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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 3, 2017 23:35:05 GMT
Thanks for your reply atomicsynth. I've heard about this over the years and toying with my post to you about keeping the musician and the "politics of the band" a separate issue, I do see how it could be an interesting snippet ( if any part of it is true) of Tull history. The band changes and the personnel are a huge part of the Tull story. Does anyone know for certain that that was the reason that Barlow left the band? Why was it assumed that Anderson should have paid for Glascock's funeral? I have to add too and from personal experience, emotions do run very high in bands both musically and emotionally. Hi NonRabbit, The other Tull proboards forum has the Q&A with Barrie Barlow which contains the direct quotes I pasted. He was obviously very upset that Glascock wasn't paid the same as him as he never knew this until he was trying to organize his friend's funeral and found the salary disparity out. He never directly said in that Q&A he expected Ian to pay the expenses. He just said he quit the band over it all. One then draws whatever inference they will, I suppose. And yes, bands are rarely ever the big happy family.
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 3, 2017 23:38:12 GMT
There is some detailed information about John Evans, David Palmer and Barrie Barlow leaving in the Jethro Tull 40th anniversary video. Is this video streaming anywhere, Steve? Thanks
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Post by Equus on Jan 4, 2017 10:04:17 GMT
Ian ran from me last time. I probably shouldn't have been standing outside his living room window in nothing but my socks. That's where the inspiration for "Wicked Windows" came from. I joke, I joke! I'm a bit of a joker myself... I'm probably not always funny though, but we try to have a little fun once in a while... but damn it must be scary if somebody really did that... Wasn't there something about that Ian has a lot of guns in his house? Does anybody recall anything about that?
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Post by stevep on Jan 4, 2017 10:17:39 GMT
Regards the gun info, it may have been taken from this Andrew Lincoln interview on Letterman (the bit about Tull is around 4 minutes though the whole interview is quite interesting) www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYC75ir2-ms
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 4, 2017 10:49:52 GMT
Ian ran from me last time. I probably shouldn't have been standing outside his living room window in nothing but my socks. That's where the inspiration for "Wicked Windows" came from. I joke, I joke! I'm a bit of a joker myself... I'm probably not always funny though, but we try to have a little fun once in a while... but damn it must be scary if somebody really did that... Wasn't there something about that Ian has a lot of guns in his house? Does anybody recall anything about that? According to George Tremlett's book "Rock Gold" (published in 1990 by Unwin Hyman), the Andersons owned a firm called Abbot & Anderson Ltd whose principal activity is/was 'dealing in specialised sporting guns and rifles, including antique firearms'.
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Post by rredmond on Jan 4, 2017 14:42:25 GMT
Regards the gun info, it may have been taken from this Andrew Lincoln interview on Letterman (the bit about Tull is around 4 minutes though the whole interview is quite interesting) www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYC75ir2-msThat was awesome! Thanks Steve! --Ron-- PS: I skipped to the Jethro Tull start around 3 minutes, and stopped after at around 5 or so minutes... was that wrong?
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Post by stevep on Jan 4, 2017 15:34:58 GMT
No, not at all. I found the rest of the interview worth a look though too. Andrew Lincoln talks about his real name (quite a strange one) and it origins, etc.
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Post by stevep on Jan 4, 2017 15:41:25 GMT
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Post by stevep on Jan 4, 2017 16:04:52 GMT
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Post by bunkerfan on Jan 4, 2017 20:24:39 GMT
Great find Steve, and you're right, it is a very interesting article from one of Tull's best drummers. These are the saddest two paragraphs in the interview and you can see why Barrie is so unhappy about John's treatment and I must say I don't blame him. “Then, when Tull were in Los Angeles, just two gigs from the end of a tour, I phoned John who was back in the UK to see if, now he was feeling better, he'd like to come out and do some work with me and David Allen, a singer/songwriter who'd also been in Carmen. John was really keen and booked his flight to LA that same afternoon.”
“I was delighted and headed down to San Diego to do that night's Tull concert. As we came on stage it was suddenly announced that John Glascock had died just hours before from a massive heart attack. I just crumbled. Couldn't believe it. Back in LA many of John's friends gathered in my hotel room so we could mourn together. Tull had to do the final show of the tour the next night, and I just wept through it. Subsequently I learned John had been less well paid than the rest of us which seemed very unfair. It made me angry. And then I knew I just didn't want to be in it any more. I dropped out, and soon Ian Anderson was the only remaining original member of Jethro Tull.” And the happiest paragraph..... “One of the things I'm happiest about is that I remain good friends with Ian 'Elvo' Anderson and with John Evan and the others from the Jethro Tull days. After a gap of a decade or so, one day I listened to the remastered version of ‘A Passion Play’. It was bloody fantastic. I wrote immediately to Ian to say I'd just listened to it with new ears and loved it...and great writing, Elvo. I'm very proud to have been a part of all that.” Love the photo's
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 4, 2017 20:48:56 GMT
No, not at all. I found the rest of the interview worth a look though too. Andrew Lincoln talks about his real name (quite a strange one) and it origins, etc. Clutterbuck - Flemish meaning people who live by a noisy brook It does sound so Dickensian.
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Post by stevep on Jan 4, 2017 21:37:15 GMT
Your origin of the name sounds much nicer than Andrew Lincolns explanation.
I was pleased to read the happy paragraph Bunkerfan. I agree with BB also that "A Passion Play" was a fantastic album (one of their best in my opinion). It seems that Barlow has made a good life with his studio and home on the Thames and he seems to have worked with a number of famous musicians. Wonder if he ever helped them with the drumming...
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 4, 2017 21:48:12 GMT
Really enjoyed reading that. Thanks for posting.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 4, 2017 21:56:35 GMT
And the happiest paragraph..... and the funniest? "A few years passed by. Then, out of the blue one Saturday afternoon when I'm at home watching football on TV, John Evan turns up in his MG sports car"
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 4, 2017 23:30:24 GMT
Thanks Steve, I'm more of the notion that it'll either show up on youtube or it won't. :>)
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 4, 2017 23:35:16 GMT
Great article and photos!
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 4, 2017 23:52:13 GMT
I actually met John Glascock in Nashville as my wife and I went to the show early, Snuck into an open door, watched sound check and found John backstage on a pay phone. It sounded like he was party planning for later. He was a very cheerful guy and had a big smile when he assured me that the a-cappella intro to Songs From The Wood would be totally live sung by them later on stage.... (right)....
Little soundcheck recounting. The band's onstage each playing and tuning to themselves. Ian Anderson walks out with his acoustic, they're still noodling. Ian turns and glares at them. It's suddenly immediate dead silence. He then played and sang one verse of "Wond'ring Aloud and immediately left.
We said what the hell, walked up onstage and talked to Martin Barre. I mentioned a funny thing I'd heard him say when ordering lunch in Baltimore at the Holiday Inn ("poached eggs and put em on a plate") and he looked at me disdainly and sneered "Poached eggs??? You sure it wasn't Eric Clapton?" then turned and ignored us totally. So we walked off and clearly uttered "douche bag" within his earshot.
Great show though.
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Post by rredmond on Jan 5, 2017 13:24:38 GMT
Okay, alright now! If y'all are going to start talking smack about MLB I'm going to have to put my foot down! I do thoroughly enjoy the music of both Martin and Ian, but one does hope that they have more good days than off-days as regards to their personalities. --Ron--
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Post by nonrabbit on Jan 5, 2017 15:55:38 GMT
...We said what the hell, walked up onstage and talked to Martin Barre. I mentioned a funny thing I'd heard him say when ordering lunch in Baltimore at the Holiday Inn ("poached eggs and put em on a plate") and he looked at me disdainly and sneered "Poached eggs??? You sure it wasn't Eric Clapton?" then turned and ignored us totally. So we walked off and clearly uttered "douche bag" within his earshot. Great show though. Haha one of the most if not the most surreal post I've ever read here ( and there's been a fair few) Martin Barre Holiday Inn Baltimore Poached Eggs Eric Clapton douche bag
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 17:07:54 GMT
Okay, alright now! If y'all are going to start talking smack about MLB I'm going to have to put my foot down! I do thoroughly enjoy the music of both Martin and Ian, but one does hope that they have more good days than off-days as regards to their personalities. --Ron-- There is only one Tull, Ian Anderson. Really! STOP THE MADNESS! One Tull for all! & A Happy New Year, too.
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Post by rredmond on Jan 5, 2017 21:49:50 GMT
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Post by stevep on Jan 5, 2017 21:52:05 GMT
Barrie Barlow mentions that he lost around 25 pounds in weight during Tull tours. If you listen to his drumming from this 1975 show, it is easy to see why. The best part to listen to is at the end of Locomotive Breath (the English General part) from 1:12 onwards The drumming is just incredible and you imagine his arms must have been knackered after it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNq7QK3fS-o
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Post by Equus on Jan 5, 2017 22:01:54 GMT
Okay, alright now! If y'all are going to start talking smack about MLB I'm going to have to put my foot down! I do thoroughly enjoy the music of both Martin and Ian, but one does hope that they have more good days than off-days as regards to their personalities. --Ron-- Martin is the worst guitarist ever... and I mean that very sincerely... No, not really, but I have been wanting to say something like that for a long, long time now... I mean... Some people talk about Martin as if he was a God... and they get very mean-spirited and furiously hateful if anybody disagrees with them... Luckily we haven't had that many fanatic Martin worshippers on The Jethro Tull Forum for a long time... He's still my favorite guitarist, by the way...
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Post by stevep on Jan 5, 2017 22:10:03 GMT
I have been fortunate enough to meet Martin Barre and talk to him for some time. I thought he seemed a very decent bloke and very down to earth. I guess that we all have our bad minutes / hours/ days....
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 5, 2017 22:12:40 GMT
Haha one of the most if not the most surreal post I've ever read here ( and there's been a fair few) Martin Barre Holiday Inn Baltimore Poached Eggs Eric Clapton douche bag
Hi Nonrabbit, So here's the deal. If you or anyone from here meets Martin Barre, ask him about poached eggs at the Holiday Inn in Baltimore on the 73 tour and that Atomicsynth knows for a fact it was him and not Eric Clapton and maybe he'll flip out at you You could also ask if the put em on a plate thing is rock star pent up saturation or something. PS. Ian said the on the plate thing too but I think his was a club sandwich. I told Ian I didn't understand his Thick as a Brick lyrics at all (very politely (sir and everything) and he leaned in an told me not to take him seriously cause it's all bull$h1t!!! (Waiting to see if the forum auto censors me).
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 5, 2017 22:25:42 GMT
Martin is the worst guitarist ever... and I mean that very sincerely... No, not really, but I have been wanting to say something like that for a long, long time now... I mean... Some people talk about Martin as if he was a God... and they get very mean-spirited and furiously hateful if anybody disagrees with them... Luckily we haven't had that many fanatic Martin worshippers on The Jethro Tull Forum for a long time... He's still my favorite guitarist, by the way... (This is your quote, right?) (The nested quote chain's a bit iffy sometimes on cell phone for me). I love the stuff Martin Barre comes up with, such as the whole middle of "Minstrel In The Gallery". I also think his guitar tone in the 70's live was perfect. I also think he is able to blend really well on record. But I did not buy tickets for his show in Annapolis at Ram's Head tavern (capacity under 200). I wonder though if he'd be up for doing breakfast *roffle*
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Post by rredmond on Jan 5, 2017 22:58:14 GMT
... Some people talk about Martin as if he was a God... and they get very mean-spirited and furiously hateful if anybody disagrees with them... Luckily we haven't had that many fanatic Martin worshippers on The Jethro Tull Forum for a long time... He's still my favorite guitarist, by the way... I like Martin's music very much as well! And I'll freely admit my preferred "Jethro Tull" is Ian and Martin. But (and I'm sure I've said this in the past) I don't hate on an anyone for doing their own thing. The Tull breakup just means there's more Tull-ish music out there for me to enjoy! It's all good in the 'hood! --Ron--
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Post by Equus on Jan 5, 2017 23:21:50 GMT
... Some people talk about Martin as if he was a God... and they get very mean-spirited and furiously hateful if anybody disagrees with them... Luckily we haven't had that many fanatic Martin worshippers on The Jethro Tull Forum for a long time... He's still my favorite guitarist, by the way... I like Martin's music very much as well! And I'll freely admit my preferred "Jethro Tull" is Ian and Martin. But (and I'm sure I've said this in the past) I don't hate on an anyone for doing their own thing. The Tull breakup just means there's more Tull-ish music out there for me to enjoy! It's all good in the 'hood! --Ron-- Yes... We got more music... They were flogging a dead horse anyway... Now they are both alive and kicking! I believe that it's all for the best...
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Post by atomicsynth on Jan 6, 2017 3:47:05 GMT
... Some people talk about Martin as if he was a God... and they get very mean-spirited and furiously hateful if anybody disagrees with them... Luckily we haven't had that many fanatic Martin worshippers on The Jethro Tull Forum for a long time... He's still my favorite guitarist, by the way... I like Martin's music very much as well! And I'll freely admit my preferred "Jethro Tull" is Ian and Martin. But (and I'm sure I've said this in the past) I don't hate on an anyone for doing their own thing. The Tull breakup just means there's more Tull-ish music out there for me to enjoy! It's all good in the 'hood! --Ron-- Yes, my Tull period stopped for me in the 90's but I'm glad both of them are playing yet. My personal opinion about what Martin Barre is doing, based solely on youtube, is I'd much prefer a keyboardist with him rather than a second guitarist. Granted, I wasn't there to see it live. In particular I wish he'd taken Andrew Giddings out as Giddings is an amazing keyboardist who (my opinion, sorry) absolutely smokes O'Hara. Giddings' (to cite one example and there are so many) passages just prior to and on the first verse of Living In The Past from the 25th anniversary box set is brilliant, anticipating the chorus as a prequel and making it work perfectly against the lead in. His sound palette is simply perfect. Big mistake replacing him and I thought it the whole way through TABB 2 and the Best Of shows.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 6, 2017 8:45:41 GMT
I like Martin's music very much as well! And I'll freely admit my preferred "Jethro Tull" is Ian and Martin. But (and I'm sure I've said this in the past) I don't hate on an anyone for doing their own thing. The Tull breakup just means there's more Tull-ish music out there for me to enjoy! It's all good in the 'hood! --Ron-- Yes, my Tull period stopped for me in the 90's but I'm glad both of them are playing yet. My personal opinion about what Martin Barre is doing, based solely on youtube, is I'd much prefer a keyboardist with him rather than a second guitarist. Granted, I wasn't there to see it live. In particular I wish he'd taken Andrew Giddings out as Giddings is an amazing keyboardist who (my opinion, sorry) absolutely smokes O'Hara. Giddings' (to cite one example and there are so many) passages just prior to and on the first verse of Living In The Past from the 25th anniversary box set is brilliant, anticipating the chorus as a prequel and making it work perfectly against the lead in. His sound palette is simply perfect. Big mistake replacing him and I thought it the whole way through TABB 2 and the Best Of shows. I've said for a long time that Martin needed a "Giddings" type keyboard player in his band, if not the real thing. However I now wonder that if he did then the Tull songs that his band played might sound just a bit too much like the originals which is why he's held off hiring a keyboard player ? I suppose it's open to speculation, like a lot of things, but it's an interesting thought.
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