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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 5, 2011 12:25:50 GMT
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Post by tullist on Jan 5, 2011 18:43:55 GMT
3 glaring omissions, Dick Gaughan, Archie Fisher and Robin Williamson outclass most of that list. I got the part where it said pop and rock, but I also got the part that said John Martyn, who most would regard as a folk performer, although believe I am aware that his efforts ran far afield of that area. In fact was surprised to read recently that he was very close friends with outside jazz legend Pharoah Sanders. Never knew Jack Bruce was Scottish, guess the last name is a giveaway. Jack the Bruce. Suppose Rod has got to be included for record sales alone, like Van Morrison, he may well be great but it has never registered with me. And his recent attempt at the Great American Songbook, do spare me, reminds me of when Michael Jordan decided at 28 that he could play professional baseball. And people like Oprah drooling at Rod's approach. Might not be a fan of Frank Sinatra exactly, but he did know that material, it was not a one off for him, and to mention Sarah Vaughn, Johnny Hartman, Billie Holliday, Betty Carter, Ella Fitzgerald. Would not make me mad save for the fact that Rod's record probably outsold anything any of those folks did. Reminds me of when that US3 group did that Cantaloop think in the early nineties on the venerable, 75 year old Blue Note label, sampling from 50's and 60's classics from Donald Byrd, Art Blakey, Herbie Hancock and it outsold anything in the history of the label. And that at least was pretty hip, but still....IT SUCKS.
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Post by broadsword on Jan 5, 2011 19:26:57 GMT
Another couple of omissions.......... Alex Harvey and James Dewar, now alas both in that great celestial rock band in the sky, both superb vocalists. Alex Harvey had his own wonderfully anarchic band and James Dewar played a mean bass guitar, check out his work with Robin Trower.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 5, 2011 19:52:07 GMT
Saw Trower a couple times and really felt hyis trio should have been a band with a name...not just his name...good enough guitarist, true...and famous from early Procul...but the vocals and bass of Dewar were equal to if not greater than...Agree with ray about van...not my cup of tea...I can take a little early Rod...but prefer marriot, lane or Burden..,.good analogy to Jordan at the plate...greatness in one area does not promise even competence in another...although i do kinda wish i had seen an AA game with michael playing. I think I have seen Ainge on the ballfield and basketball court.
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Post by tullist on Jan 5, 2011 21:48:43 GMT
Too be sure, I did see Ainge both as a Blue Jay and a Celtic, but he had pursued both seriously his entire life. And obviously the classic cases of Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders, but all those guys pursued both sports their entire lives, it was not a daydream. Although I saw Sanders potential skills as a baseball player and had he had time to hone that a bit further he would have been scary, just like in football. Loving the Yankees, still enjoy the memory of Carlton Fisk as Red Sox catcher but knowing traditionally what the Yankee uniform meant and those who had worn it, had this to say to a young Sanders after he dogged it on a pop fly during his time as a Yankee, "If you don't play it [the game] right, I'm going to kick your ass right here." One of a handful of my favorite sports memories. So a warning to you youngsters, always run it out...hard. Ian never dogged it. Go Packers.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 5, 2011 23:01:42 GMT
I think the list compiler - a Mr Shinkicker would be interested in yer comments... Pal ;D no seriously he would. All this listing of things is only as good as the person who lists them and for the few words of conversation they encourage* * it's late here - AND I haven't been drinking
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 8, 2011 15:27:19 GMT
3 glaring omissions, Dick Gaughan, Archie Fisher and Robin Williamson outclass most of that list. I got the part where it said pop and rock, but I also got the part that said John Martyn, who most would regard as a folk performer, although believe I am aware that his efforts ran far afield of that area. In fact was surprised to read recently that he was very close friends with outside jazz legend Pharoah Sanders. Never knew Jack Bruce was Scottish, guess the last name is a giveaway. Jack the Bruce. Suppose Rod has got to be included for record sales alone, like Van Morrison, he may well be great but it has never registered with me. And his recent attempt at the Great American Songbook, do spare me, reminds me of when Michael Jordan decided at 28 that he could play professional baseball. And people like Oprah drooling at Rod's approach. Might not be a fan of Frank Sinatra exactly, but he did know that material, it was not a one off for him, and to mention Sarah Vaughn, Johnny Hartman, Billie Holliday, Betty Carter, Ella Fitzgerald. Would not make me mad save for the fact that Rod's record probably outsold anything any of those folks did. Reminds me of when that US3 group did that Cantaloop think in the early nineties on the venerable, 75 year old Blue Note label, sampling from 50's and 60's classics from Donald Byrd, Art Blakey, Herbie Hancock and it outsold anything in the history of the label. And that at least was pretty hip, but still....IT SUCKS. Jack the Bruce ;D is touring US and UK details on his rather fine website www.jackbruce.com/2008/Tours/tours.htm
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Post by tullist on Jan 9, 2011 6:00:01 GMT
Sort of too bad Jack the Lad couldn't keep his popular beat group with the Baker's boy and the esteemed Clapton colleague together on there somewhat recent second go round. Very much like with Tull, at this late stage of life they sounded better to me the second time round, and I know they had ideas for some new recordings until Baker and Bruce decided again they did not like the way they were looking at each other.(I guess even back in 66 when Clapton invited him in Bruce had interest until he learned the other occupant was Ginger Baker) I say that with some astonishment that people positively drool over that Isle of Wight Tull thing when I would say most of their average performances of the past 15 years are, in the main, better, while most of that same crowd with the drool would say they in large part suck. In any case those few who may have not heard that Cream at the Royal Albert 2005, I can't say rush out and get it, but it is damn good, and sort of more sophisticated and to the point than the live records of their youth. (And Bakers re reading of Pressed Rat and Warthog is at least as good as Ians Hare) But then of course there is the great contradiction, and that is if you had asked the me of 1970-2 the same question as to either of their viability, I would have had a very different answer, but I ain't 16 anymore, love the fact that Tull has grown old with me, has evolved, and will never be your Baker St Muse again. (he did get out after all, a long time ago, in fact, at that very moment) And I won't say its a shame that the Cream did not stay together, its not like they were going to change the world, where I believe the reappearance of the Beatles or Jimi just might, but of course it was only sposed to happen once. Isn't time for one of these bastards under the age of 65 to do something fantastic, and I don't just mean like Phish or Wynton Marsalis or Stevie Ray Vaughn, way over due for a game changer. I mean were David Byrne, Elvis Costello, Run DMC really the best things in that bag in the last 40 plus years. Time to break out the vats of mandatory communal kool aid. I would like to be the Jim Jones type guy in that type of community, forcing these generations to work off that mind blubber and body blubber. If I was smart I wouldn't post this as it is a full blown ramble. I will say they have had a handful who were at least funny, and that is almost half the battle, i would include Bjork, the famous slim shady guy whatshisname, Johnny Rotten and whoever that famous Jewish rap hip hop group from NYC were/are, they might have even made it to the hof last year, i forget.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 9, 2011 11:06:07 GMT
Thinking too deeply about originality and creativity in todays music does my head in a bit The old argument about everyone being influenced by someone is relevant - The Beatles were influenced by Berry etc so it's all down to influence and interpretation - is it? or what about there being no such thing as "new music" all it is is an arrangement of the same notes and chords recycled and recycled? or the demise of the music industry by the "Cowell - Disney" crap of the last few years? R. you mentioned Bjork I think she is as original as you can get although my opinion is that it's to do with her unique personality and Icelandic culture background however I think her music has always been too "poppy punk" for me. I wonder too what influence Kate Bush has had on her - for me Kate is the ultimate in originality I know at times Kate could get a bit "pop like" too or commercial but she could bring it around more with songs of outstanding uniqueness. Seasick Steve is being hailed (rightly or wrongly) as unique - now I'm no authority on Blues but could someone explain is uniqueness to me Hey the rest of you ;D get posting with lists of anything - we're covering every genre of music here.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 9, 2011 13:15:20 GMT
Favourite Sandy Denny performances - not in any order, they're all gorgeous:
Quiet Joys Of Brotherhood The Lady Listen, Listen The Music Weaver Late November Solo Like An Old Fashioned Waltz I'm A Dreamer No More Sad Refrains A Sailor's Life
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Post by tullist on Jan 9, 2011 17:48:25 GMT
Well originality and talent is the ticket P, cuz absolutely everyone is influenced by something(s) And just by emphasis, those people I mention along with Bjork, are strictly an endorsement of their personalities, and originality in their music, I'm a little too out of the loop to directly like any of the music with real passion, though I can say every Bjork video back to the Sugarcube days I have seen I like, usually alot, and in her case she was given a strong instrument in the case of her voice, sort of that generations Grace Slick. I've got a feeling in Iceland she is still a unique bird, though doubtlessly influenced by her homeland, and in her earliest Sugarcube days or her first Bjork video, I believe also influenced by LSD. In fact I would not be surprised if in that Human Behavior video she was tripping and of course Sugarcubes had been one of the devices by which drops of LSD were transmitted. Its definitely, definitely..... Ditto in terms of humor for the Beastie Boys who's name I could not remember last night, while not an outright fan, each and every one of their videos I have seen show that they bring something very different to the table, again, in that respect very like Tull.
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Post by tullist on Jan 9, 2011 17:56:26 GMT
I have always preferred her work with the Fairports and Fotheringay to her solo work, or even the song she did with Zep, possibly one of Zeps ten best. I would go with Banks of the Nile and the Sea from what had been the sole Fotheringay outing, A Sailors Life off Unhalfbricking which certainly changed the course for Fairport Convention, and to a large extent for that entire genre, and all of Liege and Lief, to me all of those are unscalable walls. Banks of the Nile, Fotheringay www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBSmR7fhNsk
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 9, 2011 20:12:47 GMT
It's a shame that Fotheringay only lasted such a short time. A second album was issued in 2008 which gathered together outtakes and the few recordings made for that aborted album.
Fotheringay2: 1."John the Gun" (Sandy Denny) - 5.07 2."Eppie Moray" - 4.45 3."Wild Mountain Thyme" - 3.51 4."Knights of the Road" (Trevor Lucas/Pete Roach) - 4.10 5."Late November" (Sandy Denny) - 4.40 6."Restless" (Trevor Lucas/Pete Roach) - 2.48 7."Gypsy Davey" - 3.42 8."I Don't Believe You" (Bob Dylan) - 4.45 9."Silver Threads and Golden Needles" (Dick Reynolds/Jack Rhodes) - 4.30 10."Bold Jack Donahue" - 7.38 11."Two Weeks Last Summer" (Dave Cousins) - 3.51
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