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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 16, 2009 15:26:45 GMT
It seems to me that all performers in the strata that ian and Tull occupy, Need to get some sort of high level buzz of recognition, acceptance, approval from the audience...many musicians talk of this need like an addiction, that keeps them on the roads and onstage long after the house is paid and the piggy-bank is full. Somewhere back there, Ian decided he could get his buzz from new audiences rather than old audiences re-acting to new material...so Tull plays furthur and furthur afield, where grateful Turks, Lebanese and Ukranians hear Aqualung and Locomotive Breath live, for the first time, having never imagined they would have the good fortune to see Tull...and Ian leaves the stage fulfilled in his mission as a musician..There is no end in sight..I mean, A billion Chinese have yet to se Tull live....it's only a matter of time.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 16, 2009 17:06:22 GMT
It seems to me that all performers in the strata that ian and Tull occupy, Need to get some sort of high level buzz of recognition, acceptance, approval from the audience...many musicians talk of this need like an addiction, that keeps them on the roads and onstage long after the house is paid and the piggy-bank is full. Somewhere back there, Ian decided he could get his buzz from new audiences rather than old audiences re-acting to new material...so Tull plays furthur and furthur afield, where grateful Turks, Lebanese and Ukranians hear Aqualung and Locomotive Breath live, for the first time, having never imagined they would have the good fortune to see Tull...and Ian leaves the stage fulfilled in his mission as a musician..There is no end in sight..I mean, A billion Chinese have yet to se Tull live....it's only a matter of time. I rather suspect your right dear chap and whats more I've given ye a karma for yer troubles guv Yeah I forgot the untapped Chinese public- Tull Ltd must be reading our posts and i31.images obliterated by tinypic/e9itxy.jpg[/IMG]
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Post by mix on Jul 16, 2009 17:20:44 GMT
Hang on there you two. Ian announced (last news?) he was going to be playing less further afield. If you look at this years tour dates this is clearly happening. We have yet another UK tour in September. Usually Tull toured the UK every 2-3 years now its every year. The US dates are now diminishing and Ian is working more in Europe. I think the days of Tull going further afield are over. Ian is getting on a bit, who can blame him.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 16, 2009 19:04:10 GMT
Hang on there you two. Ian announced (last news?) he was going to be playing less further afield. If you look at this years tour dates this is clearly happening. We have yet another UK tour in September. Usually Tull toured the UK every 2-3 years now its every year. The US dates are now diminishing and Ian is working more in Europe. I think the days of Tull going further afield are over. Ian is getting on a bit, who can blame him. I can't see that news Mix where is it? I have checked the official site and it has at last been updated since May however I can't see any updating there either
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 16, 2009 19:04:50 GMT
Good points Mix...but wait...maybe Ian is a step ahead of us and counting on his ever-aging audience forgetting how many times they have heard Aqualung and Locomotive Breath live...and he awaits the look of joy on our faces as we congratulate each other on hearing rare chestnuts...like, say, Bouree. performed live and in person!
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Post by TM on Jul 16, 2009 19:48:37 GMT
It seems to me that all performers in the strata that ian and Tull occupy, Need to get some sort of high level buzz of recognition, acceptance, approval from the audience...many musicians talk of this need like an addiction, that keeps them on the roads and onstage long after the house is paid and the piggy-bank is full. Somewhere back there, Ian decided he could get his buzz from new audiences rather than old audiences re-acting to new material...so Tull plays furthur and furthur afield, where grateful Turks, Lebanese and Ukranians hear Aqualung and Locomotive Breath live, for the first time, having never imagined they would have the good fortune to see Tull...and Ian leaves the stage fulfilled in his mission as a musician..There is no end in sight..I mean, A billion Chinese have yet to se Tull live....it's only a matter of time. I think you nailed it.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 16, 2009 20:30:25 GMT
wait...maybe Ian is a step ahead of us and counting on his ever-aging audience forgetting how many times they have heard Aqualung and Locomotive Breath live...and he awaits the look of joy on our faces as we congratulate each other on hearing rare chestnuts...like, say, Bouree. performed live and in person! God what a thought ;D i31.images obliterated by tinypic/2qtei2q.jpg[/IMG] "Sitting on a park bench? Whose sitting on a park bench? What's he talking about - where's the park?.... where's my teeth? ..............
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 16, 2009 20:52:15 GMT
Great picture Non-Rabbit...scary...but great...to paraphrase REM: That's me in the corner, that's me in the front row, losing my cognition'
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Post by tullistray on Jul 16, 2009 21:08:12 GMT
Maybe part of the delay is because of the difficulty of co ordinating schedules with Anoushka Shankar, they both spoke of getting in the studio together, and from what little I heard, the piece Celtic Cradle particularly bears recording. But this is from someone who considers Eurology, Boris Dancing and Grimminelli's Lament w/Lucia as well as the Mozart thing with Lucia to be amongst Tull's better moments in the past decade or so, so I know I hardly speak for the class. Given the near total disinterest in Dot Com, a record I consider the superior of a few of their "classic" works, I can see to a point where getting back in the studio lacks urgency. I mean I like Donkey and the Drum and Birnham Wood alot but it will hardly rate any radio play. I am not expecting another TAAB or SFTW but I still believe they are aging very nicely, sort of as they should.
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Post by TM on Jul 16, 2009 21:35:47 GMT
Maybe part of the delay is because of the difficulty of co ordinating schedules with Anoushka Shankar, they both spoke of getting in the studio together, and from what little I heard, the piece Celtic Cradle particularly bears recording. But this is from someone who considers Eurology, Boris Dancing and Grimminelli's Lament w/Lucia as well as the Mozart thing with Lucia to be amongst Tull's better moments in the past decade or so, so I know I hardly speak for the class. Given the near total disinterest in Dot Com, a record I consider the superior of a few of their "classic" works, I can see to a point where getting back in the studio lacks urgency. I mean I like Donkey and the Drum and Birnham Wood alot but it will hardly rate any radio play. I am not expecting another TAAB or SFTW but I still believe they are aging very nicely, sort of as they should. Yes, sort of like Limburger.
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Post by tommie on Jul 16, 2009 22:57:50 GMT
I haved loved Tull and Ian (as an extraordinary songwriter/musician/performer) for almost 40 years, so the following is not a knock:
It's about time that everyone realizes, accepts and admits that.....for close to a DECADE now...... JT is and has been........nothing more than a NOSTALGIA act, a lounge act, if you will......a greatest hits act. Ian is Mike Love and Tull, on the road and on disc are the Beach Boys. boo hoo. Except Ian cant sing anymore and with his left leg in the air, doing his comedic "schtick" he's......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz yawn.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 17, 2009 1:26:19 GMT
Tommie's right....no no no...not about Tull...about the Beach Boys and mike love trotting their tired $h1t around the festival circuit...and as soon as i find THEIR fan forum...I'm gonna tell 'em so myself! See you there Tommie!
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Post by TM on Jul 17, 2009 1:30:54 GMT
Like SM said, Ian's focus is not on his core fan base. It's on the casual or distant fan that's never heard Aqualung more than maybe once or twice.
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Post by rebecca on Jul 17, 2009 3:43:45 GMT
Tommie's right....no no no...not about Tull...about the Beach Boys and mike love trotting their tired $h1t around the festival circuit...and as soon as i find THEIR fan forum...I'm gonna tell 'em so myself! See you there Tommie! thebeachboys.forumsunlimited.com/
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Post by tommie on Jul 17, 2009 5:22:32 GMT
Good ones, Rebecca y TM !
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 17, 2009 7:39:08 GMT
Tommie's right....no no no...not about Tull...about the Beach Boys and mike love trotting their tired $h1t around the festival circuit...and as soon as i find THEIR fan forum...I'm gonna tell 'em so myself! See you there Tommie! Now you two behave yourselves over there - they seem a nice bunch with names like "Godonlyknows" etc etc If however, you can't then don't mention this FORUM ;D ;D
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 17, 2009 15:03:53 GMT
Yeah..let's turn this discussion around and accuse the Beach Boys of acting like boring old Tull...trotting out greatest hits, playing cheesier and cheesier venues and refusing to produce new stuff...who knows ( God only?) maybe this will lead to a Tull/Beach Boys tour and musical collaborations: Sweet Vibrations? Barbara Lynn, Help me Nursie?
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Post by rebecca on Jul 17, 2009 16:10:48 GMT
Of course the advantage the Beach Boys don't have is that they're without Brian Wilson. I say any band without the original driving creative force is what crosses into nostalgia band territory as far as I'm concerned. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Everybody needs to make a living and I think it's just a fact that the creative juices are stronger at some times than others. If people want to pay them for doing what they want to do, more power to 'em.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 17, 2009 16:34:04 GMT
Maybe part of the delay is because of the difficulty of co ordinating schedules with Anoushka Shankar, they both spoke of getting in the studio together, and from what little I heard, the piece Celtic Cradle particularly bears recording. But this is from someone who considers Eurology, Boris Dancing and Grimminelli's Lament w/Lucia as well as the Mozart thing with Lucia to be amongst Tull's better moments in the past decade or so, so I know I hardly speak for the class. Given the near total disinterest in Dot Com, a record I consider the superior of a few of their "classic" works, I can see to a point where getting back in the studio lacks urgency. I mean I like Donkey and the Drum and Birnham Wood alot but it will hardly rate any radio play. I am not expecting another TAAB or SFTW but I still believe they are aging very nicely, sort of as they should. I'll nail my colours to the mast - I rate Dot Com highly ;D The newer stuff - not classic Tull but one or two worthy of inclusion on the new album. Sweepstake anyone? Put my name down for February 2010. Ever the optimist
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Post by TM on Jul 17, 2009 18:36:25 GMT
Of course the advantage the Beach Boys don't have is that they're without Brian Wilson. I say any band without the original driving creative force is what crosses into nostalgia band territory as far as I'm concerned. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Everybody needs to make a living and I think it's just a fact that the creative juices are stronger at some times than others. If people want to pay them for doing what they want to do, more power to 'em. C'mon now Rebecca, the original driving force of Tull has been gone for years.
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Post by TM on Jul 17, 2009 18:40:44 GMT
Maybe part of the delay is because of the difficulty of co ordinating schedules with Anoushka Shankar, they both spoke of getting in the studio together, and from what little I heard, the piece Celtic Cradle particularly bears recording. But this is from someone who considers Eurology, Boris Dancing and Grimminelli's Lament w/Lucia as well as the Mozart thing with Lucia to be amongst Tull's better moments in the past decade or so, so I know I hardly speak for the class. Given the near total disinterest in Dot Com, a record I consider the superior of a few of their "classic" works, I can see to a point where getting back in the studio lacks urgency. I mean I like Donkey and the Drum and Birnham Wood alot but it will hardly rate any radio play. I am not expecting another TAAB or SFTW but I still believe they are aging very nicely, sort of as they should. I'll nail my colours to the mast - I rate Dot Com highly ;D The newer stuff - not classic Tull but one or two worthy of inclusion on the new album. Sweepstake anyone? Put my name down for February 2010. Ever the optimist Dot Com's okay, but I'd rate Catfish as the best album of the 90's. My guess, if there is a new album would be fall of 2010 at the earliest. Ah! There's a good poll for ya! What will come out first in the US, a new Tull/IA record or the 40th Anniversary video? !!!! Incidentally, if anyone cares, the 40th video should be appearing on our shores within a couple of months. Just in a nick of time.
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Post by tommie on Jul 17, 2009 21:03:46 GMT
HaHa .You guys are the best! Wit and humour (notice the British spelling from this Bronx homeboy?)
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 17, 2009 21:22:12 GMT
Howcome Tull failed to commerate the 20th anniversary of the 20th anniversary box set and tour...huh?
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 17, 2009 21:43:12 GMT
HaHa .You guys are the best! Wit and humour (notice the British spelling from this Bronx homeboy?) Why thank you very much guv'nr and appreciate the spelling ;D
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Post by TM on Jul 17, 2009 23:57:31 GMT
HaHa .You guys are the best! Wit and humour (notice the British spelling from this Bronx homeboy?) Now if you could just work on your Bronx accent. ;D
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Post by TullSkull on Jul 18, 2009 0:43:10 GMT
Ian says he no longer likes loud, hard rock. Fine, I could deal with that. But why does this mean he can only do solo and orchestral albums. Why not a new Jethro Tull album consisting of all acoustic rock material, like Jack-A-Lynn, Witch's Promise, Life's a Long Song, The Clasp or any of the material from Secret Language? Ian has always said that he loves acoustic songs with an aggressive edge to them. I think we would all be very happy with something like that. Jeff Hi All... Been awhile for me again.. But this is just the point, To Me! Something new, Please.. with an aggressive edge. But as stated above by others, it's been 10 years now. Other bands have put out new stuff and done tours. Ian seems to only tour and do re-releases. That has to say something in it's self. There is money for him to make in a new release, he just can't see that. But, Like above he is gettin his fill with the crowds that have not ever heard them live before, yet he leaves the long time fans Living in the Past. May be Ian has pulled a rabbit from his hat, sniffed the air and said, well thats, thats... I'm going... To Tour Forever!! Oh sorry
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Post by rebecca on Jul 18, 2009 3:24:00 GMT
Of course the advantage the Beach Boys don't have is that they're without Brian Wilson. I say any band without the original driving creative force is what crosses into nostalgia band territory as far as I'm concerned. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Everybody needs to make a living and I think it's just a fact that the creative juices are stronger at some times than others. If people want to pay them for doing what they want to do, more power to 'em. Clive Bunker? C'mon now Rebecca, the original driving force of Tull has been gone for years.
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Post by mix on Jul 18, 2009 11:49:21 GMT
I'm with TM regarding Catfish, it's the last Tull album that pushed the envelope. Dot com had some interesting tracks such as Bends Like A Willow but it's not an album I find myself revisiting often. Now had SLOB been combined with Dot Com that would have been interesting but you get the feeling Ian kept the best material for SLOB considering they were recorded around the same time.
I actually think Ian has plenty of recorded new material in the can. Remember back 6 or so years when Ian answered all our questions (Audio still up on Tull site maybe?) and Ian mentioned he had recently recorded a piece that was 20mins long. Nothing heard about that since.
It is a great shame the Tull website is not more dynamic and exciting. Personally I can't stand the new look. It doesn't even display right. Why he continues to employ David Coursey to run the site is beyond me. The website needs some energy about it. It needs to celebrate Tull's wonderful past with unreleased photos, interviews, music (perhaps some of those works in progress demo's) and so on. As I mentioned before, the website could be making $$$. Let's see: what would you guys pay to download a new song should Ian put one up today?
Ian seems happy to ignore his hardcore fan base but it is us who would part with premium amounts to get our ears on new music. I'm amazed Ian isn't exploiting us.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 18, 2009 13:14:50 GMT
It is a great shame the Tull website is not more dynamic and exciting. Personally I can't stand the new look. It doesn't even display right. Why he continues to employ David Coursey to run the site is beyond me. The website needs some energy about it. It needs to celebrate Tull's wonderful past with unreleased photos, interviews, music (perhaps some of those works in progress demo's) and so on. As I mentioned before, the website could be making $$$. Let's see: what would you guys pay to download a new song should Ian put one up today? Reckon you've hit the nail on the head Mix. At the very least any money earned from sales of new music from IA/Tull whether in CD or download form, could go towards the various charities sponsored by the band in previous years. I think the critical word you've used is "energy" - give the web site some vigour and make it a "must see" site for fans.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 18, 2009 13:34:40 GMT
HaHa .You guys are the best! Wit and humour (notice the British spelling from this Bronx homeboy?) You'll be drinking tea from a china tea cup very soon, with your little finger raised, and eating cucumber sandwiches watching cricket on the village green
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