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Post by warchild82 on Sept 22, 2010 18:04:36 GMT
Hello everyone. Listening to the album, heavy horses, I observed that Ian's voice sounds different, totally different from songs from the wood, but I can ehar it a bit on jack in the green or cup of wonder. Maybe a bit on the whisler. Does anyone know what caused this change in his voice? He almost sounds sick, like he had something wrong. Thanks. warchild82
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 22, 2010 18:11:13 GMT
Hello everyone. Listening to the album, heavy horses, I observed that Ian's voice sounds different, totally different from songs from the wood, but I can ehar it a bit on jack in the green or cup of wonder. Maybe a bit on the whisler. Does anyone know what caused this change in his voice? He almost sounds sick, like he had something wrong. Thanks. warchild82 Hi Warchild can't say I have ever noticed it.
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Post by warchild82 on Sept 22, 2010 18:26:34 GMT
Listen to minstrel in the gallery, then listen to heavy horses. His voice has an almost hoarse sound to it.
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Post by warchild82 on Sept 22, 2010 18:45:40 GMT
You can't say he isn't a fan. I do think that Ian's voice sounds slightly different in every album, somewhat, especially though, on heavy horses. except not so much in one brown mouse and no lulliby. His voice sounds not as throaty.
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 22, 2010 19:05:16 GMT
Over those years, I am guessing, Ian went back and forth between pipes, roll yer own cigs and store bought cigs...but always smoked a lot, a lot, especially when recording...we might be hearing some inadvertent lab results related to varying tobacco brands.
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Post by warchild82 on Sept 22, 2010 20:09:00 GMT
That could be. who knows? someone said there was a lot of hard times on tours then as well. Not sure. I also heard in the mid 80s Ian's throat was bad, but this was in 78. am I right with the other two things?
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 22, 2010 23:35:28 GMT
Ian's serious before and after vocal troubles came in 1984...before that there was certainly variation and periods of over-touring and too heavy smoking but not really even steady deterioration until the dramatic voice loss and only partial recovery of late 84. His vocal range on 'Under Wraps' is as strong as any other time in his career till then and the boots and official release of the early part of the 84 tour find him strong and loud....then it all fell off a cliff...
A recent interview with Dee Palmer included tales of a carton every couple days during the mixing of heavy Horses...perhaps that really means just mixing...or maybe Ian was still singing here and there during the mixing process.
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Post by tullabye on Sept 23, 2010 5:33:53 GMT
It's intentional. He's always liked Cat Stevens and he was trying to do his best Cat impersonation.
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Post by tommie on Sept 23, 2010 15:31:32 GMT
True. On "H Horses" his "throaty' singing WAS inded intentional. His vocals ere still good in '78; he did this for effect
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Post by warchild82 on Sept 23, 2010 17:56:25 GMT
It's interesting. I was thinking maybe someone influenced him in a way to make that vocal sound. It sounds different, not horrible, well, sometimes, but I still like it as it's very different.
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Post by tim on Mar 23, 2011 18:04:36 GMT
I think Ian did like Cat Stevens. I remember Ian as guest DJ on BBC Radio in the late seventies and he played "Sad Lisa". Plus i think there is no doubt Ian deliberately immitates cats style on Jack in the Green with his "Oh" "Oh" after the "Jack do you never sleep" bridge part of the Song. "Heavy Horses" as has been said seems full of cats growling style of singing
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 23, 2011 18:26:02 GMT
Back in around 72-73 i never understood how little singer-songwriter boy cat stevens kept getting in the same column as big, strong jethro tull, but looking back it makes a lot more sense.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 23, 2011 23:34:04 GMT
I think Ian did like Cat Stevens. I remember Ian as guest DJ on BBC Radio in the late seventies and he played "Sad Lisa". Plus i think there is no doubt Ian deliberately immitates cats style on Jack in the Green with his "Oh" "Oh" after the "Jack do you never sleep" bridge part of the Song. "Heavy Horses" as has been said seems full of cats growling style of singing Yes thats right "oh oh oh oh oh oh I don't have to sleep tonight I'm being followed by a moonshadow moonshadow ... The othe other thing they had in common was fighting for poster space on my bedroon wall
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Post by stevep on Sept 13, 2014 16:39:50 GMT
Was just watching a documentary about Cat Stevens. He is on tour in Europe over the next few months. I seem to remember reading an interview many years back where Ian Anderson said Cat Stevens had given him his guitars when he retired from music in the seventies. IA mentioned that Cat Stevens had liked Tull music and I have often though that there is a similarity between the acoustic guitar styles of both men.
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 13, 2014 17:28:38 GMT
Was just watching a documentary about Cat Stevens. He is on tour in Europe over the next few months. I seem to remember reading an interview many years back where Ian Anderson said Cat Stevens had given him his guitars when he retired from music in the seventies. IA mentioned that Cat Stevens had liked Tull music and I have often though that there is a similarity between the acoustic guitar styles of both men. Never knew that about giving his guitars to IA but it's certainly something he could well have done. Similarity - yes there certainly was when he was with Island Records following his departure from Decca. The singer/songwriter "genre" certainly flourished at Island - Nick Drake, Sandy Denny John Martyn etc wouldn't have got a look in at many other record companies.
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 13, 2014 23:22:06 GMT
Was just watching a documentary about Cat Stevens. He is on tour in Europe over the next few months. I seem to remember reading an interview many years back where Ian Anderson said Cat Stevens had given him his guitars when he retired from music in the seventies. IA mentioned that Cat Stevens had liked Tull music and I have often though that there is a similarity between the acoustic guitar styles of both men. This post has grabbed my attention - I was a Cat Stevens fan before I was a Tull fan. I've been delving about however I keep coming up with the numerous links that Ryan has with Yusuf - I'll post that on Ryan's page soon. As often happens when your looking for something specific you get the odd gem - this is a fine interview with Ian from 2004 with unusual topics. IAN ANDERSON on War, Religion and (why not?) Cat StevensMeth: Cat Stevens is a contemporary of yours. Anderson: Ah yes! Well, you see Cat Stevens would be a much better Governor of California. We actually met, funny enough, just before the opening of the Olympic Games--I bumped into Cat Stevens in Athens. He and I were both doing a TV show for German television. I hadn’t seen him for years and I went over and we chatted for ten minutes on a variety of subjects. He seemed very pleasant, very nice, and I got the inkling that music was becoming a meaningful part of his life again. A musical performance was definitely in the cards. So I was quite pleased with that and he had to go to make-up because he was being interviewed on this TV show—not performing music, just interviewed--so I went my way. Well, after I’d done my performance, his son came rushing over and said, “Oh, did my dad find you?” And I said, “Nope. I didn’t know he was looking for me.” He said, “He’s searching everywhere for you--he’s so embarrassed that he wants to apologize because he didn’t recognize you.” And I said, “Wow! That’s amazing! You tell your dad that raises him even higher in my esteem, that he would be so nice and pleasant and give ten minutes of interesting and pleasing conversation to someone who he must have regarded as a complete stranger.” (laughs) One feels a little sorry for him having endured perhaps a degree of vilification, and certainly humiliation when he was denied entrance to the U.S. because we were told that the authorities had confused his name with another person who was on the terrorist list. I rather suspect there was more to it than that. My feeling is because of his pronunciations some years ago against Salmon Rushdie, when pressed on the issue, concurring with a fatwah put him in a pretty bad light, although Cat Stevens has always been a peaceful and inspiring person in regards to peace and tolerance and so-on. He is the benign face of Islam that unfortunately has been tainted by some assumption that he is aligned with the extremists. I really don’t believe for one second that he is or ever has been. I think we need more people like Yusef Islam who are going to stand up and show us the kind and caring and responsible and very human face of Islam. We need a lot more Yusef Islams, whether they call themselves that or Cat Stevens. www.cliffordmeth.com/ianandersononwarreligionan.htmOn the question of whether Cat gave his guitars to Ian. I don't think he did. Found this quote from an interview by CBS News 12the August 2007 He says this about when he had the urge again to play "A big turning point happened when my son brought back a guitar into the house — You know, 'cause I'd given all those guitars away to charity — way back in 1979 and hadn't really touched the instrument, you know, for like two decades. ... So then one day ... when everybody's asleep and nobody's watching, I pick it up — and lo and behold, I still know where to put my fingers and out comes this music.." To my mind that would seem feasible given the reason why Cat left music in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 13:40:07 GMT
I love Tea For The Tullerman
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Post by Equus on Sept 14, 2014 13:59:52 GMT
Was just watching a documentary about Cat Stevens. He is on tour in Europe over the next few months. I seem to remember reading an interview many years back where Ian Anderson said Cat Stevens had given him his guitars when he retired from music in the seventies. IA mentioned that Cat Stevens had liked Tull music and I have often though that there is a similarity between the acoustic guitar styles of both men. This post has grabbed my attention - I was a Cat Stevens fan before I was a Tull fan. I've been delving about however I keep coming up with the numerous links that Ryan has with Yusuf - I'll post that on Ryan's page soon. As often happens when your looking for something specific you get the odd gem - this is a fine interview with Ian from 2004 with unusual topics. IAN ANDERSON on War, Religion and (why not?) Cat StevensMeth: Cat Stevens is a contemporary of yours. Anderson: Ah yes! Well, you see Cat Stevens would be a much better Governor of California. We actually met, funny enough, just before the opening of the Olympic Games--I bumped into Cat Stevens in Athens. He and I were both doing a TV show for German television. I hadn’t seen him for years and I went over and we chatted for ten minutes on a variety of subjects. He seemed very pleasant, very nice, and I got the inkling that music was becoming a meaningful part of his life again. A musical performance was definitely in the cards. So I was quite pleased with that and he had to go to make-up because he was being interviewed on this TV show—not performing music, just interviewed--so I went my way. Well, after I’d done my performance, his son came rushing over and said, “Oh, did my dad find you?” And I said, “Nope. I didn’t know he was looking for me.” He said, “He’s searching everywhere for you--he’s so embarrassed that he wants to apologize because he didn’t recognize you.” And I said, “Wow! That’s amazing! You tell your dad that raises him even higher in my esteem, that he would be so nice and pleasant and give ten minutes of interesting and pleasing conversation to someone who he must have regarded as a complete stranger.” (laughs) One feels a little sorry for him having endured perhaps a degree of vilification, and certainly humiliation when he was denied entrance to the U.S. because we were told that the authorities had confused his name with another person who was on the terrorist list. I rather suspect there was more to it than that. My feeling is because of his pronunciations some years ago against Salmon Rushdie, when pressed on the issue, concurring with a fatwah put him in a pretty bad light, although Cat Stevens has always been a peaceful and inspiring person in regards to peace and tolerance and so-on. He is the benign face of Islam that unfortunately has been tainted by some assumption that he is aligned with the extremists. I really don’t believe for one second that he is or ever has been. I think we need more people like Yusef Islam who are going to stand up and show us the kind and caring and responsible and very human face of Islam. We need a lot more Yusef Islams, whether they call themselves that or Cat Stevens. www.cliffordmeth.com/ianandersononwarreligionan.htmOn the question of whether Cat gave his guitars to Ian. I don't think he did. Found this quote from an interview by CBS News 12the August 2007 He says this about when he had the urge again to play "A big turning point happened when my son brought back a guitar into the house — You know, 'cause I'd given all those guitars away to charity — way back in 1979 and hadn't really touched the instrument, you know, for like two decades. ... So then one day ... when everybody's asleep and nobody's watching, I pick it up — and lo and behold, I still know where to put my fingers and out comes this music.." To my mind that would seem feasible given the reason why Cat left music in the first place. Good to hear this from Ian... I have always liked Cat Stevens. I'm not so sure about Yusef Islam... The remarks about killing Salman Rushdie were unfortunate indeed... I surely hope that he didn't mean it... The fatwa against Salman Rushdie were, and is an attack against free speech, and therefore an attack against everyone... Free speech is the backbone of any free civilization. It is therefore very unfortunate that he made those remarks... People were murdered because of this book, and the western governments did just about nothing... He will remain in the quagmire of these remarks, until he clearly, and unmistakably denounces them... though that will probably not help... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie
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Post by JTull 007 on Sept 14, 2014 16:25:55 GMT
Good to hear this from Ian... I have always liked Cat Stevens. I'm not so sure about Yusef Islam... The remarks about killing Salman Rushdie were unfortunate indeed... I surely hope that he didn't mean it... The fatwa against Salman Rushdie were, and is an attack against free speech, and therefore an attack against everyone... Free speech is the backbone of any free civilization. It is therefore very unfortunate that he made those remarks... People were murdered because of this book, and the western governments did just about nothing... He will remain in the quagmire of these remarks, until he clearly, and unmistakably denounces them... though that will probably not help... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie Lord help us. From guitars to religion and free speech.
I for one loved Cat Stevens and was not impressed when he got too political about Rushdie. Sometimes we all get a little too pious about our own beliefs which makes us look intolerant.
It's very easy to hate something that you or I may never even consider as a possible faith. When some "Entertainers" become political it can be a disaster depending on your fan base. (Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, Toby Keith, Dixie Chicks, Bob Dylan, Dave Mustaine, Bono...Ian Anderson?)
We all have prejudice at times so I'll cut most musicians some slack. I'm not perfect either. Regardless, Cat Yusuf Stevens Islam will always be someone we all should enjoy.
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Post by Equus on Sept 14, 2014 18:47:01 GMT
Good to hear this from Ian... I have always liked Cat Stevens. I'm not so sure about Yusef Islam... The remarks about killing Salman Rushdie were unfortunate indeed... I surely hope that he didn't mean it... The fatwa against Salman Rushdie were, and is an attack against free speech, and therefore an attack against everyone... Free speech is the backbone of any free civilization. It is therefore very unfortunate that he made those remarks... People were murdered because of this book, and the western governments did just about nothing... He will remain in the quagmire of these remarks, until he clearly, and unmistakably denounces them... though that will probably not help... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie Lord help us. From guitars to religion and free speech.
I for one loved Cat Stevens and was not impressed when he got too political about Rushdie. Sometimes we all get a little too pious about our own beliefs which makes us look intolerant.
It's very easy to hate something that you or I may never even consider as a possible faith. When some "Entertainers" become political it can be a disaster depending on your fan base. (Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, Toby Keith, Dixie Chicks, Bob Dylan, Dave Mustaine, Bono...Ian Anderson?)
We all have prejudice at times so I'll cut most musicians some slack. I'm not perfect either. Regardless, Cat Yusuf Stevens Islam will always be someone we all should enjoy.You are right Jim. Great song by the way! Now let's discuss the names... I'm only kidding!!
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Post by jackinthegreen on Sept 14, 2014 19:16:09 GMT
I haven't been aware of any great difference between Ian's voice between Songs from the Wood and Heavy Horses. What I always thought from way before that time, was the track "Inside" on the Benefit album........wow, where did that superb voice come from Love it.....
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