff sprinkled in. Award shows to me are nice to watch on occasion but not a must to attend. Ian has too much work to do. TULL AND ANDERSON SHOULD HAVE A CATERGORY OF THEIR OWN (DISCUSS) Yes. However with all Tull over the years, we keep winning no matter what others may think. This music is so unique it cannot be named by a category with other bands included. In a class by itself. That is the one. I think also involving my last posting over there, it just reeks of sensationalist news that is not really news... to me anyway.
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Jan 29, 2014 6:40:01 GMT
Post by tullist on Jan 29, 2014 6:40:01 GMT
By the way, is that in regards to the 38 second video from Spain when Ian got mad?
The discussion became rather heated and eventually became downright silly. No one could make a real conclusion as to what provoked Ian during a spot right before "Change of Horses".
Of course those who were certain made the usual commentary about Ian being guilty of Fan Abuse. I was not convinced.
Now, in regards to the Grammy's... They are normally a Pop oriented award show with other stuff sprinkled in. Award shows to me are nice to watch on occasion but not a must to attend. Ian has too much work to do. Yes. However with all Tull over the years, we keep winning no matter what others may think. This music is so unique it cannot be named by a category with other bands included. In a class by itself. That is the one. I think also involving my last posting over there, it just reeks of sensationalist news that is not really news... to me anyway. In fairness, I guess the Grammy's does it go for 2 days? In any case categories of lesser interest, like classical music or jazz are not shown during the peak hours for obvious reasons. Now I have long been under the delusion that the world would be better off in general, certainly culturally, if people were exposed to more classical and jazz and musics from outside their comfort zone but I have a series of delusions that remain pretty much that.
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 1, 2014 15:56:17 GMT
www.jewishjournal.com/thecultofpop/item/the_grammys_madonnas_instagram_and_yes_chicago_is_still_aroundThe Grammys, Madonna’s instagram, and yes, Chicago is still aroundby Chris Stuke "Metallica played the song “One” alongside pianist Lang Lang. Ironically, Metallica performed that same song 25 years ago (holy $h1t, has it been THAT long?) at the 1989 Grammys which was the first year they added a Hard Rock category. Metallica was also nominated that year, and they lost…to Jethro Tull, who if I remember correctly, hadn’t put an album out since the crucifixion of Jesus Christ."
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 7, 2015 17:54:05 GMT
Grammys 2015 Best Metal Performance Nominees, Who Should & Will Win: Mastodon and Slipknot Wait for Old Guard to Lose Sway link"The rest of the nominations show just how little of an effort the Recording Academy puts toward selecting nominees. Two songs come from the same album, suggesting that of all metal songs released during 2014, 40 percent of the best ones were on the same album. And not just any album, but a covers album dedicated to Ronnie James Dio. Anthrax did a solid job with "Neon Knights" but it's a nearly spot-on mimic of the original, which hardly constitutes a prize representing Best of 2014. Tenacious D has honest passion for metal but they'll be the first to admit they are a humor band, emphasized by Jack Black's comedically emphatic heavy metal vocals. The flute solo in the middle of the band's "The Last In Line" cover almost references Jethro Tull's controversial Best Hard Rock/Metal win over Metallica in 1989, the first time metal was recognized at the ceremony."
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 9, 2015 10:26:40 GMT
ultimateclassicrock.com/Tenacious D Win (Another Botched) Best Metal Performance Grammy by Matthew Wilkening February 8, 2015 8:34 PM Well, it’s not as bad as Jethro Tull beating out Metallica, but it’s safe to say the Grammys got it wrong in the metal category again tonight. You see, comedy duo Tenacious D beat out Mastodon, Anthrax, Motorhead and Slipknot to win the Best Metal Performance award for their cover of Dio‘s ‘The Last in Line.’ Now we love Tenacious D — in fact, one of the biggest regrets in our history was not including ‘Rize of the Fenix,’ the best Who song of the past decade, on our 2012 Best Songs list. And their Dio bona fides are obviously legit. So, we hope they win four million comedy Grammys, if that’s important to them. But this was the wrong call, and seemingly more proof that Grammy voters don’t take heavy metal seriously enough.Read More: Tenacious D Win (Another Botched) Best Metal Performance Grammy | ultimateclassicrock.com/tenacious-d-metal-grammy/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=newsletter_4572276&trackback=tsmclip[You know I sometimes really wish that Jethro Tull hadn't won the award back in 1989 which would save the band all the flack that they constantly get over it. It's almost as if IA and the band are constantly accused of somehow rigging the vote in their favour when it was was the judge and jury at the grammys who awarded them the "gong".]
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 10, 2015 9:50:14 GMT
hamptonroads.com/2015/02/reflecting-grammy-awardsTenacious D: This millennium’s Jethro Tull? There is no truth to the rumor that Jack Black and Kyle Gass received a congratulatory phone call from Ian Anderson (of the aforementioned Tull) last night when Tenacious D took home the Grammy for best metal performance for their cover of Ronnie James Dio’s “The Last in Line,” from the tribute album, "This Is Your Life."
What is accurate, however, is that the decision to bestow this award unto the "D" – who are awesome, make no mistake – will ultimately be remembered by metal fans as further confirmation that Grammy voters really don’t know anything about metal and only vote for the familiar name, a tradition which started way back when Tull's "Crest of a Knave" took home the award for best hard rock/metal performance in 1989.
Now, sure, you can argue that Tenacious D, essentially a parody band, did a straightforward, heartfelt cover of the song, but when the other nominees are Slipknot (“The Negative One”), Motorhead (“Heartbreaker”), Mastodon (“High Road”), and Anthrax (“Neon Knights”), it’s hard to argue that Grammy voters were even trying.
Frankly, when you consider that the Anthrax selection is also from the aforementioned Dio tribute album, it’s pretty clear the lack of effort started with the nomination process.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 17:43:29 GMT
hamptonroads.com/2015/02/reflecting-grammy-awardsTenacious D: This millennium’s Jethro Tull? There is no truth to the rumor that Jack Black and Kyle Gass received a congratulatory phone call from Ian Anderson (of the aforementioned Tull) last night when Tenacious D took home the Grammy for best metal performance for their cover of Ronnie James Dio’s “The Last in Line,” from the tribute album, "This Is Your Life."
What is accurate, however, is that the decision to bestow this award unto the "D" – who are awesome, make no mistake – will ultimately be remembered by metal fans as further confirmation that Grammy voters really don’t know anything about metal and only vote for the familiar name, a tradition which started way back when Tull's "Crest of a Knave" took home the award for best hard rock/metal performance in 1989.
Now, sure, you can argue that Tenacious D, essentially a parody band, did a straightforward, heartfelt cover of the song, but when the other nominees are Slipknot (“The Negative One”), Motorhead (“Heartbreaker”), Mastodon (“High Road”), and Anthrax (“Neon Knights”), it’s hard to argue that Grammy voters were even trying.
Frankly, when you consider that the Anthrax selection is also from the aforementioned Dio tribute album, it’s pretty clear the lack of effort started with the nomination process. It's a tribute to Dio and it has pan flute....what's not to like? - JohnG/ICE Mod Read more: www.imwan.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=90599&sid=9ac1859687b42c98f21992d7565a1050&start=44
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Post by JTull 007 on Feb 10, 2015 21:04:41 GMT
WTF ? I saw Dio in 1982 with Black Sabbath. Rock In Peace Ronnie
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 12, 2015 18:29:43 GMT
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Aug 11, 2015 15:01:36 GMT
Post by maddogfagin on Aug 11, 2015 15:01:36 GMT
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 11, 2015 18:38:52 GMT
Tull = Happy $h1t? Hetfield = Dumbass ?
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 11, 2015 18:51:31 GMT
Yeah, good plan, let's find out how James Hetfield feels about life.....let's get the Low IQ drunkard POV. ( He's a great rhythm guitarist, songwriter, singer...but still).
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 22, 2019 8:12:01 GMT
www.thisdayinmusic.com/1989, A category for Heavy Metal was included at the Grammy Awards for the first time. Metallica performed on stage, but the award went to Jethro Tull. Many audience members booed. Meanwhile, Bobby McFerrin won Record Of The Year and Song Of The Year for 'Don't Worry, Be Happy', Tracy Chapman is named Best New Artist and Tina Turner won Best Female Rock Vocal Performance for 'Tina Live in Europe'.
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Post by JTull 007 on Feb 22, 2019 12:21:06 GMT
www.thisdayinmusic.com/1989, A category for Heavy Metal was included at the Grammy Awards for the first time. Metallica performed on stage, but the award went to Jethro Tull. Many audience members booed. Meanwhile, Bobby McFerrin won Record Of The Year and Song Of The Year for 'Don't Worry, Be Happy',Tracy Chapman is named Best New Artist and Tina Turner won Best Female Rock Vocal Performance for 'Tina Live in Europe'. Those who crave awards for their music are in the wrong business. When you create music it doesn't matter what others may think. It's what you believe in that matters first.
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Post by bunkerfan on May 5, 2019 11:45:02 GMT
How Jethro Tull Upset Metallica at the 1989 Grammy Awards
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Post by Equus on May 6, 2019 15:56:42 GMT
How Jethro Tull Upset Metallica at the 1989 Grammy Awards The flute just so happens to be a heavy metal instrument... Heavy, heavy, heavy...
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 7, 2021 7:40:14 GMT
www.blabbermouth.net/ALICE COOPER Looks Back On METALLICA's GRAMMY Loss To JETHRO TULL: I Thought They Handed Me The Wrong EnvelopeMarch 6, 2021 METALLICA was nominated for the very first "Hard Rock/Metal Performance" Grammy in 1989, but famously lost to JETHRO TULL, a band distinguished mainly by its heavy use of flute. Fans — and even some audience members — were rightly outraged, though TULL's record label tried to make light of the faux pas by placing a Billboard ad that read, "The flute is a heavy, metal instrument." Award presenter Alice Cooper, who — along with Lita Ford — announced TULL's win, recalled the experience in a new interview with Meltdown of Detroit's WRIF radio station. He said (hear audio below): "Well, first of all, when we did the rehearsal, you opened up the thing and they just said, 'Name any band' — you were just practicing naming the band. And it was METALLICA and all these great heavy metal bands, and JETHRO TULL, who's so far away from metal. And I opened up the thing and I went, 'And the winner is JETHRO TULL.' And everybody laughed. And I looked around. I was looking for somebody to say, 'Did you hand me the wrong envelope?' I thought they handed me the rehearsal envelope. And they said, 'No.' And then I realized what it was. In that day and age, at that time, the people that were voting, the judges, METALLICA was a brand new thing, metal was a brand new thing, and the only band they recognized was JETHRO TULL. And even JETHRO TULL went, 'What?'" JETHRO TULL did not attend the event, and Cooper ended up accepting the award on the band's behalf. "I said, 'I'm accept this for [JETHRO TULL], but I think they're gonna probably send it back,'" Alice told WRIF. After METALLICA lost the 1989 "Best Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Recording" Grammy to JETHRO TULL, the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences (NARAS), parent company of the Grammys, separated the two genres in 1990 by creating categories for "Best Hard Rock Performance" and "Best Metal Performance". METALLICA won the "Best Metal Performance" award the next year, for "One", and has earned nearly a dozen so far. When METALLICA's "Black" album won another "Best Metal Performance" Grammy in 1992, drummer Lars Ulrich "thanked" JETHRO TULL for not releasing an album in that year. In a 2012 interview with Powerline, JETHRO TULL vocalist Ian Anderson recounted that historic day when his band was given the award for best hard rock/metal performer. "I probably get [the question] a lot more when I'm talking to American writers than I do [at home in England]," Anderson said. "It's not really a big deal over here. It was in a year where it was a new category for 'hard rock' forward slash 'metal' and that category still exists today … and we were, for some strange reason, nominated. And at the time, no one paid any attention to the fact that we were nominated. There was not a peep out of anyone. Because they thought there's no way JETHRO TULL are gonna win it. Nor IGGY POP, nor JANE'S ADDICTION. It's going to be METALLICA because they were the huge, new, straight-out-of-the-box, enormous, hit talent that year and everybody took it for granted that METALLICA were gonna win the Grammy, including METALLICA themselves. And when it was ordered to JETHRO TULL, to a barrage of boos and hisses and gasps of disbelief, I'd like to think that it wasn't that the six thousand voting members of the National Academy Of Recording Arts And Sciences were voting for JETHRO TULL as a heavy rock band or a heavy metal band. They gave us the award because we were a bunch of nice guys who never won a Grammy before. And sad to relate, even after all these years, there is still no category for best one-legged flute player. Otherwise, I'd be winning it every year." He continued: "And as we said at the time, METALLICA were an exciting new band. and they will be sure to win the Grammy next year and indeed they did. And to prove the point that heavy metal bands do have a sense of humor, they took out a full page ad in Billboard when they won the Grammy, thanking their record producer, their record company, their mums, their dads, their brothers, the family dog and JETHRO TULL for not bringing out a new album that year." Two years ago, on the 30th anniversary of that fateful day, Ulrich took to his Instagram to reflect on his band's first Grammy loss, writing: "Today 30 years ago, February 22 '89, we played the Grammys for the first time and that was quite a mindf**k!! First time we were in front of a mainstream TV audience. First time mainstream America was exposed to whatever the hell it is we do. First time they had a hard rock/metal category on the Grammys. First time we were Grammy losers, since JETHRO TULL, somewhat unexpectedly to most people, walked away with the win. "But all was not lost. The expressions of disgust from most members of the audience (other than Iggy!) is something I will treasure for the rest of my life. And I was rocking some pretty crazy hair that was edging dangerously close to a mullet! Happy days indeed!!"
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