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Post by samatcn on Mar 15, 2023 16:56:55 GMT
I've often wondered what it must be like to have come to Tull quite late in the day ,and if the decline in the music and performances would seem as drastic as it does to those of us that can remember the absolute peak? My first Tull album was "Brick", my first concert was "Warchild" and since then the soundtrack to my life were always fabulous albums and tours to match which I thought (and still think) were far better than anything else out there. Impossible then for an ageing IA to match that period, nor do I expect him to. Its great to still have him around, and yes he has every right to use the name, but its a brand that weighs heavily. Ill always buy a new album and find something on it to enjoy. But you must allow us old guys to get misty eyed about what was a time of magic. We see the name "Jethro Tull" and the bar sets itself impossibly high you see? Yeah I mean that’s some difference in perspective right there, I can hardly imagine seeing them live then… seen Living with the past and the Rock opera, myself That said, maybe the difference isn’t so great when it comes to the albums. I started out with the classics, like any sensible person. Dipped my toe in the 80s and 90s, must confess I found most of it direly cheezy at the time. It wasn’t until much later that I got heavy into the less known stuff and started to enjoy much of it. Maybe that’s also why I don’t mind the change back to the Tull name. The seal-of-quality-and-legend aspect is already diluted for me, and I would rather listen to TAAB2, HE or TZG before something like Catfish Rising or Dot Com any day. When it comes to the throat… I like Tullabye mainly find it endearing at this point. If Ian could manage to write a really solid album, it would be possible to make it a feature, not a bug. Sort of like the final Johnny Cash albums, as someone pointed out here a while ago. But I also agree with Adospencer that IA is likely kidding himself about the smoke machines… chain smoking plus overwork would surely have been major cause. I think the polyp story is true - as far as I remember he had to get surgery, and he was missing in action for almost three years.
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 15, 2023 20:40:27 GMT
Strongly agree that cigarettes and workaholism were probably greater factors than smoke machines.
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Post by JTull 007 on Mar 16, 2023 1:22:47 GMT
This new album is by "JETHRO TULL" LINK
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Post by rredmond on Mar 16, 2023 15:00:45 GMT
... for many years he was never without a cigarette (later a pipe), and that cant have helped. I remember an interview with Martin that talked about this as well. Does Ian still smoke?
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Post by theothertull on Mar 16, 2023 15:04:01 GMT
I've often wondered what it must be like to have come to Tull quite late in the day ,and if the decline in the music and performances would seem as drastic as it does to those of us that can remember the absolute peak? My first Tull album was "Brick", my first concert was "Warchild" and since then the soundtrack to my life were always fabulous albums and tours to match which I thought (and still think) were far better than anything else out there. Impossible then for an ageing IA to match that period, nor do I expect him to. Its great to still have him around, and yes he has every right to use the name, but its a brand that weighs heavily. Ill always buy a new album and find something on it to enjoy. But you must allow us old guys to get misty eyed about what was a time of magic. We see the name "Jethro Tull" and the bar sets itself impossibly high you see? Yeah I mean that’s some difference in perspective right there, I can hardly imagine seeing them live then… seen Living with the past and the Rock opera, myself That said, maybe the difference isn’t so great when it comes to the albums. I started out with the classics, like any sensible person. Dipped my toe in the 80s and 90s, must confess I found most of it direly cheezy at the time. It wasn’t until much later that I got heavy into the less known stuff and started to enjoy much of it. Maybe that’s also why I don’t mind the change back to the Tull name. The seal-of-quality-and-legend aspect is already diluted for me, and I would rather listen to TAAB2, HE or TZG before something like Catfish Rising or Dot Com any day. When it comes to the throat… I like Tullabye mainly find it endearing at this point. If Ian could manage to write a really solid album, it would be possible to make it a feature, not a bug. Sort of like the final Johnny Cash albums, as someone pointed out here a while ago. But I also agree with Adospencer that IA is likely kidding himself about the smoke machines… chain smoking plus overwork would surely have been major cause. I think the polyp story is true - as far as I remember he had to get surgery, and he was missing in action for almost three years. Regardless of the cause, the problem is that Tull doesn't have a singer, and it is limiting the whole band and music composed. Ian needs give up on being a lead vocalist, and get someone else to do it, like Ryan, (hopefully better) but permanent; perhaps the new guitar guy can start sharing the load more. Others do it, Zappa gave up most of the vocals. Dave Gilmore, Neil Young, and other older folk have back up singers, they could carry the load for most of the night vocally, and and Ian can focus on the music. It would allow him to present the "old" material properly, and give him greater range when he writes. For a band that have two keyboard players at the same time, they could afford to have 2 or 3 more capable singers on stage, breathing new life into the band. It's a question of ego, Tull could have remained more relevant and followed if they had a singer post Under Wraps.
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Post by tull4ever on Mar 16, 2023 19:59:58 GMT
Looking forward to this release,im hoping its more like Homo Erraticus which i think is the best release since 2012. Zealot gene bit of a let down tbh,some good songs but too many fillers imo.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 17, 2023 9:52:02 GMT
"Ian needs to give up being lead vocalist."
Agree.
I love that the Tull magic is still around, thanks to Ian, and I loved being around at the start to witness it at its finest. However, had he continued to write and produce - and use the Tull name but with a different vocalist, the output would have been better. You can't help but think that he's also limited the songs to his vocal capacity.
Plenty of bands have changed vocalists - Uriah Heep, off the top of my head. Cue great vocals; flute-playing, and collaboration:)
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 17, 2023 9:53:43 GMT
And now I am dreaming about a concert scenography with a ship and I.A. singing while holding the wheel and lights flashing syncronized with lightings in the video... And some machinery sprying droplets of water over the people in the first rows syncronized with the music! 🤪 Ill have some of whatever you are on please A large dose of Tull imagery and Magic
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 17, 2023 9:59:35 GMT
There are fanatics here Boring It's often reared its head that you are either a die-hard fanatic or a troll if you dislike anything. That's a tall order for a fan of a band that has been around since the Middle Ages!
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 17, 2023 19:52:04 GMT
THE middle ages or ours?
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 17, 2023 19:56:16 GMT
Both - I think! Are we middle-aged or just old? Sorry, Americans banned that word.
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Post by samatcn on Mar 18, 2023 14:50:54 GMT
Yeah, we’ll agree to disagree HARD chaps! Like, one can ponder counterfactuals into infinity - backup singers, new lead singers at the tail end of the band’s output, why not add a couple of dancers, and who knows how relevant the band would have remained if Ian had only embraced the dubstep influence?
In all seriousness, I don’t see it. Tull has always gone through a bunch of less than flattering changes and styles that one has had to get used to. (Case in point, the synthpop era which I like in spite of its datedness; the entire 90s production style which still sounds cheezy as all hell in my ears.) I see this final era as just another weird wrinkle in the story, the fact that we have an old man singing without a singing voice just another eccentricity in a band I love for its eccentricity. It turns into something where I sort of smile and shake my head at it rather than getting annoyed at it. Edit to add: it is also not necessarily a bad thing to have limitations in your art, so I reject the ”it would have been better” outright.
Are we off topic yet? 🙃 Regarding RökFlöte, one positive in my book seems to be the guitar. Seems Joe can get a bit overly shreddy live, and I’m sure there’ll be a couple of cringeworthy moments on the record. But I actually really like his tone and the way it sits in the rest if the sound. Especially on Gap. Seems like Joe is given a bit more space in the sound, in contrast to poor Florian who was always stuck way off to one side on his lonesome. I’ve never agreed with Ian’s dedication to exactly-as-live procudtion in this era. The electric guitar needs more space, and there was always double tracking on the old albums. It wasn’t a problem live… Martin would simply play the rythm part, interrupt it whenever he got to a lick, play that and then resume the rythm part. No reason to limit the guitar so much.
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Post by adospencer1 on Mar 18, 2023 23:23:23 GMT
Yeah, we’ll agree to disagree HARD chaps! Like, one can ponder counterfactuals into infinity - backup singers, new lead singers at the tail end of the band’s output, why not add a couple of dancers, and who knows how relevant the band would have remained if Ian had only embraced the dubstep influence? In all seriousness, I don’t see it. Tull has always gone through a bunch of less than flattering changes and styles that one has had to get used to. (Case in point, the synthpop era which I like in spite of its datedness; the entire 90s production style which still sounds cheezy as all hell in my ears.) I see this final era as just another weird wrinkle in the story, the fact that we have an old man singing without a singing voice just another eccentricity in a band I love for its eccentricity. It turns into something where I sort of smile and shake my head at it rather than getting annoyed at it. Edit to add: it is also not necessarily a bad thing to have limitations in your art, so I reject the ”it would have been better” outright. Are we off topic yet? 🙃 Regarding RökFlöte, one positive in my book seems to be the guitar. Seems Joe can get a bit overly shreddy live, and I’m sure there’ll be a couple of cringeworthy moments on the record. But I actually really like his tone and the way it sits in the rest if the sound. Especially on Gap. Seems like Joe is given a bit more space in the sound, in contrast to poor Florian who was always stuck way off to one side on his lonesome. I’ve never agreed with Ian’s dedication to exactly-as-live procudtion in this era. The electric guitar needs more space, and there was always double tracking on the old albums. It wasn’t a problem live… Martin would simply play the rythm part, interrupt it whenever he got to a lick, play that and then resume the rythm part. No reason to limit the guitar so much. Have to (respectfully) disagree with most of your points here, as you admitted earlier you weren't around to fully appreciate the quite wonderful concerts and the classic albums seem lost on you. For many years (in my opinion ) Tull were without equal both live and on record. Nothing cheesy, weird or limited about it. So developments are unfortunately not "another weird wrinkle" in the story but an inevitable decline which some of us are quite sad about. (not intended as a lecture or criticism of your views, you have your perspective too, but as irritating old guys always say, "you had to be there") The inclusion of Joe, I see as a real positive. The guy can sing and play, and importantly has a folk Rock quirky style, very much like Barre. Florian I found hard to take being a mostly generic shredder, his over use of string bending all but ruined songs like "Budapest" which is why I found the loss of Martin so difficult.
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Post by samatcn on Mar 19, 2023 0:11:43 GMT
Yeah it’s clear we’re not gonna see eye to eye on this one! But I think you’re right, I guess I saw the band more like an historical phenomenon from the outset, so it’s an entirely different way of experiencing something and I don’t always think about that.
Just to clarify, though, the classic albums and performances (videos thereof) are not at all lost on me. Trust me, I love the same classics you do, I’m not contradicting that the golden age was a long time ago. I’m just trying to say that there are many different eras where Tull, including Ian’s voice, have really sounded very different. Many of those peroids were shat upon (if you excuse) by fans when they were current but have later been somewhat redeemed. There is really no time to take that route since this is the last era, so I’m committed to enjoying it as much as possible while it’s ongoing.
Anyway, gonna try to stop rambling now.
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Post by JTull 007 on Mar 22, 2023 23:29:48 GMT
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Post by rredmond on Mar 23, 2023 18:01:55 GMT
Jakers! You don't half-ass anything, eh Jim?
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Post by JTull 007 on Mar 26, 2023 18:10:59 GMT
Riccardo Cortecci "Buonissima recensione!!!" Very good review!!!
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 27, 2023 0:47:12 GMT
South Americans are SO ENLIGHTENED. Tull sells out huge venues. There was a bar in Argentina that, till deep into the nineties, ONLY PLAYED TULL.
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Post by samatcn on Mar 27, 2023 15:28:36 GMT
It’s so nice when reviews start coming in. Even if they’re not usually that positive!
I feel like the third preview song might be out this week, right?
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 31, 2023 1:48:58 GMT
We got three before ZG release date !
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Post by tullabye on Mar 31, 2023 4:10:44 GMT
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Post by bunkerfan on Mar 31, 2023 15:03:46 GMT
Great find tullabye Track listing 1. Voluspo 3:42 2. Ginnungagap 3:48 3. Allfather 2:44 4. The Feathered Consort 3:37 5. Hammer On Hammer 3:09 6. Wolf Unchained 4:58 7. The Perfect One 3:49 8. Trickster (And The Mistletoe) 3:00 9. Cornucopia 3:51 10. The Navigators 4:26 11. Guardian's Watch 3:28 12. Ithavoll 3:53/font]
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 31, 2023 19:47:18 GMT
I guess the way to overlook lack of epic length track will be to consume album as a whole
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 1, 2023 0:52:35 GMT
I guess the way to overlook lack of epic length track will be to consume album as a whole On 17th April, Jethro Tull’s 23rd studio album ‘RökFlöte’ will be premiered in Dolby Atmos immersive audio at an exclusive event taking place at Dolby’s studios in central London. Ian Anderson will be in attendance for a Q&A alongside Bruce Soord (The Pineapple Thief) who undertook the Dolby Atmos mixes. There are two ways to be in with a chance of winning a pair of tickets to this special event: 1. Pre-order the album from the Official Jethro Tull store at Burning Shed, on any format, and be entered into a raffle (all existing orders of RökFlöte will be included too). T’s & C’s apply, more details here: burningshed.com/store/jethrotull/ 2. Head over to Prog Magazine’s website and enter their competition to win tickets here: www.loudersound.com/prog
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Post by samatcn on Apr 1, 2023 13:42:15 GMT
Yeah I miss the longer songs. Seems like a shame, but it all depends on the songs of course.
I think that contest is only for britain, sadly.
Well, I was wrong but I feel even better about a third ”single” this upcoming week!
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 2, 2023 1:42:26 GMT
Bruce Soord Hi everybody. I'm going to be back at Dolby in London on 17th April for the Atmos playback of the new Jethro Tull album. They have a fantastic setup, it's going to sound incredible (even if I do say so myself!). I'll be there with Ian for a Q&A. There is a chance to win tickets over at Burning Shed & Prog. Maybe I'll see some of you there
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Post by tullabye on Apr 2, 2023 3:42:45 GMT
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Post by JTull 007 on Apr 3, 2023 0:50:15 GMT
Great reviews indeed !!!! Ian Anderson – concert and alto flutes, flute d’amour, Irish whistle and vocals David Goodier – bass John O’Hara – piano, keyboards, Hammond organ Scott Hammond – drums Joe Parrish-James – electric and acoustic guitars, mandolin Guest: Unnur Birna – vocals, violinThis is a very enjoyable album from Jethro Tull, which harks back to older albums in style and feel, but doesn’t over dwell on them nor attempt to copy them. There is a definite primal air created by the music and the intonations of Unnur Birna, but there is a combination of the dramatic and the impish as the songs require. Ian’s song-writings skills have not diminished with the years, and being surrounded with high quality musicians is always going to be an incredible bonus. The whole package has the feel of quality. Ian playfully comments;
“The title of this offering went through a little change or two along the way. I started with the idea of a predominantly instrumental album for rock flute – as in rock music. When the subject material of the album presented itself, I was drawn to the term Ragnarök from Norse mythology – their version of apocalyptic end times or Biblical Armageddon. The ‘final showdown’ scenario is ubiquitous and inherent in Hinduism, Christianity and Islam, for example. Ragnarök translates as ‘destiny of the Gods’, the rök part meaning destiny, course, direction. With umlaut firmly in place, courtesy of the Germanic origins of Old Norse, Flute became Flöte in keeping with the spelling. With me so far? I just can’t miss the glorious opportunity for a good and legitimate umlaut.”
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Post by samatcn on Apr 3, 2023 14:39:38 GMT
I knew it !! (Because I kept guessing the same thing)
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