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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 19:43:32 GMT
Are we clear that the original version of Teacher as appearing on the UK single in 1970 is a completely different version of the song that has appeared since in a number of mixes on Tull cds.Check out the intro and Mrtin's guitar solos.Having read through the various threads on the board it does not appear to be clear on this point. Beastie x Yes. "OK, so I think there are 6 versions/mixes of Teacher available:" Version 1 (UK/European single version) a) 1969 stereo mix found in UK & France 45s b) 1969 mono mix found on other Euro 45s Version 2 (US album version) c) 1970 mono mix found on US reprise promo 45 (possibly a fold down?) d) 1970 stereo mix on US Benefit album e) 1971 stereo remix on LITP double album f) 1993 stereo remix on 25th Anniversary box set. per Warchild
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 17, 2010 7:18:28 GMT
Are we clear that the original version of Teacher as appearing on the UK single in 1970 is a completely different version of the song that has appeared since in a number of mixes on Tull cds.Check out the intro and Mrtin's guitar solos.Having read through the various threads on the board it does not appear to be clear on this point. Beastie x Yes. "OK, so I think there are 6 versions/mixes of Teacher available:" Version 1 (UK/European single version) a) 1969 stereo mix found in UK & France 45s b) 1969 mono mix found on other Euro 45s Version 2 (US album version) c) 1970 mono mix found on US reprise promo 45 (possibly a fold down?) d) 1970 stereo mix on US Benefit album e) 1971 stereo remix on LITP double album f) 1993 stereo remix on 25th Anniversary box set. per Warchild Excuse my ignorance but what's a "fold down" ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 14:09:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2010 19:27:37 GMT
Are we clear that the original version of Teacher as appearing on the UK single in 1970 is a completely different version of the song that has appeared since in a number of mixes on Tull cds.Check out the intro and Mrtin's guitar solos.Having read through the various threads on the board it does not appear to be clear on this point. Beastie x Now I'm confused. To be clear that would be 1969?
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Post by headmaster on Aug 19, 2010 9:01:01 GMT
Greetings fellow Tull fans,
Having perused this forum from time to time with interest I thought it time to take part.As a Tull fan of many years it heartens me to see such interest in Jethro Tull is still out there worldwide. Now some blurb about Teacher. In December 1969 following a two month tour of the USA which had ended on December 14th in Chicago, the band flew back to London and almost immediately went into Morgan Studios in London accompanied by the the ever present early years producer Robin Black.Two of the new tracks from this short pre Xmas recording session were Witches Promise and Teacher.Following a return to the studio in early January and whilst new songs were being written and recorded for what turned out to be the Benefit album, Witches Promise/Teacher was released as a double A sided single on the 16th of January 1970 complete with photo cover which were individual shots of the band taken on their US Autumn tour 1969 at the Fillmore West.By March 1970 the new single had entered the top ten and underlined the ever growing popularity of Jethro Tull.
Regards, Knave.
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 19, 2010 9:54:52 GMT
Greetings fellow Tull fans, Having perused this forum from time to time with interest I thought it time to take part.As a Tull fan of many years it heartens me to see such interest in Jethro Tull is still out there worldwide. Now some blurb about Teacher. In December 1969 following a two month tour of the USA which had ended on December 14th in Chicago, the band flew back to London and almost immediately went into Morgan Studios in London accompanied by the the ever present early years producer Robin Black.Two of the new tracks from this short pre Xmas recording session were Witches Promise and Teacher.Following a return to the studio in early January and whilst new songs were being written and recorded for what turned out to be the Benefit album, Witches Promise/Teacher was released as a double A sided single on the 16th of January 1970 complete with photo cover which were individual shots of the band taken on their US Autumn tour 1969 at the Fillmore West.By March 1970 the new single had entered the top ten and underlined the ever growing popularity of Jethro Tull. Regards, Knave. PreviewAnd greetings to you as well Headmaster. Good to have you onboard. I've posted the UK pic sleeve below for anyone who is trying to find the single on ebay, or elsewhere. Look forward to reading more of your thoughts on Tull and anything else that takes your fancy. Cheers Maddog
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Post by headmaster on Aug 19, 2010 11:40:55 GMT
Well thank you Maddog.I realised after my post had gone up that Robin Black was of course the engineer and not the producer.Ian Anderson assumed that role.
Okay so relating to the current topic of Stand up being reissued there is not too much that I can add though a dvd of some of the live stuff as a comilation would have been a good touch with maybe interviews with Ian and Martin relating to those concerts. On the other hand at the risk of opening a box that some would arge should remain closed - what about the Living in the Past dub mix ep released in 1993.Four very unique tracks for sure which many Tull fans would not have heard.Should this material be included.Probably not but its a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2010 14:08:51 GMT
Greetings fellow Tull fans, Having perused this forum from time to time with interest I thought it time to take part.As a Tull fan of many years it heartens me to see such interest in Jethro Tull is still out there worldwide. Now some blurb about Teacher. In December 1969 following a two month tour of the USA which had ended on December 14th in Chicago, the band flew back to London and almost immediately went into Morgan Studios in London accompanied by the the ever present early years producer Robin Black.Two of the new tracks from this short pre Xmas recording session were Witches Promise and Teacher.Following a return to the studio in early January and whilst new songs were being written and recorded for what turned out to be the Benefit album, Witches Promise/Teacher was released as a double A sided single on the 16th of January 1970 complete with photo cover which were individual shots of the band taken on their US Autumn tour 1969 at the Fillmore West.By March 1970 the new single had entered the top ten and underlined the ever growing popularity of Jethro Tull. Regards, Knave. headmaster, welcome to the forum. Thank you for the info. Cheers! -tootull
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2010 14:10:46 GMT
& thanks to Maddog as usual.
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 19, 2010 16:40:15 GMT
Well thank you Maddog.I realised after my post had gone up that Robin Black was of course the engineer and not the producer.Ian Anderson assumed that role. Okay so relating to the current topic of Stand up being reissued there is not too much that I can add though a dvd of some of the live stuff as a comilation would have been a good touch with maybe interviews with Ian and Martin relating to those concerts. On the other hand at the risk of opening a box that some would arge should remain closed - what about the Living in the Past dub mix ep released in 1993.Four very unique tracks for sure which many Tull fans would not have heard.Should this material be included.Probably not but its a thought. Headmaster. . . . yes but ;D Oh there's a wealth of unissued stuff in filing cabinets/recording studio libraries/archives/band member's attics/personal hiding places How about any of the following (and there's a heck of a lot more - see the Holy Grail thread): The Tallis album. Only one track ("Disturbed Air") has ever surfaced, on a cover mounted CD given away by AND in 2001. It's a corker of an album - I heard it once in its entirety as one of the UK convention bods had a tape of it back in 1996. The entire output of The Penny Peeps one of Martin Barre's pre Tull bands. Only a few "remastered" tracks, probably dubbed from vinyl, have ever surfaced on a couple of compilation discs. And while we're about it, the album's worth of material that another of MB's pre Tull bands Gethsemene recorded. Obviously the Candy Coloured Rain tracks may be lurking somewhere in Abbey Road and the Colour Me Pop video footage from 1968 maybe in some overseas TV archive. Any more from anybody?
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Post by headmaster on Aug 19, 2010 17:37:30 GMT
Hmm..are we digressing from the Stand Up reissue here...well how's about the following..
Warchild Orchestral [ 1974] The Water's Edge [1979]
Then of course there are the additional unreleased tracks that never made it onto vinyl from different recording sessions eg Dinosaur/Sailor etc
Then there are those rare Tull tracks like Blues for the 18th/Aeroplane/Blues Instrumental etc that have never seen the light of day on a Tull cd selection.
Oh yeah and what about all those intro tapes recorded as tracks in the studio by the band which introduced the start of Tull shows for years..Eg.Under Wraps theme/Crest of a knave etc.
I have a question - are the tracks inside/alive and well and living in that appeared as a UK single in 1970 the same mixes as their album versions?
Be seeing you..Headmaster.
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 19, 2010 17:57:30 GMT
Hmm..are we digressing from the Stand Up reissue here.... Probably are Sir - may I direct you to jethrotull.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=317just in case you haven't been there yet. I have a question - are the tracks inside/alive and well and living in that appeared as a UK single in 1970 the same mixes as their album versions? Don't know without getting the vinyl out and having a listen - Mr Tootull may know ;D By the way, "Blues For The 18th" has been liberated and appeared on a legit cd set by the producer Derek Lawrence back in the early 90's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2010 18:24:43 GMT
"Don't know without getting the vinyl out and having a listen - Mr Tootull may know" Get out that vinyl, I'm too young for this. 1972 Tull or later for this cat. lol
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 20, 2010 9:00:36 GMT
"Don't know without getting the vinyl out and having a listen - Mr Tootull may know" Get out that vinyl, I'm too young for this. 1972 Tull or later for this cat. lol Have to get you interested in obtaining pre '72 vinyl Tootull. I'll put some of my European 7" picture sleeves/labels up on the Forum and try to get you interested ;D As for Inside & Alive and Well . . . . , I'll stick my neck out and say the vinyl single and original album tracks are the same mixes although they may have been "tweeked" for the remaster of Benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2010 14:09:19 GMT
Have to get you interested in obtaining pre '72 vinyl Tootull. I'm completely happy with CD, SACD, & DVD-A +++. My vinyl buying days are dead. I'm happy to see your vinyl collection. Better than any other museum, as they lack Tull stuff. ;D Please note or beware, (don't get me started) I have been censored at Shtv for my negative views on vinyl's crackle & pop. The noise floor of vinyl has always bothered me. Countless warped records. Because of the other mediums you will rarely see me in the return line. Cheers! -tootull
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 20, 2010 15:41:23 GMT
I never understand vinyl nostalgia...who misses skips, scratches, pops, squeaks and interrupting sex or scrabble every 18 minutes to flip sides? The only 'benefit' i remember from vinyl days is using the fold open covers for seperating out the stems and seeds...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2010 20:09:30 GMT
Yeah, I'm with you steelmonkey. Spin me back down the years and the days of my youth. ...and shut out the whole truth. Spin me down the long ages: let them sing the song. & the Beatles white album was good for that stuff. With Tull's Stand Up (pop up) it would be a little more difficult. haha
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 20, 2010 21:28:12 GMT
Think Ian did the pop-up on purpose...to confound and frustrate fans who dared use his album and image to clean weed ?
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 21, 2010 14:17:10 GMT
and interrupting sex or scrabble every 18 minutes to flip sides? Case of Discus Interruptus?
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Post by maddogfagin on Aug 21, 2010 14:50:55 GMT
Have to get you interested in obtaining pre '72 vinyl Tootull. I'm completely happy with CD, SACD, & DVD-A +++. My vinyl buying days are dead. I'm happy to see your vinyl collection. Better than any other museum, as they lack Tull stuff. ;D Please note or beware, (don't get me started) I have been censored at Shtv for my negative views on vinyl's crackle & pop. The noise floor of vinyl has always bothered me. Countless warped records. Because of the other mediums you will rarely see me in the return line. Cheers! -tootull That OK by me - no Shtv censorship here. The thing about vinyl with me is the way the various companies marketed an artist around the world. The same disc/release could be issued in so many different sleeves, both single/extended play/long play, as any Beatles fan would vouch. The same thing happened with Tull, as some of the continental pic sleeves show and every year they get more difficult to find. In these days of having the same artwork on a CD around the world, the days of vinyl releases with alternative covers is now sadly a thing of the past. With vinyl it is/was a visual experience as well as a listening one. I also think that in this day and age of remasters of an artists back catalogue, Tull included, there is a tempatation to "play around", by some remixing engineers, with the music to a degree which is not beneficial to the fans or even casual purchaser. As you have gone into some length about some of the mixes which have been put out with the Tull back catalogue I can only but applaud your "reviews" of each one you've posted Tootull. I suppose that what is needed, unless it has already been done, is a definitive listing of the best overall mix/sound/depth etc of each album but even then there will always be a difference of opinion depending on the individual listening to the record.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2010 15:33:54 GMT
That OK by me - no Shtv censorship here. The thing about vinyl with me is the way the various companies marketed an artist around the world. The same disc/release could be issued in so many different sleeves, both single/extended play/long play, as any Beatles fan would vouch. The same thing happened with Tull, as some of the continental pic sleeves show and every year they get more difficult to find. In these days of having the same artwork on a CD around the world, the days of vinyl releases with alternative covers is now sadly a thing of the past. With vinyl it is/was a visual experience as well as a listening one. I also think that in this day and age of remasters of an artists back catalogue, Tull included, there is a tempatation to "play around", by some remixing engineers, with the music to a degree which is not beneficial to the fans or even casual purchaser. As you have gone into some length about some of the mixes which have been put out with the Tull back catalogue I can only but applaud your "reviews" of each one you've posted Tootull. I suppose that what is needed, unless it has already been done, is a definitive listing of the best overall mix/sound/depth etc of each album but even then there will always be a difference of opinion depending on the individual listening to the record. "the days of vinyl releases with alternative covers is now sadly a thing of the past. With vinyl it is/was a visual experience as well as a listening one." Yeah, with vinyl, those were golden days for collecting. Although, with CD the Tull single CD's have been cool. Apologies to those affected, as we take this thread right off "Stand Up" & into collectors corner hell. Oh well, such is life. (I don't believe there was a North American release for these) Some of my favourite covers on CD singles: s1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/tootull/?action=view¤t=SaidSheWasADancer.jpgs1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/tootull/?action=view¤t=PartOfTheMachine.jpgs1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/tootull/?action=view¤t=Livingin.jpg
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Post by conundrum on Aug 27, 2010 7:19:23 GMT
3.There are two mixes of album versions of Teacher which first surfaced on the US version of the Benefit album.However the original UK SINGLE of Witches Promise/Teacher featured a very different version of Teacher. Again to my knowledge this version has never been released since but deserves to be as its very good and was one of the tracks that first got me into Tull. 4.Chronologically the Carnegie Hall gig in 1970 is clearly Benefit era and does not really fit in with the Stand Up release. If the record company wanted to put out a dvd from 1969, the many vids now showing on utube of Stand Up tracks being played live or mimed would surely have been just as viable if not more so as the quality of film on some of these shows is excellent. I agree. This is more suited for a Benefit 2CD/DVD collection if there ever was to be one (and there should!). But I am fine with it and will certainly buy it!
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 14, 2010 17:53:55 GMT
Just in time for my Birthday (10-31) talk amongst yourselves so I don't find more than one copy in the morning mail.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 18:03:52 GMT
Just in time for my Birthday (10-31) talk amongst yourselves so I don't find more than one copy in the morning mail. Funny. Since it's my birthday this week, I guess they missed it by this much, eh.
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 14, 2010 19:23:32 GMT
Brother T-2....I'll forward one of my duplicate copies to you ( optimism rules) When is your b-day? How many will you be ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 20:08:27 GMT
Brother T-2....I'll forward one of my duplicate copies to you ( optimism rules) When is your b-day? How many will you be ? Well, well, WELL, hell, everyone born in 1955 turns 55 this year. When is your b-day? Birthday week is better. LOL
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Post by deepseadiversounds on Sept 14, 2010 23:43:06 GMT
I will get it. I love that album.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 18:09:13 GMT
4 Rolling Stone magic stars! Big deal. This was given four stars by Rolling Stone Record Guide (1979) This Was, too. The comp. Living in the Past lead with 5 stars. The surround sound is of interest to me. Waiting for those reviews.
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